Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[McGuires Corndog]

He'll get 2nd PP duties behind Josi. He's a player they actually need. There's very little offense behind Josi, so I'm sure they're hoping that's what he'll provide. From our end, we needed a veteran RD who can defend.

With Hutson & Matheson on the team and Engstrom & Mailloux in Laval Barron was no longer a need. He was when we got him, though.

At that time, we only had Mailloux in OHL. Nothing in Laval. We would draft Hutson & Engstrom in 2022 draft, and trade for Matheson in summer of 2022.

Not to mention drafting Reinbacher in 2023.

Barron was obsolete from that day forward unless he took off, which he never did.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Reg season stats 2013 to Nov. 2021:

17th pts%
23rd goals per game
T-27th PP%
T-19th PK%

Playoff stats:

T-11th win%
27th goals per game
With Carey Price in goal for almost every single playoff game: 7th in goals against per game
T-24th PP%
6th PK% (!!)

T.R.A.S.H.

Now do HuGo’s

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Agreed.

Terrible trade by Kent Hughes.

I am asserting that it is a good trade as Carrier is likely better than Barron will ever be.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I am asserting that it is a good trade as Carrier is likely better than Barron will ever be.

This board has pretty much planted their flag that the best move was to keep Kovacevic and waive Barron.

Instead Hughes gets a 4th and Carrier.

 

[the valiant effort]

Now do HuGo’s

When Carey Price is healthy:

 

[ZUKI]

This board has pretty much planted their flag that the best move was to keep Kovacevic and waive Barron.

Instead Hughes gets a 4th and Carrier.

yeah but he could have get Carrier and a first for Kovacevic

 

[ahmedou]

 

[dinodebino]

Reinbacher’s injury screwed up the plan a tad. They were expecting him to make the team from the start.

 

[Rapala]

This board has pretty much planted their flag that the best move was to keep Kovacevic and waive Barron.

Instead Hughes gets a 4th and Carrier.

Given our imbalance add our inexperience on RD with Struble still being waiver eligible I'm not sure what the rush was to move Kovacevic?
I get the vision but the foresight wasn't on point.
I guarantee you that will never happen again when we have that flexibility.
It was actually out of character for HuGo who up until then had bent over backwards to keep 3 goaltenders and Ylonen the previous year.
It's not like he was going to get a better return moving him over the summer?

 

[HabbyGuy]

Reinbacher’s injury screwed up the plan a tad. They were expecting him to make the team from the start.

I dunno if they expected him to start, but they certainly had big plans for him as the season progressed, his injury really threw a wrench into that.

Given our imbalance add our inexperience on RD with Struble still being waiver eligible I'm not sure what the rush was to move Kovacevic?
I get the vision but the foresight wasn't on point.
I guarantee you that will never happen again when we have that flexibility.
It was actually out of character for HuGo who up until then had bent over backwards to keep 3 goaltenders and Ylonen the previous year.
It's not like he was going to get a better return moving him over the summer?

Kovy was moved before the Reinbacher injury, and they really needed to get a good look at Barron. You're right they're more likely to be more cautious in the future, but I don't fault the logic at the time. (this year was always about transition, growth and examination)

Either way a 4th and Carrier for a waiver pickup and Barron isn't that bad. Carrier is a much better fit anyway.

 

[Rapala]

I dunno if they expected him to start, but they certainly had big plans for him as the season progressed, his injury really threw a wrench into that.



Kovy was moved before the Reinbacher injury, and they really needed to get a good look at Barron. You're right they're more likely to be more cautious in the future, but I don't fault the logic at the time.

Either way a 4th and Carrier for a waiver pickup and Barron isn't that bad.

Hence why I said I get the vision but not the foresight.
We were relying on a raw rookie with 11 games of AHL experience and Barron to fill that hole.
We still had Harris at that point so I guess they felt either he or Struble would spell Barron.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Hence why I said I get the vision but not the foresight.
We were relying on a raw rookie with 11 games of AHL experience and Barron to fill that hole.
We still had Harris at that point so I guess they felt either he or Struble would spell Barron.

Yup my response was me agreeing with you.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Given our imbalance add our inexperience on RD with Struble still being waiver eligible I'm not sure what the rush was to move Kovacevic?
I get the vision but the foresight wasn't on point.
I guarantee you that will never happen again when we have that flexibility.
It was actually out of character for HuGo who up until then had bent over backwards to keep 3 goaltenders and Ylonen the previous year.
It's not like he was going to get a better return moving him over the summer?

The rush was you were either going to waive Barron (makes no sense), Xhekaj (even less sense), or force Struble down to the AHL level when he had played his way onto the NHL team.

They couldn't go into camp with 9 NHL D. Kovacevic was a 7th D for us last year, they weren't going to bend over backwards to keep him on the roster.

Even with injuries to Reinbacher, trading Harris and Kovacevic, they were having trouble getting enough ice to Xhekaj Struble and Barron.

 

[HabbyGuy]

The rush was you were either going to waive Barron (makes no sense), Xhekaj (even less sense), or force Struble down to the AHL level when he had played his way onto the NHL team.

They couldn't go into camp with 9 NHL D. Kovacevic was a 7th D for us last year, they weren't going to bend over backwards to keep him on the roster.

Even with injuries to Reinbacher, trading Harris and Kovacevic, they were having trouble getting enough ice to Xhekaj Struble and Barron.

Kovy being moved was a foregone conclusion months in advance imo. The writing was very much on the wall. Logically it made sense, but it's still a lesson learned, Struble could have been moved to the A if needed. RHD is a need, the fly in the ointment was Reinbacher's injury.

Either way it worked out in the end. I prefer Carrier over Kovy.

 

[Rapala]

The rush was you were either going to waive Barron (makes no sense), Xhekaj (even less sense), or force Struble down to the AHL level when he had played his way onto the NHL team.

They couldn't go into camp with 9 NHL D. Kovacevic was a 7th D for us last year, they weren't going to bend over backwards to keep him on the roster.

Even with injuries to Reinbacher, trading Harris and Kovacevic, they were having trouble getting enough ice to Xhekaj Struble and Barron.

Struble had not played his way onto anything.
He was very much susceptible to being demoted just like any other kid depending on camp.
Had we not made the Laine deal and we still had Harris in the fold Struble likely would have been sent down.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Struble had not played his way onto anything.
He was very much susceptible to being demoted just like any other kid depending on camp.
Had we not made the Laine deal and we still had Harris in the fold Struble likely would have been sent down.

Struble was excellent last season after being called up. He was miles better than Kovacevic.

They were not gonna hold back their own young guys for Kovacevic.

The hindsight shit on Kovacevic needs to end. He contributed to a bottom 5 finish last year and is having a good year in an extremely favorable situation which involves him blocking the play of Nemec, which I'm sure would have been met with vicious angst on this board if it were us doing that.

 

[417]

Kovy being moved was a foregone conclusion months in advance imo. The writing was very much on the wall. Logically it made sense, but it's still a lesson learned, Struble could have been moved to the A if needed. RHD is a need, the fly in the ointment was Reinbacher's injury.

Either way it worked out in the end. I prefer Carrier over Kovy.

When comparing salaries...debatable.

But given I think Kova is a UFA, he's probably going to sign a deal similar to what Carrier signed last offseason anyway.

Like you said, no biggie but a lesson learned.

 

[HabbyGuy]

When comparing salaries...debatable.

But given I think Kova is a UFA, he's probably going to sign a deal similar to what Carrier signed last offseason anyway.

Like you said, no biggie but a lesson learned.

I'm talking player wise in regards to Carrier vs Kovy. He just fits better with how this team wants to play and is the superior player. As you said Kovy is in for a raise as well.

 

[Rapala]

Struble was excellent last season after being called up. He was miles better than Kovacevic.

They were not gonna hold back their own young guys for Kovacevic.

The hindsight shit on Kovacevic needs to end. He contributed to a bottom 5 finish last year and is having a good year in an extremely favorable situation which involves him blocking the play of Nemec, which I'm sure would have been met with vicious angst on this board if it were us doing that.

There was an imbalance to begin with and it persists today.
The glut was always on the left side and we all know it.
It was a mistake it happens and I was no Kovacevic super fan believe me.

 

[yianik]

The rush was you were either going to waive Barron (makes no sense), Xhekaj (even less sense), or force Struble down to the AHL level when he had played his way onto the NHL team.

They couldn't go into camp with 9 NHL D. Kovacevic was a 7th D for us last year, they weren't going to bend over backwards to keep him on the roster.

Even with injuries to Reinbacher, trading Harris and Kovacevic, they were having trouble getting enough ice to Xhekaj Struble and Barron.

True enough. I liked Kovacevic, he was a nice surprise and I thought solid bottom pair Dman. But thats the thing. We know few guys are NHL material, and fewer guys are average players and fewer still are top 4D. Xhekaj, Struble and Barron are all younger guys and with Barron especially there was upside above a bottom pair D man. We are rebuilding, you go with upside where the risk is losing a bottom pair D man. Moving Kovacevic was the right call, just as trading Barron had become inevitable. This does set things up as a Struble v Xhekaj on the bottom pair battle, at least for now. Carrier stabilizes that pairing with a good vet.

 

[WeThreeKings]

There was an imbalance to begin with and it persists today.
The glut was always on the left side and we all know it.
It was a mistake it happens and I was no Kovacevic super fan believe me.

Crying over spilled milk. They let a 7th D go.

 

[A55P2]

I feel like even thought this was a small "addition" to the team, it may have a huge impact on us winning more games. Carrier fills such a blatant hole that we had. He can eat a bunch of minutes and so far looks super reliable. It's really hard to win with a sketchy d-core.

 

[Rapala]

Crying over spilled milk. They let a 7th D go.

Nobody is crying.
I'm actually being objective.
It won't amount to a hill of beans in the long run.

 

[Rapala]

Struble was excellent last season after being called up. He was miles better than Kovacevic.

They were not gonna hold back their own young guys for Kovacevic.

The hindsight shit on Kovacevic needs to end. He contributed to a bottom 5 finish last year and is having a good year in an extremely favorable situation which involves him blocking the play of Nemec, which I'm sure would have been met with vicious angst on this board if it were us doing that.

We weren't holding back anything have a camp before you dump because SHIT HAPPENS.
Particularly with Dmen hindsight or not it was a mistake end of story.

 

[DAChampion]

Crying over spilled milk. They let a 7th D go.

I recall posters complaining when the Habs lost Aaron Palushaj.