Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

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They traded him obviously beceause they knew one of Hutson-Reinbacher-Mailloux would make the team and didn't want to lose Barron on waivers.

What's bothering me a little there.... is why it took them so long to figure that Barron had no future with us.
Teams do not decide a player might not work out for them and then trade him right away, they usually try to fill a hole or get something back. And there has been rumors the Habs were looking for a RHD vets since October.

Habs might have dangled Barron on multiple trade proposals the last few months for all we know.
 
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Barron is a 6/7 defenceman while Carrier is a 5. That part is an upgrade.

Barron makes 1.2 million for one more year and Carrier makes 3.75 for two more years.

The Habs upgraded but also added 2.55 million on the cap.


Now if you look at it as Carrier is a two year stop gap on the right side of defense until Mailloux and Reinbacher are fully ready then it is a good trade.
Any trade strategy built partially on the hope and premise that Mailloux is a future NHLer is a risky one.
 

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To me this seems like he pretty much waited until the end too. Now if he traded Mailloux and Roy this season I would see this lesson, otherwise, Barron for Carrier seems like a classic MB trade. I’m still a fan of the trade.
This is partially why I grind against the “Patience” peddlers. A rebuilding team can afford to churn through players and prospects who aren’t working out. There are many good reasons to support active/pro-active wheeling and dealing… not least of all: winning culture.

Barron did not improve over last year. He was likely available to CBJ when they made the Laine trade. Barron ate it this season and really sucked at times. Hughes could’ve made the move earlier and not taken back a chunky cap hit… oh well.
 
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This is partially why I grind against the “Patience” peddlers. A rebuilding team can afford to churn through players and prospects who aren’t working out. There are many good reasons to support active/pro-active wheeling and dealing… least of all: winning culture.
If a deal comes along that improves the team, you do it. Our RD is much better today, and the player has good term as well. Not a bandaid.
 
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If a deal comes along that improves the team, you do it. Our RD is much better today, and the player has good term as well. Not a bandaid.
Yeah I see it for sure.

How does this square with the tank though? The move could have been made before the Habs were so far behind…

For me the timing is hard to make ends of… they could’ve easily kept Barron and shoveled minutes at him in pursuit of his mythical upside. This is what those in the patience crowd was insisting to happen over summer btw.
 
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I like this trade a lot though, good to have a vet RHD signed beyond this season, even if he’s overpaid.

I think he would be a pretty valuable player with retention too
 
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Yeah I see it for sure.

How does this square with the tank though? The move could have been made before the Habs were so far behind…

For me the timing is hard to make ends of… they could’ve easily kept Barron and shoveled minutes at him in pursuit of his mythical upside. This is what those in the patience crowd was insisting to happen over summer btw.
We need to improve regardless of our position in the standings, IMO. Laine is here now. Hutson has emerged. Slaf is getting back on track. Demidov is coming soon. Tanking shouldn't be the plan, and it wasn't the plan from management coming into the season. They said they wanted to see progress.
 

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Yeah I see it for sure.

How does this square with the tank though? The move could have been made before the Habs were so far behind…

For me the timing is hard to make ends of… they could’ve easily kept Barron and shoveled minutes at him in pursuit of his mythical upside. This is what those in the patience crowd was insisting to happen over summer btw.
The tank move is to keep Barron. We’ll see what they do with Primeau now. But the message to the team is we haven’t completely scuttled the ship.
 

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Yeah I see it for sure.

How does this square with the tank though? The move could have been made before the Habs were so far behind…

For me the timing is hard to make ends of… they could’ve easily kept Barron and shoveled minutes at him in pursuit of his mythical upside. This is what those in the patience crowd was insisting to happen over summer btw.
They gave him time. They probably were ready to move on if he didn't show improvement early in this season. And what makes you think there was any trade available before this week????????And even if there were any offers thry were likely of little interest. They wanted Carrier.
 

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We need to improve regardless of our position in the standings, IMO. Laine is here now. Hutson has emerged. Slaf is getting back on track. Demidov is coming soon. Tanking shouldn't be the plan, and it wasn't the plan from management coming into the season. They said they wanted to see progress.
Yeah, I think Hughes really does see it this way too. His competitiveness is a sympathetic aspect to how I perforce him. I really think he wants to win.

I don’t dislike Hughes at all but I don’t defacto automatically like him either. How this season has gone has been rather bitter. With the Habs I’m rather pessimistic by nature because all I’ve known is disappointment, failure, and cults of personality around bad GMs.

Anyway — hopefully Carrier can help chew minutes and help us out. Competitive games >> losing games.
 
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Yeah I get it, just not sure why they were so convinced Barron was going to take another step or that Mailloux was ready to push into the lineup.

They could have kept him and gone with 8D...moving Harris made sense, they're stacked on the left side.

The right side? Not so much IMO, beyond Savard there just was too much uncertainty and even Savard, you know the likely outcome is that he's going to be moved.

Kovacecic last year without being spectacular, provided solid hockey defensively and played a role on the PK. Big rangy, mobile Dmen like that, especially when they're right handed have added value.

It's not a big gripe, just thought that was a bit mishandled and they've since been scrambling to try to fix the hole it created.

Like I said, I don't know a whole lot about Carrier but another 2 years at 3.75M doesn't thrill me but willing to see what he has, from all accounts he's mobile and solid defensively, if he can solidify the top 4 playing with Guhle...it'll be a solid move.

If he oscillates between 2nd pair/3rd pair...its' not so much

They could have but I don't think they wanted to carry 8 defenseman, it's already hard for them to get all their young guys into the line-up as is.

I'm sure they probably in hindsight realized that Savard and Matheson wasn't quite enough veteran help but I don't think Kovacevic is that same veteran help. Carrier fits that bill better.

I don't think they mishandled the situation at all, they made the right calls on who to cut.

Not at all - never trade a heart & soul type who can be slotted anywhere in the lineup for a pousse caca low hockey IQ dipshit.

I expressed those views immediately after the deal was announced. Atrocious trade

This is exactly why this concept of “development” is a BS red herring and gets confused w a player maturing be it physically or emotionally.

Dipshits issue isn’t a lack of maturing as a pro, he’s simply a poor NHL hockey IQ asset - simply can’t think the game at the NHL level

Calling the dude a dipshit? Man, chill out.

I'll say this because I used to make posts like this about players. I did that because I was unhappy. This isn't a realistic way to post about a guy you don't know, who did nothing but try to develop and realize his NHL potential in Montreal.

Find out why you are unhappy and work to improve your life. Venting and calling Barron a dipshit over and over again on a message board ain't doing anybody any good.

I disagree 100%.
While I agree it was obvious the habs would only be able to keep a maximum of 8 defenseman in the NHL but instead of letting their play during camp+ pre season decide if their defenseman warranted to stay in the NHL, the habs decided to decimate their depth so they can give opportunity to their younger defenseman. To me this is/was always dumb, a 4th round pick for Kovacevic is not good enough of an asset to move him before training camp. If a team offered a 1st, sure but a mid round pick? The worst case scenario is that Kovacevic stink at camp and you demote him to the AHL or lose him on waiver and miss out on a mid pick. No big deal considering his cap hit. The issue was, if Mailloux, Reinbacher, Barron were not ready (which we know happened) or showed the talent to stay with the big club at least you would still have Kovacevic as a depth defenseman. It would also mean a battle for a roster spot at camp. Handing out NHL roster spot to rookie prior to the camp is not the way professional sport should be. It's a competitive sport, you need depth and you want them to show you they are ready by their play on the ice. Now guess what, we have acquired a depth defenseman in Carrier with a significant cap hit and terms. If he stink, you are stuck with him, demoting him to the AHL is not an option.

They could have done it that way, sure.. but I fail to see why we are crying about Kovacevic. He wasn't a needle mover.
 

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The tank move is to keep Barron. We’ll see what they do with Primeau now. But the message to the team is we haven’t completely scuttled the ship.
Seems a bit late to send this message, it should’ve been delivered a month ago, but better late than never. We have a big month ahead of us in Jan. Waking the fk up and playing serious hockey would be a bigger blessing than picking a few ranks higher in the draft.
 

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I think it made sense to give him (and the overall category of Barron/Mailloux/Reinbacher) a shot to see if any of them could run with it. One got hurt and the other two showed they aren't ready while Hutson completely eliminated the short term need to keep a solid PP2 option around. I don't think it was impatient to trade him after giving him another chance that he squandered, when Hutson has solidified his role, and when it became clear that Savard couldn't be the same kind of stabilizing presence he was last year. Part of why I personally didn't really think Barron would be traded is because I didn't expect us to get a player like Carrier for him and there's no point trading Barron for a 3rd round pick just for the sake of it. Not that Carrier is some superstar or anything, but he's a pretty good vet #4-5ishD and usually teams don't trade those guys away this early in the season.

Regardless the broader point I'm making is that the whole discussion around this Barron/Lehkonen and Kovacevic stuff compared to eg. Harris/Laine + 2nd is extremely overdramatic in my opinion. It's just the HF availability heuristic, Barron is on our TVs making him a frequent topic of discussion on the boards, so this trade/Kovacevic trade are being treated as a bellwether for the team's overall fortunes which I don't think is grounded in reality.

Hutson and Carrier are the only sub 6'0 defencemen on the team. Carrier is not physical but he's not some fancy puck mover type either, he's a DFD and he'll help Guhle open things up more. Someone brought up Mike Weaver as a style comparable earlier, he won't be physical but I think you'll probably end up liking him. He's going to be a nice fit with Xhekaj next year after Savard leaves.

You make some good points without name calling and insults, I applaud you.
 

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Yeah, I think Hughes really does see it this way too. His competitiveness is a sympathetic aspect to how I perforce him. I really think he wants to win.

I don’t dislike Hughes at all but I don’t defacto automatically like him either. How this season has gone has been rather bitter. With the Habs I’m rather pessimistic by nature because all I’ve known is disappointment, failure, and cults of personality around bad GMs.

Anyway — hopefully Carrier can help chew minutes and help us out. Competitive games >> losing games.
He put way too much faith in Barron, Newhook, Dach and Primeau, and it really cost us. I am fine with liking our young guys, but our RD position was terrible coming into the season, and not having a plan B for Primeau is very questionable. I thought he was too stubborn to accept his mistakes, which every GM is going to make, but this trade makes me like him a lot more. No need to give up on every young player that is struggling, but some young players are not worth holding on to.
 

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I don't think anyone is fooled this is the state of our RD and what Alexandre brings for now.
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Teams do not decide a player might not work out for them and then trade him right away, they usually try to fill a hole or get something back. And there has been rumors the Habs were looking for a RHD vets since October.

Habs might have dangled Barron on multiple trade proposals the last few months for all we know.

Ya i know.....trade are hard to make, NHL ain't no playstation games
 

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They gave him time. They probably were ready to move on if he didn't show improvement early in this season. And what makes you think there was any trade available before this week????????And even if there were any offers thry were likely of little interest. They wanted Carrier.
As everyone said before the year began- this is an evaluation year. We’re not a playoff team but we’re hoping to improve. Laine and RB’s injuries were the start of a brutal year and then Dach came in well below where we thought he’d be. So that kind of crushed the hopes we had of improving this year.

Baron was being evaluated and I think they saw others with more potential. We needed help on the right side and that made him expendable. Roy is another guy who might wind up being moved as he wasn’t able to show he belonged.

Moves will be made. Matheson for example will go before the end of the year. And I’m sure they’re watching our AHL guys to see what they can do. Struble is probably not with us for a long time - even though I really like the guy, there’s just no room.

We’ve got lots to trade with. We have an excess of talent and I expect you’ll see more moves coming. The future will be: Cc,Nick, Slaf, Demidov, Beck, Hage, Fowler, Hutson, Ghule, RB.

Everyone else is up in the air. Mailloux, Roy, Laine, Struble, X, Engstrom… most will probably be with us but some may be leveraged in trades.
 

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He put way too much faith in Barron, Newhook, Dach and Primeau, and it really cost us. I am fine with liking our young guys, but our RD position was terrible coming into the season, and not having a plan B for Primeau is very questionable. I thought he was too stubborn to accept his mistakes, which every GM is going to make, but this trade makes me like him a lot more. No need to give up on every young player that is struggling, but some young players are not worth holding on to.
Yup. I’m glad to see Hughes be active. The next step is being proactive.
 
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it’s a good bet that either Mailloux or Reinbacher is a future NHLer. It’s a bet I would take any day.
Reinbacher, prior to his injury, was a different species than Mailloux. Let’s see how he recovers from major reconstructive knee surgery . Hence the riskiness of relying heavily on either as of the date of the trade. At this stage, and based on their respective skill sets, health and performances, Engstrom is a surer bet to have a more impactful NHL career than either.
 
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