Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[River Meadow]

Lehkonen started his last season as a Hab on the 4th line. He's way overglorified here.

He is pretty much the ideal hockey player aside from size, pure heart and can do it all on both ends of the ice.

There was a question of upside but tbh I always thought he had untapped offensive potential and we decided to give up on him at 26.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

The Barron trade, like the Newhook trade, are the types of homerun swings you have to try sometimes on a young player who might break out with your team. If the only trades you're allowed to make are the ones with 0 risk involved, Bergevin would have been GM of the year for life. They don't always pan out, but you have to try them.

 

[River Meadow]

We didn’t trade for him for his toughness but because we didn’t have many PMD in the prospect pool

Okay, but it a mistake by Hughes.

He traded for the wrong player.

This is not a positive thing.

 

[WeThreeKings]

yeah the volume is like

RAH RHA RAH BARRON SUCKS LEHKTONEN TRADE SUCKS RAHA RAHLRJALKARHALKAKLJASKJLF KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI RAH RAH STUPID WLKJLKAJRLAKJGALKDJ


also laine was cool

While Lehkonen is here
"Sucks. can't hit the net. 3rd liner."

While Kovacevic is here
"solid 7th d man, expendable."

I remember arguing for hours on end how Lehkonen is a vastly superior player to Drouin, and very few people supported that view. Now he went and provided the Avs what they needed and getting a developing 1st round D and a 2nd round pick wasn't enough.

It's just comical.

 

[Habs]

As usual, you have no clue what you're talking about and just want to complain...

His acquisitions.....Laine, MM, Barron, Heinneman, Dach, most of the draft picks....all over 6'. Only a couple like Newhook at around 6'. You have no clue.

The last thing our blueline needed, with a god given talent like Hutson back there, is another sub 6'/200lb scrub

But go ahead and believe this trade will help the team in the long term, the Kent fan club will be disappointed. Didn't you celebrate the trading of Kovacevic and Allen? You know what this could have used all year? That darn Kovacevic and Allen. Our GM is making awful decisions, this trade is no different. Barron was brutal, could care less, but to make a trade for a smurfy blueliner with limited upside? Shit player our, shit player in.

 

[Vachon23]

Okay, but it a mistake by Hughes.

He traded for the wrong player.

This is not a positive thing.

That’s why we need to be careful or it’s not the end of the world when you trade or acquired a late 1st round pick. Most of them don’t pan out or they become marginal players

 

[River Meadow]

While Lehkonen is here
"Sucks. can't hit the net. 3rd liner."

While Kovacevic is here
"solid 7th d man, expendable."

I remember arguing for hours on end how Lehkonen is a vastly superior player to Drouin, and very few people supported that view. Now he went and provided the Avs what they needed and getting a developing 1st round D and a 2nd round pick wasn't enough.

It's just comical.

But the developing 1st round D we got back was garbage.

Hughes made a mistake that was evident to all of us pretty quickly upon watching Barron play for us.

He makes some nice plays every once n awhile but most of his plays are braindead and he has no heart.

 

[Tuggy]

Does he play Friday?

 

[ReHabs]

yeah the volume is like

RAH RHA RAH BARRON SUCKS LEHKTONEN TRADE SUCKS RAHA RAHLRJALKARHALKAKLJASKJLF KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI RAH RAH STUPID WLKJLKAJRLAKJGALKDJ


also laine was cool

Meh.

Over summer a good few of us knew from looking at the depth chart, and calmly expressed, that Barron was one of the odd men out if he doesn’t make a significant improvement. People who disagreed insisted that we were impatient (that word again) and Barron had untapped upside.

I hate how he plays. He’s afraid of contact. He’s not a serious NHL defender.

Is Hughes now impatient and has he squandered Barron’s upside? I don’t suspect we’ll see much criticism allowed against the Habs GM.

Should Hughes have cut Barron loose sooner? I think it depends on one’s taste in management style but sitting here today I think it was a mistake to not cut losses on Barron sooner in the season when it was clear we needed a change and Barron wasn’t working out but Carrier likely wasn’t available then.

 

[sampollock]

Savard is gone.

This TDL will be fun.

and the draft

 

[River Meadow]

The last thing our blueline needed, with a god given talent like Hutson back there, is another sub 6'/200lb scrub

But go ahead and believe this trade will help the team in the long term, the Kent fan club will be disappointed. Didn't you celebrate the trading of Kovacevic and Allen? You know what this could have used all year? That darn Kovacevic and Allen. Our GM is making awful decisions, this trade is no different. Barron was brutal, could care less, but to make a trade for a smurfy blueliner with limited upside? Shit player our, shit player in.

Exactly.

This just will not work, and it brings back shades of when we used to get pushed around hard.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Okay, but it a mistake by Hughes.

He traded for the wrong player.

This is not a positive thing.

We have already said that the outcome is not a good outcome.

That doesn't change the fact that they got great value for Lehkonen at the time of the trade.

If Hughes trades David Savard for 3 1st rounders at this deadline - would that be good value for David Savard?

The answer would be a resounding yes.

If all 3 of those 1st rounders bust, the outcome would be bad but it doesn't mean they didn't get good value in the trade.

You aren't understanding there is a difference between the two items there.

 

[LaP]

Barron was really, really bad, but I'm still surprised they traded him away after what they gave up for him. Hughes is also leaning heavily within the ex-Quartexx clients and I'm not sure I like it. The one thing I wonder though is... why trade Kovacevic then ? What was the point only to trade Barron later ?

To try Barron and be sure. None of Kova and Carrier will be in our team when we will be ready to win. They don't matter at all. They wanted to give Barron one last chance. Now that they are sure there's nothing they traded him to re-add experience on a short term. The level of panic toward Kova since the beginning of the season is literally crazy.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Well, Harris isn't able to play consistently in Columbus so in trading both there isn't any real loss. The mistake was letting Kovacevic go. We could have packaged both of them and a pick for help at center and traded Kovacevic at the deadline to a contending team.

Okay but Kovacevic was picked up by us in waivers to begin with. I don’t really remember much of him at all. I certainly don’t remember anyone being upset when we dealt him.

I don't think it's the greatest idea to play 3-5 rookies/green defencemen in the lineup at one time and obviously they have realized the mistake. Others have mentioned trading Savard to offset the cap implications of adding Carrier which would be the necessary move.

Yeah. Not only that we have guys playing on their off side. We needed a vet there badly. I don’t think we need to even move Savard right now. The guy I’d move is Matheson.

 

[River Meadow]

We have already said that the outcome is not a good outcome.

That doesn't change the fact that they got great value for Lehkonen at the time of the trade.

If Hughes trades David Savard for 3 1st rounders at this deadline - would that be good value for David Savard?

The answer would be a resounding yes.

If all 3 of those 1st rounders bust, the outcome would be bad but it doesn't mean they didn't get good value in the trade.

You aren't understanding there is a difference between the two items there.

That's different though,

Those 3 1st round picks are not specific individual players, they're a sandbox, and yes that value is amazing.

We traded Lekky for a bad Dman, period.

 

[WeThreeKings]

But the developing 1st round D we got back was garbage.

Hughes made a mistake that was evident to all of us pretty quickly upon watching Barron play for us.

He makes some nice plays every once n awhile but most of his plays are braindead and he has no heart.

He was not garbage.. he was putting up great numbers in the AHL and is a toolsy right shot defenseman.

It was not evident to all of us when he got him. He looked exactly as advertised.. a raw, toolsy right shot defenseman who needed to improve his decision making under pressure.

They thought they could take that toolsy defenseman and develop out his weaknesses. It didn't work out and we moved him for a cromulent 2nd pair right shot defenseman with experience.

This seems to be more about your vitriol regarding how Barron plays hockey and less about the trade itself, so I'm going to bow out of discussing this further with you.

 

[Whitesnake]

I think that's important to remember though when we're evaluating players.

Who knows, maybe Justin Barron goes to Nashville and plays with Roman Josi and suddenly becomes a reliable 20+ mins a night, reliable 2 way Dman lol.

He should have all the chances to do so. clearly if I'm Nashville, that's what I do. I mean, his competitioin on the right is Blankenburg and Schenn...lol

He might even have a shot at PP2.

 

[le_sean]

While Lehkonen is here
"Sucks. can't hit the net. 3rd liner."

While Kovacevic is here
"solid 7th d man, expendable."

I remember arguing for hours on end how Lehkonen is a vastly superior player to Drouin, and very few people supported that view. Now he went and provided the Avs what they needed and getting a developing 1st round D and a 2nd round pick wasn't enough.

It's just comical.

I think we, myself included, would have appreciated Lehkonen a lot more if we had talent on the team. The problem is his GM was fixated on just having a team of Lehkonens, so he never stood out. Of course when he goes to a team that is full of talent, we see what he brings.

Kind of like Kovacevic. Our entire defence was just guys that play simple, boring hockey + Matheson. It made sense to get rid of him.

The revisionism is pretty funny. Especially with Kovacevic who NO ONE wanted to keep.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Okay, but it a mistake by Hughes.

He traded for the wrong player.

This is not a positive thing.

He got a 2nd with that player and leveraged it for Hage. Again, we’d make that trade again in a heartbeat.

You can’t just ignore the rest of the trade. Even if Baron does nothing - we still got that other piece.

Moreover, trading Baron away might turn out to be something we regret in the long run. We just don’t know yet.

 

[sampollock]

They weren't going to move him until late in the trade deadline when they finally acquiesced.

Years after that trade we are still getting a cromulent 4/5 RD for Barron; so it's not like his value has eroded massively to the point that he's just being dumped for absolutely nothing.

This is such a stupid trend this board does - as soon as the outcome of something has been solidified from a Habs perspective, they rewrite history. Oh Barron is a bum, he had no value, we got fleeced, Avs were hoping to dump this clown, oh he sucked as soon as he touched down for us.

Everything has to be this cataclysmic event that points to sheer incompetence that proves we are in a directionless ship that will yield nothing but misery.

This board needs therapy.

so agree... like fig fans on GM's guy is fired and he is a bum case : Mr peabody

same goes the other way. like PL head case blah and now love him.
make a stand and live by it

 

[habdynasty]

Get over it already

 

[LaP]

He was in the midst of a 0.5PPG rookie season in the AHL when we acquired him. He was still looked upon as a good prospect when we acquired him.

Those guys were available because we had a commodity they wanted (Lehkonen) and Barron didn't help them at that point but Lehkonen did.

Newhook was available because they needed draft currency to get Colton and they didn't feel they could wait around for Newhook to develop while they were competing.

Must have been a reason why Zibanejad was available? Must have been a reason why Filip Forsberg was available? You are just dealing with future pieces and the range of outcomes are vast and volatile.

They got very good value on Lehkonen, the main piece didn't hit. That is the cost of a rebuild and acquiring futures. It was a good trade with an outcome that did not net us the upside we thought we were going to get with Barron.

It's crazy that some people think that after 50 AHL games at 20 years old (just turned) the Avs had made a final evaluation of Barron and were sure he was a bust. It's insane.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think we, myself included, would have appreciated Lehkonen a lot more if we had talent on the team. The problem is his GM was fixated on just having a team of Lehkonens, so he never stood out. Of course when he goes to a team that is full of talent, we see what he brings.

Kind of like Kovacevic. Our entire defence was just guys that play simple, boring hockey + Matheson. It made sense to get rid of him.

We definitely would have - Lehkonen provided an excellent complement to the horses in Colorado.

Moving on from Kovacevic was the lowest hanging fruit possible. He was also going to go. As was Harris. These were foregone conclusions on the defensive end. I don't understand being mad about letting Kovacevic go. We had him and he didn't make a difference and wouldn't have made a difference for us this year either.

 

[River Meadow]

He got a 2nd with that player and leveraged it for Hage. Again, we’d make that trade again in a heartbeat.

You can’t just ignore the rest of the trade. Even if Baron does nothing - we still got that other piece.

Moreover, trading Baron away might turn out to be something we regret in the long run. We just don’t know yet.

That's fair I guess but boy we are grasping at straws a bit trying to justify it..

Yeah, if Barron turns out good this will be epic.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I was expecting another Justin to leave but that's ok. I can't stand Beiber.