Confirmed with Link: Alexis Lafreniere Signs Extension [7Y/7.45M AAV]

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This is INSANE!!! With his performance this year Lafreniere just proved that you don’t need PP1 to develop. This successful PP1 has been in place essentially for the last 4 seasons and only improved further two years ago when Trocheck took over from Strome. IT WORKS plain and simple. So what is the reason at this point to argue for changing it (other than on a personal level you don’t like Zibanejad and like Alexi more)????
Who said NEED? PP time would help his development. He’d become better in a shorter period of time. Not all rates of development are equal. How is this a difficult concept? We get it, the power play is somehow a sacred cow. Don’t experiment, regardless of potential benefits because at the moment we don’t NEED to. Smart teams look for improvements BEFORE they are absolutely necessary. If we had alternate familiar PP1 options last playoffs we may have well beaten NJ. But hey, let’s not learn at all from history so we get another early exit…
 
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Who said NEED? PP time would help his development. He’d become better in a shorter period of time. Not all rates of development are equal. How is this a difficult concept? We get it, the power play is somehow a sacred cow. Don’t experiment, regardless of potential benefits because at the moment we don’t NEED to. Smart teams look for improvements BEFORE they are absolutely necessary. If we had alternate familiar PP1 options last playoffs we may have well beaten NJ. But hey, let’s not learn at all from history so we get another early exit…
yup...pretty much.

Remember when Strome was a sacred cow too? We were so used to 50 point centers people legitimately thought he was a first liner.
 
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Not in the traditional sense.

But because he doesn't play any special teams time he had extended times just sitting there twittling his thumbs while guys like Bonino were out there.

It's infuriating that our 1 overall, despite having a great season, still gets the "earn it rook" treatment by this organization. And games like this where he barely played the first 2 periods can stop a player's momentum.

Notice how the games prior he was a shooting machine and on the score sheet. But last night because of the awful mismanagement of ice time (yea we won in spite of it), he not only didn't get any points but had like 1 shot on goal.

This is a player that needs to be involved and on the ice to progress. He's not the Vesey type that can sit prolonged periods and then hop on and mindlessly run around doing shit. Laf needs the reps. Laviolette needs to do a better job of getting him on the ice during the PP. You can't keep running that one unit out there for back to back 2 minute PP shifts and sit this kid for another several shifts waiting for his rotation while Bonino and Goodrow run out there the next 2 minutes after a PP. It's stupid.

If he's not going to get on the PP. Then double shift him after the PP expires so he can get the reps and get O zone time.

The guy played 17:28 last night and was second on the team to Panarin in 5v5 minutes and you're arguing that he didn't get enough ice time?

And yet nobody here even brought up Tampa but you. Very odd to have an argument with yourself?

I guess here is where I let you know that Nikita Kucherov and Steven Stamkos (mentioned in a post at 2:58 PM yesterday) are both members of the Tampa Bay Lightning. It's understandable if you didn't know that. Stamkos has only been there for 16 years.
 
Not in the traditional sense.

But because he doesn't play any special teams time he had extended times just sitting there twittling his thumbs while guys like Bonino were out there.

It's infuriating that our 1 overall, despite having a great season, still gets the "earn it rook" treatment by this organization. And games like this where he barely played the first 2 periods can stop a player's momentum.

Notice how the games prior he was a shooting machine and on the score sheet. But last night because of the awful mismanagement of ice time (yea we won in spite of it), he not only didn't get any points but had like 1 shot on goal.

This is a player that needs to be involved and on the ice to progress. He's not the Vesey type that can sit prolonged periods and then hop on and mindlessly run around doing shit. Laf needs the reps. Laviolette needs to do a better job of getting him on the ice during the PP. You can't keep running that one unit out there for back to back 2 minute PP shifts and sit this kid for another several shifts waiting for his rotation while Bonino and Goodrow run out there the next 2 minutes after a PP. It's stupid.

If he's not going to get on the PP. Then double shift him after the PP expires so he can get the reps and get O zone time.

What's real crazy is that Kakko gets no PK time.

The dude is tailor made to be a PKer.

And then Lavi doesn't even trust him to close out a game over Suck Wheeler.
 
Who said NEED? PP time would help his development. He’d become better in a shorter period of time. Not all rates of development are equal. How is this a difficult concept? We get it, the power play is somehow a sacred cow. Don’t experiment, regardless of potential benefits because at the moment we don’t NEED to. Smart teams look for improvements BEFORE they are absolutely necessary. If we had alternate familiar PP1 options last playoffs we may have well beaten NJ. But hey, let’s not learn at all from history so we get another early exit…
If you think the reason we lost to NJD last year was PP I don't know what to tell you.

By the way do you also support separate Lafreniere from Panarin for just in case?
 
This is INSANE!!! With his performance this year Lafreniere just proved that you don’t need PP1 to develop. This successful PP1 has been in place essentially for the last 4 seasons and only improved further two years ago when Trocheck took over from Strome. IT WORKS plain and simple. So what is the reason at this point to argue for changing it (other than on a personal level you don’t like Zibanejad and like Alexi more)????

My personal feelings for Zibanejad are irrelevant, and are not part of wanting to try something else. Other than a two week stretch, he's produced very little this year and is not driving play. He's a potential goal 40 goal scorer currently pacing for 25, and that's with 6 of the 14 on the PP. That is largely a goal scoring spot on the PP and I want to put our best goal scorer in it, where he has been successful before.

Because everyone who is treating PP1 like some sacred cow is assuming Laf can sub in if "someone" gets hurt. And where's the logic he doesn't need PP1 to develop? PP is a different style of play that he has little experience with it, unless you consider that 90% of his PP experience before this year was either pretending to be Kreider, which isn't the best use of his skillset, or playing on a semblance of the kid line that was largely an afterthought with vaunted puck distributor Jacob Trouba at the point blasting and dumping away like late career Kevin Hatcher at the point. Is it not unreasonable to expect that aspect of his game to get better with better linemates and more usage, just as his even strength play has?

Panarin is not better at hitting the net from that spot than Mika is. I already showed those numbers.

Panarin played almost exclusively on the left side in 19-20, 20-21, He hit the net with 86/184 5v4 shots (46.7%).

Mika has played on the left side almost exclusively in 22-23 and 23-24. He has hit the net with 132/239 5v4 shots (55.2%).

In their careers across a variety of roles Panarin has hit the net with 48.4% of his 5v4 shots and Mika 53.9%. There is zero evidence to say that Panarin is better at hitting the net.

If your hope is that Lafreniere is going to be put Kucherov levels of production you are almost surely going to be disappointed.

Yes, all of the PP1 sacred cow apologists always make sure to get the 22-23 numbers in there where Mika started the year on fire in that spot until the league adapted. Panarin has also adapted his playstyle this year and has been better at getting pucks through traffic on the PP - it stands to reason that would continue on either side of the ice.

Panarin also scored 7 of his 9 PPG's there in a month and a half last year, after the Kane trade pushed him back onto the left side. The mistake there wasn't the setup, but handing the RW half wall spot to Patrick Kane on a bad hip when he clearly couldn't punch turn or stop and change direction effectively which is key in that spot for anyone on their offwing. The handful of times Tarasenko was used in that spot, the powerplay looked awesome (>30%, small sample size, generally). Past results don't always predict future outcomes. Half our roster is testament to that.
 
If you think the reason we lost to NJD last year was PP I don't know what to tell you.

By the way do you also support separate Lafreniere from Panarin for just in case?

The team was made up of a PP and a goalie. The PP going dark was the largest reason for the loss. We already knew we were going to get outplayed 5v5.
 
What's real crazy is that Kakko gets no PK time.

The dude is tailor made to be a PKer.

And then Lavi doesn't even trust him to close out a game over Suck Wheeler.
Agree. That's one of the things I was asking for over the summer. For Laf on PP1 and Kakko on PK1.
 
My personal feelings for Zibanejad are irrelevant, .....



Yes, all of the PP1 sacred cow apologists ....
1. Quite to the contrary. This is called an "agenda" and it's too bad folks are not being called on it as they used to be.

2. It's a funny name you came up with. Witty. Wish it made sense too if PP struggled being in teens or or just north of 20% and us apologists were arguing that it's working. To the contrary, fact is that the Rangers have a well functioning PP so the issue is again the sign of times. What is it called - gaslighting?
 
Laff should start getting some pp time in place of mika. Doesnt have to be a full time thing but it would give the opposition a different look and frankly laff is better
 
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Laff should start getting some pp time in place of mika. Doesnt have to be a full time thing but it would give the opposition a different look and frankly laff is better
One's a righty the other a lefty. Won't work. Team's HAVE to defend Zibs one-timer regardless, they won't have to with Laff. What's the point of switching everything up and f***ing with a top 5 PP in the league to cater to a guy who won't be nearly as effective in that role?
 
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One's a righty the other a lefty. Won't work. Team's HAVE to defend Zibs one-timer regardless, they won't have to with Laff. What's the point of switching everything up and f***ing with a top 5 PP in the league to cater to a guy who won't be nearly as effective in that role?
Mika's 0 PP goals in the last 11 games will be tough to replace. That slapshot is a like a cheat code.
 
Also, you want this guy to play with that guy, or you want this guy with this unit and that. Unless they're forced to during a game, no coaching staff is going to patch guys around without trying it out during practices first.
 
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I would not have Lafreniere on the PK. He needs to be the guy jumping off the bench after a kill. His offensive development is too important because it is trending up massively for the first time as a Ranger.

Eventually he will be someone that can PK, but not right now.

As for having that line be PP1, they get most of their success on interchanging positions. Would they be able to replicate that on the PP? It would be interesting to see.
 
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I don't think Laffy should supplant Zibs but I do think Zibs needs to change his game on the PP.

He needs to be moving a lot more and at least attempt to be more dynamic. IMO his wrist shot is his best goal scoring weapon but be stopped using it. Get to the high slot. He needs to get in position to use his best asset.

Laffy's day will come. If the PP is running at 30% you can't really fault it. Laffy needs to start converting more of his chances at 5v5. IMO until then, there's no reason to think he'd start converting on the PP. It most likely will be more of the same.... 'horrible puck luck/mediocre shot'.
 
Mika's 0 PP goals in the last 11 games will be tough to replace. That slapshot is a like a cheat code.
The threat of it is still something opposing PKs have to account for.

I would not have Lafreniere on the PK. He needs to be the guy jumping off the bench after a kill. His offensive development is too important because it is trending up massively for the first time as a Ranger.

Eventually he will be someone that can PK, but not right now.
I can see the argument, but I think any and all playing time is good for them. They both sit on the bench for PKs and most of PPs. It's hard to get into the flow of the game when there are a lot of penalties.

Kreider didn't start killing penalties until a few years ago. Coincidentally, his goal totals went way up. Maybe it's more correlation than causation, but I feel like that extra time/responsibility helped him.
 
The threat of it is still something opposing PKs have to account for.


I can see the argument, but I think any and all playing time is good for them. They both sit on the bench for PKs and most of PPs. It's hard to get into the flow of the game when there are a lot of penalties.

Kreider didn't start killing penalties until a few years ago. Coincidentally, his goal totals went way up. Maybe it's more correlation than causation, but I feel like that extra time/responsibility helped him.
Wouldn't they account for anyone there too? If Laf (or anyone else) was there they wouldn't be like "Oh it's just Laf, don't worry about covering him).
 
Wouldn't they account for anyone there too? If Laf (or anyone else) was there they wouldn't be like "Oh it's just Laf, don't worry about covering him).
Laf as a lefty isn't shooting one-timers from that spot. They'd have to do it from the left side. Laf also doesn't have a reputation of scoring off one-timers on the PP. Zib isn't hitting with his shot lately, but he has scored a lot of goals that way over the years.

I do agree that Zib should change it up a bit on the PP instead of being a 1 trick pony, but he'll get back into the groove at some point and be scoring with his shot again.
 
Also, you want this guy to play with that guy, or you want this guy with this unit and that. Unless they're forced to during a game, no coaching staff is going to patch guys around without trying it out during practices first.
Gee, that doesn't seem ripe for confirmation bias at all.
 
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