Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[Shesterkybomb]

If you think it's just ice time that's keeping Laff from being all he can be, we'll just have to disagree. And Fox was gonna be a star regardless of who was in front of him. His talent is undeniable, Laff's not so much.

You don't think the organization has sat him down at the end of every season and told him what they'd like him to work, where he needs to improve? Do you think they're holding resources back from the kid? These guys are pros, no one holds your hand. Go workout with Kreider in the off season, go work out with another NHL guy like Kakko does in the offseason. Amazing Kreiderman basically just said he knows people that know the kid and he doesn't take training seriously. What more do you want the Rangers to do? These excuses are mind numbing. I just happened to watch Jack Hughes highlights, if you think the difference between Laff and him is simply a matter of PP time or line mates, you're crazy

I scouted the kid pre junior and all of what you are saying is nonsense

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I scouted the kid pre junior and all of what you are saying is nonsense

You scouted a 15 year old. Great. Tell that to the guy here who said it.

 

[duhmetreE]

The narrative that Laf is sitting around eating hot dogs has to stop, it's based on nothing and ridiculous

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I'm hoping he's just lazy because the alternative is he's not that good.

 

[Leonardo87]

Let me just say that I am about a 10x larger fan of poutine than I am of Lafreniere.

In fact, I regret checking this thread because the only takeaway that I’ve gotten is that I want poutine now.

The thread is going in a circle with the same discussions, This is what is expected as we enter the dog days of summer. I'm also trying to avoid the Kreider vs Laf debates.

 

[duhmetreE]

The thread is going in a circle with the same discussions, This is what is expected as we enter the dog days of summer. I'm also trying to avoid the Kreider vs Laf debates.

Or as Laffy calls it... the Hot Dog days of summer

 

[Leonardo87]

Or as Laffy calls it... the Hot Dog days of summer

Seriously though we have to tone down the fat jokes. But that was a good one, lol

 

[duhmetreE]

Seriously though we have to tone down the fat jokes. But that was a good one, lol

I like Laffy. Still think he could develop into a great player.... if he starts taking it seriously.

There's a lot of smoke around the 'commitment' he has right now. When Vally goes on Live TV and singles him out, there has to be a known issue. He's enjoying the lifestyle as a young man. I get it. Can we blame him? probably not. He's young and has money in NYC/Montreal. That's a combo that A LOT of us would struggle with similarly.

I think he's distracted and not getting proper guidance. He's not thinking long term or investing his time/effort for the long term. He needs to be the best version of himself... and I just don't believe he is.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I honestly have no clue what Laf is or is not eating. No idea why this thread became about hotdogs. I just wish he would post some videos of him skating and working out on the ice. I have seen it for months from football players. I would get excited to see Laf preparing hard for camp. No video does not mean he is not doing it but a video would help fans get excited that he is taking things seriously in the offseason.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm also trying to avoid the Kreider vs Laf debates.

"Keep your gourmet pizza, I'd rather eat raw sewage" is how I imagine that debate going.

 

[Leonardo87]

I like Laffy. Still think he could develop into a great player.... if he starts taking it seriously.

There's a lot of smoke around the 'commitment' he has right now. When Vally goes on Live TV and singles him out, there has to be a known issue. He's enjoying the lifestyle as a young man. I get it. Can we blame him? probably not. He's young and has money in NYC/Montreal. That's a combo that A LOT of us would struggle with similarly.

I think he's distracted and not getting proper guidance. He's not thinking long term or investing his time/effort for the long term. He needs to be the best version of himself... and I just don't believe he is.

As I said above, the Laf and Kreider debate about him being on the top line over him has turned me off. I don't care about ES points. Kreider should be with Mika on opening day. If Laf outplays him down the stretch then make the swap. He has not earned anything to be gifted a Top line slot.

 

[Machinehead]

Regarding the fitness thing, I don't care if he's fat.

I have been told by very good sources that I trust, who I know have a lot of knowledge about this, that it's good for hockey players to have a bit of chunk.

Other sports slow down but hockey is a prolonged sprint. By the third period, these guys are feeding on their own bodies. If you have no body fat, you're not gonna have stamina doing the type of exercise pro hockey is.

I care that he sucks.

 

[bhamill]

Regarding the fitness thing, I don't care if he's fat.

I have been told by very good sources that I trust, who I know have a lot of knowledge about this, that it's good for hockey players to have a bit of chunk.

Other sports slow down but hockey is a prolonged sprint. By the third period, these guys are feeding on their own bodies. If you have no body fat, you're not gonna have stamina doing the type of exercise pro hockey is.

I care that he sucks.

True, having some body fat doesn't mean you aren't strong and don't have good cardio. I think everyone just wants him working hard to improve.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

I honestly have no clue what Laf is or is not eating. No idea why this thread became about hotdogs. I just wish he would post some videos of him skating and working out on the ice. I have seen it for months from football players. I would get excited to see Laf preparing hard for camp. No video does not mean he is not doing it but a video would help fans get excited that he is taking things seriously in the offseason.

nah. i don't care about the skating and ice rink workouts. i'd rather see a video of him eating. that way i can get to go,"mmmmmm that looks so good!!!! i think i'll have some of that tomorrow." i also want to see the menu that he is ordering from.

also it will also verify whether or not if he's just only eating poutine and hotdogs.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Regarding the fitness thing, I don't care if he's fat.

I have been told by very good sources that I trust, who I know have a lot of knowledge about this, that it's good for hockey players to have a bit of chunk.

Other sports slow down but hockey is a prolonged sprint. By the third period, these guys are feeding on their own bodies. If you have no body fat, you're not gonna have stamina doing the type of exercise pro hockey is.

I care that he sucks.

There are no absolutes but when I played out of shape it felt like I was skating around with skate weights or a 5 pound weight around my waist. Not saying players should have 5% body fat or anything extreme but being out of shape will kill a playoff team faster than anything but injuries imo.

 

[Savant]

BRB. Camping out at Grey’s Papaya waiting for Lafreniere to get a glizzy

 

[haohmaru]

Seriously though we have to tone down the fat jokes. But that was a good one, lol

“Tone down” the fat jokes. Okkkkkkkaaaayyy lol.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I honestly have no clue what Laf is or is not eating. No idea why this thread became about hotdogs. I just wish he would post some videos of him skating and working out on the ice. I have seen it for months from football players. I would get excited to see Laf preparing hard for camp. No video does not mean he is not doing it but a video would help fans get excited that he is taking things seriously in the offseason.

This.

Ill quote Torts here. He would always talk about the young kids (Cally, Dubinsky, etc.) learning how to "be a pro". It encompasses everything, including diet and exercise. Foremost, its a mindset.

This is Lafreniere's 4th season. He's not exactly a vet at the age of 21, but he's been in the NHL long enough to know what it takes to improve on and off the ice. The thing with Laf is I dont see it as a priority, at this moment. Now he very well may be doing everything behind closed doors but if he was obsessed with it all like Bedard, you would definitely see more content of such online.

Maybe it will take him longer to sink into it. I think the dedication to all aspects diet and training yields great results, especially for a young man that has so much natural talent. The sooner you start it the better (especially the skating part) but once he gets all of the partying and being young out of his system (not implying that he is partying too much) it could click and he could get real serious by 23-24 and still take off with his skill set. Sometimes kids just have to be kids and its a maturity thing. I dont think he's completely immature, hes a bit of a goofball, but hes smart. He may just be soaking it all in now and that stuff isnt the full priority right now. Learning to be a pro.

On a personal note, I played college hockey and it wasnt until my junior/senior year when I really started taking off-ice training and exercise seriously. By then my "career" was pretty much over, although you dont think of it that way when you are in the moment. Before that I was just living it up, very careless. I think its all about becoming a man and it's different for every individual. It wasnt until men's league in my 30s when i started taking diet seriously as well, but that was also about 15 years ago when all of it was becoming more mainstream. I felt that if I had made that a priority when I was younger, I would've been a lot better.

Laf has everything at his fingertips. Money and training resources shouldn't be an issue. Its all about priorities and becoming a man.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

it's been a real long thursday morning working remotely at home. so out of curiosity i decided to search places to eat in montreal. just based on looking at the pictures i'm real jealous. if a few of these places were operating in nyc i'd be on my way to making an appearance on that my 600 pound life tv show. chalet bar-b-q looks real good, especially with spit-roasted bird on its menu.

after seeing what i just saw there' no way laffy is eating hot dogs n poutine - that shit he would just throw in the garbage.

https://www.eater.com/maps/best-restaurants-montreal-quebec-canada

 

[will1066]

Honestly, I knew about Laf’s gut and penchant for gluttony before he was even drafted, but I thought it wouldn’t be an issue for us because Pommes Frites literally exploded in 2015:

Fans mourn Pommes Frites after NYC building explosion

It’s only french fries — but die-hard fans were left saddened after an East Village explosion shuttered their favorite greasy snack shop. The popular late-night Belgian fry shop Pommes Frites was a…

nypost.com

Did this place ever come back? Hands down best drunk food ever.

Loved that place

Edit: so, from research, they moved to another location, in West Village, after the original got leveled.

Combining Pommes Frites with Paul's burgers was heaven.

 

[will1066]

Regarding the fitness thing, I don't care if he's fat.

I have been told by very good sources that I trust, who I know have a lot of knowledge about this, that it's good for hockey players to have a bit of chunk.

Other sports slow down but hockey is a prolonged sprint. By the third period, these guys are feeding on their own bodies. If you have no body fat, you're not gonna have stamina doing the type of exercise pro hockey is.

I care that he sucks.

Finished a Dark Side of the Ring episode on Bam Bam Bigelow yesterday. He was fat by any definition and he was faster and more agile than a lot of guys.

 

[NickyFotiu]

This.

Ill quote Torts here. He would always talk about the young kids (Cally, Dubinsky, etc.) learning how to "be a pro". It encompasses everything, including diet and exercise. Foremost, its a mindset.

This is Lafreniere's 4th season. He's not exactly a vet at the age of 21, but he's been in the NHL long enough to know what it takes to improve on and off the ice. The thing with Laf is I dont see it as a priority, at this moment. Now he very well may be doing everything behind closed doors but if he was obsessed with it all like Bedard, you would definitely see more content of such online.

Maybe it will take him longer to sink into it. I think the dedication to all aspects diet and training yields great results, especially for a young man that has so much natural talent. The sooner you start it the better (especially the skating part) but once he gets all of the partying and being young out of his system (not implying that he is partying too much) it could click and he could get real serious by 23-24 and still take off with his skill set. Sometimes kids just have to be kids and its a maturity thing. I dont think he's completely immature, hes a bit of a goofball, but hes smart. He may just be soaking it all in now and that stuff isnt the full priority right now. Learning to be a pro.

On a personal note, I played college hockey and it wasnt until my junior/senior year when I really started taking off-ice training and exercise seriously. By then my "career" was pretty much over, although you dont think of it that way when you are in the moment. Before that I was just living it up, very careless. I think its all about becoming a man and it's different for every individual. It wasnt until men's league in my 30s when i started taking diet seriously as well, but that was also about 15 years ago when all of it was becoming more mainstream. I felt that if I had made that a priority when I was younger, I would've been a lot better.

Laf has everything at his fingertips. Money and training resources shouldn't be an issue. Its all about priorities and becoming a man.

The irony of all this working out talk is Laf's lottery pick night. Does anyone else remember a big point made on Laf's lottery pick night was that he was working out on his own in his garage despite the pandemic?

Anyone that plays the game knows there is nothing like on ice skating if possible. Office is helpful but skating skating and skating on ice can do so much to improve a guys stamina nevermind his skills. If I could speak to Drury I would ask if there was anyway they could encourage our younger players to spend their summers with power skating coaches.

 

[Machinehead]

Finished a Dark Side of the Ring episode on Bam Bam Bigelow yesterday. He was fat by any definition and he was faster and more agile than a lot of guys.

Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe are another two guys who like to eat and can move like lightning.

 

[duhmetreE]

This.

Ill quote Torts here. He would always talk about the young kids (Cally, Dubinsky, etc.) learning how to "be a pro". It encompasses everything, including diet and exercise. Foremost, its a mindset.

This is Lafreniere's 4th season. He's not exactly a vet at the age of 21, but he's been in the NHL long enough to know what it takes to improve on and off the ice. The thing with Laf is I dont see it as a priority, at this moment. Now he very well may be doing everything behind closed doors but if he was obsessed with it all like Bedard, you would definitely see more content of such online.

Maybe it will take him longer to sink into it. I think the dedication to all aspects diet and training yields great results, especially for a young man that has so much natural talent. The sooner you start it the better (especially the skating part) but once he gets all of the partying and being young out of his system (not implying that he is partying too much) it could click and he could get real serious by 23-24 and still take off with his skill set. Sometimes kids just have to be kids and its a maturity thing. I dont think he's completely immature, hes a bit of a goofball, but hes smart. He may just be soaking it all in now and that stuff isnt the full priority right now. Learning to be a pro.

On a personal note, I played college hockey and it wasnt until my junior/senior year when I really started taking off-ice training and exercise seriously. By then my "career" was pretty much over, although you dont think of it that way when you are in the moment. Before that I was just living it up, very careless. I think its all about becoming a man and it's different for every individual. It wasnt until men's league in my 30s when i started taking diet seriously as well, but that was also about 15 years ago when all of it was becoming more mainstream. I felt that if I had made that a priority when I was younger, I would've been a lot better.

Laf has everything at his fingertips. Money and training resources shouldn't be an issue. Its all about priorities and becoming a man.

He also may have not experienced those certain aspects of life and is compensating for it now.. He was 18-19 during the shutdowns. Hopefully he’s just getting it out of his system

 

[Raspewtin]

Phil Kessel is fat and over his career had an argument for the best skating forward, and the best skating forward with the puck on his stick, in the whole league over that time.

That should really be the end of discussion