Alexis Lafreniere 0 Points in 7 GP against the Devils

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Oh...Oh my

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Actually it is. Look up some stats. There are 96 1st line players in the NHL. There are 192 top 6 players. Lafreniere finished as the 167th highest scoring forward. That is firmly second line level.

Or to put it another way: There are roughly 384 forwards in the NHL. Lafreniere had more points than 57% of them. If half the forwards are bottom 6 and half are top 6, Laf is in the top half as far as point production is concerned.

But why bother looking at things objectively when it's much easier to look at someone's draft position and just say, 'he sucks.' Is he a bust? Sure. Does he suck? Not as much as over half the rest of the league apparently.

He's 219th in points/60 minutes. So he stayed healthy enough to rack up a couple extra points. Congrats.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Actually it is. Look up some stats. There are 96 1st line players in the NHL. There are 192 top 6 players. Lafreniere finished as the 167th highest scoring forward. That is firmly second line level.

Or to put it another way: There are roughly 384 forwards in the NHL. Lafreniere had more points than 57% of them. If half the forwards are bottom 6 and half are top 6, Laf is in the top half as far as point production is concerned.

But why bother looking at things objectively when it's much easier to look at someone's draft position and just say, 'he sucks.' Is he a bust? Sure. Does he suck? Not as much as over half the rest of the league apparently.

A lot of those 40 pt second liners are there by default. Those teams definitely want better production there. Maybe my definition is different but I think of a 2nd line guy as a firm second line guy, not a middle six tweener

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Actually it is. Look up some stats. There are 96 1st line players in the NHL. There are 192 top 6 players. Lafreniere finished as the 167th highest scoring forward. That is firmly second line level.

Or to put it another way: There are roughly 384 forwards in the NHL. Lafreniere had more points than 57% of them. If half the forwards are bottom 6 and half are top 6, Laf is in the top half as far as point production is concerned.

But why bother looking at things objectively when it's much easier to look at someone's draft position and just say, 'he sucks.' Is he a bust? Sure. Does he suck? Not as much as over half the rest of the league apparently.

You typed all that just for it to be cut down in the third sentence... good grief lmfao

No, there are not 96 first line players in the NHL. No, there are not 192 top-6 players. This is a sport not a math test, played by humans not robots.

And no, 39 points is not 2nd line production and wasnt even 15 years ago in the dead-puck era.

 

[Grifter3511]

He's 219th in points/60 minutes. So he stayed healthy enough to rack up a couple extra points. Congrats.

So you're saying he's actually I higher end 3rd liner? I'll take that on my team. Especially if I know he can stay healthy and actually be in the lineup.

You typed all that just for it to be cut down in the third sentence... good grief lmfao

No, there are not 96 first line players in the NHL. No, there are not 192 top-6 players. This is a sport not a math test, played by humans not robots.

And no, 39 points is not 2nd line production and wasnt even 15 years ago in the dead-puck era.

So how many are there then? Do 32 teams have top lines made up of defensemen?

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Laf's PPG this season was 9th best for forwards on the Rangers.

Not even "producing like a top 6" on his own team.

 

[WarriorofTime]

44 assists in 216 games played is really bad. Does he just not have any vision?

Laf's PPG this season was 9th best for forwards on the Rangers.

Not even "producing like a top 6" on his own team.

Have you accounted for the fact that the Rangers are the super most awesomely assembled team in NHL history and a young Wayne Gretzky himself wouldn't be able to crack the powerplay with all those juggernauts there (never mind that they got knocked out in the 1st round by a team with a better regular season record)?

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

44 assists in 216 games played is really bad. Does he just not have any vision?


Have you accounted for the fact that the Rangers are the super most awesomely assembled team in NHL history and a young Wayne Gretzky himself wouldn't be able to crack the powerplay with all those juggernauts there (never mind that they got knocked out in the 1st round by a team with a better regular season record)?

I have heard from dozens of Rangers fans that Laf is a 150pt winger just waiting to break out but being held back because they won't give him powerplay time. Maybe we will never know.

 

[Vergil]

Hughes was the consensus #1OA, there’s no way they were taking Kakko.

So was Shane Wright. Things happen on draft day. All I said was imagine if the Devils didn't take the consensus guy.

At least the Devils learned from their drafting Zacha error.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

I have heard from dozens of Rangers fans that Laf is a 150pt winger just waiting to break out but being held back because they won't give him powerplay time. Maybe we will never know.

I don't think anyone is saying that anymore. Lafreniere sucks so bad, he's not even worth typing the è.

 

[TBF1972]

My prediction... Canes will offersheet. Give up a 2nd and he learns from Svech to become a solid power forward.

I mean, it could happen right?

and the rangers fans will pull a trick from the habs and declare them winners.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

So you're saying he's actually I higher end 3rd liner? I'll take that on my team. Especially if I know he can stay healthy and actually be in the lineup.


So how many are there then? Do 32 teams have top lines made up of defensemen?

If I have to explain to you how a Chicago Blackhawks team didnt have three first liners and three second liners - and why they obviously placed 3rd last - then were talking fundamentals of the sport and its a Tuesday in May...

But yes, lets compare Lafreniere's third line production to some AHLers 1st line production on a rebuilding team; whatever makes Alexis look better

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Laf had 4 points in 112mins of powerplay time last season.

Once he just gets his deserved 2000 mins of powerplay time in a season, he will show us the prolific 70+ point scorer that he really is.

 

[Grifter3511]

If I have to explain to you how a Chicago Blackhawks team didnt have three first liners and three second liners - and why they obviously placed 3rd last - then were talking fundamentals of the sport and its a Tuesday in May

But yes, lets compare Lafreniere's third line production to some AHLers 1st line production on a rebuilding team; whatever makes Alexis look better

So what you're trying to say is that you are arguing a subjectively hypothetical, never before determined, assessment of what constitutes a second liner, whereas I am arguing the highly objective and extremely definitive definition of a second liner.

But sure...keep arguing subjectives. Maybe I'll see you in the next 'superstar' or 'generational' thread where everyone attempts to define whether player X meets the description.

 

[PostBradMalone]

So you're saying he's actually I higher end 3rd liner? I'll take that on my team. Especially if I know he can stay healthy and actually be in the lineup.


So how many are there then? Do 32 teams have top lines made up of defensemen?

If Alexis Lafreniere cared this much about being a second line forward he might actually be one.

 

[WarriorofTime]

This is not true. His was projected as a likely first overall years before he was drafted. Dude was the 1st pick in the Q after tearing up AAA and then put up 42 goals and 80 points in only 60gp as a 15/16 year old in Rimouski. Pretty much any prospect putting up 1.25 PPG as a 15/16 year old in the CHL is going to be a favorite to go first overall.

lol yeah do people just make stuff up here and hope it sticks? LaFreniere has never once in his life been a late bloomer

Consensus No. 1 pick who was like 5th all time in Quebec Minor Hockey PPG, who went 1st.

The consensus No. 1 pick was, in fact, the first off the board. The 6-foot, 171-pound forward led the QMAAA with 33 goals and 83 points and a 2.31 PPG as a 15-year-old with the Saint-Eustache Vikings. To put those numbers into context, only Denis Chalifoux (3.17), Mario Lemieux (2.64), Alexandre Daigle (2.619) and Pierre Turgeon (2.463) had more PPG at age 15. Three of those four players went on to be first overall picks in the NHL.

Lafrenière has elite hockey IQ, and will instantly step into a top-six role and provide scoring on a rebuilding Océanic team that’s two years removed from a league championship. He should be a star in the QMJHL until he’s eligible for the NHL draft in 2020.

QMJHL Draft Review: A look at the top 10 and other notable picks

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Rookie of the Year and 1st Team All-Star as a 16 year old in the QMJHL

Rookie of the Year

Alexis Lafrenière, Rimouski Océanic

At only 16 years of age, Lafrenière finished second among rookies in goals (42), assists (38) and points (80) as well as finished first in plus/minus differential among rookies with a +35 rating.

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All-Star Teams

1st All-Star Team

G Samuel Harvey (Rouyn-Noranda Huskies)
D Noah Dobson (Acadie-Bathurst Titan)
D Olivier Galipeau (Acadie-Bathurst Titan)
LW Alexis Lafrenière (Rimouski Océanic)
C Alex Barré-Boulet (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
RW Filip Zadina (Halifax Mooseheads)

LHJMQ

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Youngest player selected for Team Canada at the 2018 IIHF World U18 Championships at age 16

The youngest player on the roster at age 16, Alexis Lafrenière played in the 2017 edition of the same under-17 tournament earlier this season, leading Team Canada Red to a silver medal.

LHJMQ

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Named Team Captain for Canada at the 2017 Hlinka-Gretzky Tournament as the 2nd youngest player on team, already touted as potential first overall pick

Canada will be favoured against the USA, and led by captain Alexis Lafreniere, who is 17 but about a month too young for the Vancouver draft.

He’ll be with the two Swedes in the 2020 NHL lottery, where Lafreniere is already touted as the potential No. 1 pick.
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Tourigny made Lafreniere his captain here, despite the fact he is the second-youngest Team Canada player. It was an obvious choice, yet still, a rare occurrence at this age. Or so you might think.

“What do you think about Connor McDavid as captain of the Edmonton Oilers? Sidney Crosby won the Cup at 21,” countered Tourigny. “When you’re a leader, you’re a leader — it’s not a matter of age. The fact that he is a few months younger than the other (players), maybe it’s good for the first 48 hours. But now we don’t see the age anymore. He’s a good player — period.”

Lafreniere is humble, and not eager for comparisons with Crosby and Vincent Lecavalier, two superstars who came through the Rimouski Oceanic, where Lafreniere scored 42 goals and 82 points last season as a 16-year-old.

Lafreniere, 2020 draft class steal the spotlight at Hlinka Gretzky Cup

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Made Team Canada's 2019 U20 World Junior roster a couple months after turning 17, as the 9th youngest forward ever to represent Canada. Again touted as a potential first overall pick.

Known as "Laffy" to his teammates, the 2018 CHL rookie of the year is Canada's youngest member at the 2019 World Juniors and the ninth-youngest forward ever to represent the country in the tournament. He also has a reputation as a bit of a jokester around the room.

“He’s a pretty outgoing character. He loves to have fun, the guy is really loose in the room,” Smith said. “He’s a good guy. I guess he gels well with other guys and he loves to have fun and work hard.”

Lafreniere, the early favorite to be the top selection at the 2020 NHL Draft, is being challenged to round out the defensive side of his game.

World Juniors 2019: Alexis Lafreniere taking lessons in stride under Canada's microscope | Sporting News

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Mock Draft Number 1 Pick at the start of the 2019-20 Season

1. Ottawa Senators
AlexisLafreniere – LW, Rimouski (QMJHL)
Makes everyone around him better. One of the best at the World Junior Summer Showcase. He’s lighting up the ‘Q.’

https://thehockeynews.com/all-access/countdown-the-way-too-early-2020-nhl-mock-draft

Literally, he could not be the furthest thing you could find from a "late bloomer"

 

[NHL Fanatik]

So what you're trying to say is that you are arguing a subjectively hypothetical, never before determined, assessment of what constitutes a second liner, whereas I am arguing the highly objective and extremely definitive definition of a second liner.

But sure...keep arguing subjectives. Maybe I'll see you in the next 'superstar' or 'generational' thread where everyone attempts to define whether player X meets the description.

Youre trying really hard to sound knowledgeable about this and its falling flat on its face...

I legit feel bad going any further on this

Ill leave with this: the 'objective and extremely definitive definition' is NYR 2020 1st overall pick Alexis Lafreniere scored 39 points in 81 games and 0 points in 7 playoff games in his third NHL season. If you think thats adequate then by all means enjoy it lmfao

 

[Hull Fan]

If NYR wants to dump him for peanuts Dallas would be happy to have him on their 3rd line next year. I'd move Dellandrea, our own tweener who's not good enough offensively but can win faceoffs and kill penalties, plus their choice of Stranges, Accuri, or Seminoff.

The number of high draft picks that didn't turn out to who everyone hoped they'd be is long and distinguished. He's just the latest.

 

[Nyr88nyg]

Worst bust of all time. At least busts like Yak got the f*** out and made room for better players.

 

[LionsHeart]

I’m not making an excuse for Laf, but given the comments from Gallant I’m thinking about this a little more.

Gallant basically admitted to not coaching the team. How are they expecting their young players to grow and succeed without any sort of structure?

 

[3074326]

He's a bottom sixer. Glad that's the lottery the Rags won.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

This is usually around the page count where Rangers fans tell us that Laf’s ES points are the same or better than Stuztle’s. No disagreement from me, except one player didn’t make the playoffs.

 

[Grifter3511]

If Alexis Lafreniere cared this much about being a second line forward he might actually be one.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a highly serviceable 3rd liner who doesn't suck but isn't living up to expectations.

Youre trying really hard to sound knowledgeable about this and its falling flat on its face...

I legit feel bad going any further on this

Ill leave with this: the 'objective and extremely definitive definition' is NYR 2020 1st overall pick Alexis Lafreniere scored 39 points in 81 games and 0 points in 7 playoff games in his third NHL season. If you think thats adequate then by all means enjoy it lmfao

Thank you. I am disappointed that he isn't better, but I actually do enjoy having him on the Rangers 3rd line. And if he continues to produce approx. 0.5 ppg I'll gladly keep him there.

Now, If my team had traded for Lafreneire at the deadline to play on the top line, and he was making close to twice what he actually is, and he put up 0 pts in 7 playoff games, I'd probably feel differently.

 

[WarriorofTime]

This is usually around the page count where Rangers fans tell us that Laf’s ES points are the same or better than Stuztle’s. No disagreement from me, except one player didn’t make the playoffs.

?

LaFreniere had 13 even-strength goals and 22 even-strength assists

Stutzle had 26 even-strength goals and 33 even-strength assists

 

[LionsHeart]

This is usually around the page count where Rangers fans tell us that Laf’s ES points are the same or better than Stuztle’s. No disagreement from me, except one player didn’t make the playoffs.

Stutzle is way more dynamic of a player. It’s not even close.

I think there’s a difference between putting up points and impacting a game, and at this stage of his career Lafreniere doesn’t impact the game. Doesn’t mean he can’t at some point, but as of now the sample size isn’t great.