Player Discussion: Alexander Romanov

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It must be convenient for Devils and Leafs fans to blame all of their struggles on Lou. Fact of the matter is two things f***ed the Devils:

1.) Kovy randomly retiring
2.) Parise leaving around the same time as Kovy leaving

If Kovy doesn't retire the Devils would have been fine.
Maybe. But let's please not discount the amount of contracts Lou signed that were so bad that players needed to be bought out. The most recent Zaitsev contract dump was another reminder to me how bad he is at overpaying players.

Bad Contracts NJD
Cory Schneider - 6 x 7 in 2014. due to injury, but who signs a goaltender to 7 years at age 29? This rarely ever works out.
Mike Cammelleri - 5 x 5 in 2014. bought out
Anton Volchenkov - 4.25 x 6 in 2010. bought out
Brian Rolston - 5 x 4 in 2008. it was an age 35+ signing
Ryan Clowe - 4.85 x 4 in 2013.
Travis Zajac - 5.75 x 8 in 2013.

These are just the big ticket guys. Lou just doesn't get it. He loves certain types of players. And is willing to overpay for them. Cammelleri is an outlier. He's the only one that doesn't fit the Lou type.

Bad Contracts Tor
Patrick Marleau - 6.25 x 3. They needed to give the canes a 1st (Seth Jarvis) just to dump this contract.
Nikita Zaitsev - 4.5 x 7. Contract just got dumped for the 2nd time. Lou clearly didn't know he wasn't good.
Matt Martin - 2.5 x 4. Yep

Toronto was smart enough to move on before he did any more damage. For all those who are "not everything he did was bad" crowd. I understand that. But a GM that consistently makes bad bets on high ticket, long-term items, is bad at his job. Lou hasn't been very good in the Cap era building rosters. Let's stop pretending.
 
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everything you wrote is meaningless when Sorokin needs to sign to stay here and Varly might be gone . The Russian kid needs some countrymen on this squad . Don’t believe this doesn’t happen everywhere. Tr91tor was the reason some of the moves made were done by Snow .
We need to have the Sorokin discussion. Lou has wasted the last 2 years of an elite goaltender. He is signed through age 28. He will be 29 at the start of his next contract.

My best guess is it will take 10 x 8 to sign him, taking him through age 36 season.

Our core at the start of his age 29 season:

Barzal: 27
Horvat: 29
Lee: 34
Nelson: 33
Palmieri: 34
Pageau: 32
Wahlstrom: 24
Pulock: 30
Pelech: 30
Dobson: 25

Keep in mind we have nothing in terms of blue chippers coming up (perhaps Dufour, Bolduc). That's a lot of money invested in likely declining players. As we know with goalies, with very few exceptions, long expensive contracts don't age well. We couldn't even make it work with him making pennies the last two seasons with most of this core being in their "prime."

I don't know the answer to this question, but would we better of trading him? Is his value more as a trade chip compared to being a 10 x 8 goalie in his 30s? He's so good that I don't know the right answer but it's an interesting discussion I believe. Unless we get a new GM, there are likely dark times ahead. Would it be better using the Bruins/Canes/Avs model of going cheap at goalie while building the rest of the team? Obviously Lou can't be allowed to do the building, but with someone who is able to squeeze value out of signings, trades, and draft picks would that put us in a better spot to compete?
 

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Considering we could've had de Haan of Gustaffsson or about 100 other cheap defenseman to provide the same value at a lower cost cap-wise and costing nothing in trade value, it's infuriating to Isles fans like myself to have a GM who is so bad at talent evaluation.
My talent evaluation model says Matt Donavan would’ve been the best option.

Toronto was smart enough to move on before he did any more damage.
Yes, but what has Toronto actually moved on to other than accolades from the Hockey/Toronto Social/media echo chambers who base success on their own prescribed metrics?
 
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Our core at the start of his age 29 season:

Barzal: 27
Horvat: 29

Lee: 34
Nelson: 33
Palmieri: 34
Pageau: 32
Wahlstrom: 24
Pulock: 30
Pelech: 30
Dobson: 25

The bolded is the core. You can add Lee I suppose due to captaincy and length of contract.
 
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Main issue with Romanov is positioning and gap control. He has poor defensive instincts and should be much better given how bad he is offensively. He has poor hockey IQ as well, which goes with gap control and positioning issues. In the offensive zone, once he touches the puck, the play is basically over as it gets blocked or he does the least useful thing with it.

I think he has issues with his gap when he's trying to throw a hit, but it's not an all the time thing. He's overly aggressive at times and it pulls him out of position. I don't think he's bad offensively, in the sense that he's making poor choices, in fact I think he makes the correct choice a lot. He just isn't a good finisher or playmaker so those plays don't develop into anything. He jumps into holes and is mobile enough to join the rush, wish there was more finish there though. He gets his shot blocked, but not at a higher rate than anyone else. I find him less frustrating offensively than Pulock has been.

He's played less than 200 games in the NHL, is 23 years old, and has a new career high in points this year. His PIMs are down as well. Maybe we give him a bit more time before proclaiming him to be a bust.

With that being said, I know he's young. He's not terrible. He's not good. He's an adequate bottom pairing defenseman. Again, this was all predictable based on his micro stats from his days with the Canadiens. The problem will always be the cost paid to get him. Frank Nazar was chosen with the pick he was traded for. At the moment, he has more trade value. The trade was bad at the time. Still bad now. Then we gave him 2.5 mil, which isn't a lot, but still an overpayment given he's an average bottom pairing defenseman. So we basically gave up a top 50 NHL prospect for a bottom pairing dman who is currently worth league minimum in terms of production.

Considering we could've had de Haan of Gustaffsson or about 100 other cheap defenseman to provide the same value at a lower cost cap-wise and costing nothing in trade value, it's infuriating to Isles fans like myself to have a GM who is so bad at talent evaluation. I'm still holding out hope that Romanov somehow becomes good, and I'd gladly take the L on that. Otherwise, it's another to a long list of moves Lou has made to set the franchise back.

It's a good thing that he's young, has skills like shot blocking, hitting, and being mobile, and that is why he came at a higher cost. I think there may be an overvaluation of prospects happening again. I'm not familiar with Frank Nazar, but it's tough to know how successful a top 50 NHL prospect will be in the long run. Have players like Koivula or Strome ever been ranked that high? I'm not sure which list we're going by (Pronman?), and honestly, I don't pay much attention to those rankings. In my opinion, having an NHL defenseman, even if they're not the best, is much more valuable than a top 50 prospect who may turn into an NHLer someday.

Gustaffson or de Haan might've been able to help the same amount as Romanov is this year (though I don't think they would), but this was more of a long term play than a short term one. Lamoriello is banking on Romanov being around a while.
 

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My talent evaluation model says Matt Donavan would’ve been the best option.


Yes, but what has Toronto actually moved on to other than accolades from the Hockey/Toronto Social/media echo chambers of based on their own prescribed metrics of what determines success?
This Toronto media narrative is so stupid. It's an elite team that has struggled to make headway the last few seasons against elite opponents. They have made adjustments and have become a stronger defensive team as well. They are consistently over 100 points. They have been a top team in the East every year and have stumbled in the playoffs for various reasons. They've made improvements every year and remain relevant every year. Last year's Lightning series was a coin flip, a fantastic season with two elite teams.

If it makes you feel better by downplaying their accomplishments, so be it. I'd take their roster and their "failures" over ours any day of the week. They don't have to claw into the playoffs and cross their fingers their goalie steals some games for them. Let's look in the mirror as Isles fans and be honest with where we are in comparison to the Leafs. One franchise has improved each season, one fell in love with itself thinking it was better than it actually was.
 

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Maybe. But let's please not discount the amount of contracts Lou signed that were so bad that players needed to be bought out. The most recent Zaitsev contract dump was another reminder to me how bad he is at overpaying players.

Bad Contracts NJD
Cory Schneider - 6 x 7 in 2014. due to injury, but who signs a goaltender to 7 years at age 29? This rarely ever works out.
Mike Cammelleri - 5 x 5 in 2014. bought out
Anton Volchenkov - 4.25 x 6 in 2010. bought out
Brian Rolston - 5 x 4 in 2008. it was an age 35+ signing
Ryan Clowe - 4.85 x 4 in 2013.
Travis Zajac - 5.75 x 8 in 2013.

These are just the big ticket guys. Lou just doesn't get it. He loves certain types of players. And is willing to overpay for them. Cammelleri is an outlier. He's the only one that doesn't fit the Lou type.

Bad Contracts Tor
Patrick Marleau - 6.25 x 3. They needed to give the canes a 1st (Seth Jarvis) just to dump this contract.
Nikita Zaitsev - 4.5 x 7. Contract just got dumped for the 2nd time. Lou clearly didn't know he wasn't good.
Matt Martin - 2.5 x 4. Yep

Toronto was smart enough to move on before he did any more damage. For all those who are "not everything he did was bad" crowd. I understand that. But a GM that consistently makes bad bets on high ticket, long-term items, is bad at his job. Lou hasn't been very good in the Cap era building rosters. Let's stop pretending.

I have to somewhat laugh at the Matt Martin one. Have you been disappointed in his time here?

Marleau contract I have always found interesting. Year 1 he scored 27 goals for Toronto and 4 goals in the playoff series they had. He was brought in as a vet piece to help the young guns grow. Year 2 he scored 37 points which was not great but was limited once Tavares was brought in.

When Lou left Toronto he handed Dubas one of the youngest teams in the league with tons of cap space. Toronto has gotten older with zero success since Lou left.

Cammelleri had the following seasons for NJ:

42 points in 68 games (27 goals)
38 points in 42 games
31 points in 61 games

Once Lou had left NJ they began to go in a different direction and bought him out. It was for a year or two long but that is what happens in free agency.

When you are a GM as long as Lou is there are bound to be bad contracts and trades. To discount him turning around two of the largest laughing stocks in the league in Toronto and NYI is interesting though. How were they doing before he came in?
 
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This Toronto media narrative is so stupid. It's an elite team that has struggled to make headway the last few seasons against elite opponents. They have made adjustments and have become a stronger defensive team as well. They are consistently over 100 points. They have been a top team in the East every year and have stumbled in the playoffs for various reasons. They've made improvements every year and remain relevant every year. Last year's Lightning series was a coin flip, a fantastic season with two elite teams.

If it makes you feel better by downplaying their accomplishments, so be it. I'd take their roster and their "failures" over ours any day of the week. They don't have to claw into the playoffs and cross their fingers their goalie steals some games for them. Let's look in the mirror as Isles fans and be honest with where we are in comparison to the Leafs. One franchise has improved each season, one fell in love with itself thinking it was better than it actually was.

You'd rather be Toronto the last five years than the NYI? This is so confusing. How?
 

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It's a good thing that he's young, has skills like shot blocking, hitting, and being mobile, and that is why he came at a higher cost. I think there may be an overvaluation of prospects happening again. I'm not familiar with Frank Nazar, but it's tough to know how successful a top 50 NHL prospect will be in the long run. Have players like Koivula or Strome ever been ranked that high? I'm not sure which list we're going by (Pronman?), and honestly, I don't pay much attention to those rankings. In my opinion, having an NHL defenseman, even if they're not the best, is much more valuable than a top 50 prospect who may turn into an NHLer someday.

Gustaffson or de Haan might've been able to help the same amount as Romanov is this year (though I don't think they would), but this was more of a long term play than a short term one. Lamoriello is banking on Romanov being around a while.
Isles weren't in a position to wait around for a Nazar, who is about 3 years away from contributing. Point is, his value is higher than that of Romanov. I don't think Romanov has moved the needle much at all this season. He hasn't been an improvement over Chara either. His individual skills are decent and there is room to grow, but we did trade him to be a top 4 dman this season with room to grow. Problem is, he has never shown that kind of potential. He is a top 6 defenseman that can grow into a top 4.

You don't give up that much in value for a player you don't think is already a top 4 defenseman in waiting. I think Lou and his staff overrated him. Margins become so thin when you have a barren prospect pool and you consistently give away 1st round picks. The opportunity cost mounts with every unsuccessful move. The window is now. Not when Lee and Nelson is 34-35. If you didn't think Romanov was a top 4 dman now, you don't make that move. Just my opinion.
 

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I have to somewhat laugh at the Matt Martin one. Have you been disappointed in his time here?

Marleau contract I have always found interesting. Year 1 he scored 27 goals for Toronto and 4 goals in the playoff series they had. He was brought in as a vet piece to help the young guns grow. Year 2 he scored 37 points which was not great but was limited once Tavares was brought in.

When Lou left Toronto he handed Dubas one of the youngest teams in the league with tons of cap space. Toronto has gotten older with zero success since Lou left.

Cammelleri had the following seasons for NJ:

42 points in 68 games (27 goals)
38 points in 42 games
31 points in 61 games

Once Lou had left NJ they began to go in a different direction and bought him out. It was for a year or two long but that is what happens in free agency.

When you are a GM as long as Lou is there are bound to be bad contracts and trades. To discount him turning around two of the largest laughing stocks in the league in Toronto and NYI is interesting though. How were they doing before he came in?
Not discounting the turnaround. More disappointed in the lack of execution of taking that next step. Getting people to shave is one thing. Builds professionalism. Now what? How is it that the team failed to improve each year? The current depth is unacceptable. You expect this kind of depth on a team with 4+ elite players. It doesn't make sense that a team with a plethora of 3rd liners and bottom 4 dmen has no organizational depth, doesn't play with any accountability or identity, gets pummeled in scoring chance generation mostly every game is spending to the cap.

That's on the GM and poor cap and asset management.
 

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This Toronto media narrative is so stupid. It's an elite team that has struggled to make headway the last few seasons against elite opponents. They have made adjustments and have become a stronger defensive team as well. They are consistently over 100 points. They have been a top team in the East every year and have stumbled in the playoffs for various reasons. They've made improvements every year and remain relevant every year. Last year's Lightning series was a coin flip, a fantastic season with two elite teams.

If it makes you feel better by downplaying their accomplishments, so be it. I'd take their roster and their "failures" over ours any day of the week. They don't have to claw into the playoffs and cross their fingers their goalie steals some games for them. Let's look in the mirror as Isles fans and be honest with where we are in comparison to the Leafs. One franchise has improved each season, one fell in love with itself thinking it was better than it actually was.
Narratives all around indeed… including the one where they have had success? What success? Even in a division that was practically tailored for them… the all-Canada Division. They still failed in the playoffs.

If you are asking to be honest with ourselves… I would’ve absolutely have taken Toronto’s roster over the Isles BEFORE they signed Tavares.

I would’ve also had not panicked with moving Marleau or Kadri. I also wouldn’t have brought in the likes of Tyson Barrie.

I wanted the Isles to acquire ROR after Tavares left. Toronto in fact would’ve been better served trading for him instead.

More than five consecutive first round post season exits is not a sign of misfortune or bad playoff models. It’s an ineffective built team that doesn’t recognize that the nature of playoff hockey is different to regular season.

With that said, five years after Tavares signed, now the leafs are paying capital for the kinds of players they actually need to round out their roster. I like the Leafs chance of advancing if they face Tampa.

My concern for them is that their regular season goaltending will fail them at some point. Maybe next year they will focus on that.

I also think they would be better served with some of the advanced metric black holes of players that you scoffed at in earlier posts… Luke Schenn and Matt Martin.
 

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You'd rather be Toronto the last five years than the NYI? This is so confusing. How?
To me, process and context is more important than results. The true gauge of how good a team is the regular season. It's an 82 game sample. What makes the NHL fun, is that the playoffs are much more random especially with the idiotic playoff format. in a 7 game series anybody can be beaten regardless of how good you were during a season.

During the last 5 seasons, Toronto has averaged 107 pts/82gp during the regular season up to this point. The Isles are at 95 pts/82 gp up to this point. They have been the far superior regular season team.

Now the Isles had two magical runs in two shortened seasons. The bubble run was the more impressive one. They were fantastic. They eventually lost to the Lightning after a great run. The following regular season, they were great and played at a 105 pt pace, Toronto was at 113. However, the Isles weren't very good in the playoffs that season. They won because Tukka was hurt and was terrible. Same was true against Jarry and the Pens. The Isles should've been eliminated in the first round based on play. They got lucky because they ran into historically bad goaltending. Re-watch those games. Eventually they lost to the Lightning. Should've been a red flag for Lou, but nope. Again the team doesn't improve. Then you have the last two seasons.

These last two seasons, Toronto continues to improve and have become more Trotz-esque in the way they defend. The last two seasons, Leafs are at 115 and 111 point pace. Last season they series with the Lightning was a coin flip. They were a much better team than in previous playoffs. Adjustments have been made every year both in style and personnel. This year they are again cup contenders.

Leafs have been relevant for 5 seasons. Isles have only been relevant for the first 3 - mainly due to Trotz. The last two years, the wheels have fallen off because of this inability or resistance to change/improvement. Leafs process has been much better than the Isles.
 

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Isles weren't in a position to wait around for a Nazar, who is about 3 years away from contributing. Point is, his value is higher than that of Romanov. I don't think Romanov has moved the needle much at all this season. He hasn't been an improvement over Chara either. His individual skills are decent and there is room to grow, but we did trade him to be a top 4 dman this season with room to grow. Problem is, he has never shown that kind of potential. He is a top 6 defenseman that can grow into a top 4.

You don't give up that much in value for a player you don't think is already a top 4 defenseman in waiting. I think Lou and his staff overrated him. Margins become so thin when you have a barren prospect pool and you consistently give away 1st round picks. The opportunity cost mounts with every unsuccessful move. The window is now. Not when Lee and Nelson is 34-35. If you didn't think Romanov was a top 4 dman now, you don't make that move. Just my opinion.

According to whom? I certainly don't think that. You think someone is more likely to trade a 1st for Nazar than they are Romanov at this point? Seems like wishful thinking right now.
 

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To me, process and context is more important than results. The true gauge of how good a team is the regular season. It's an 82 game sample. What makes the NHL fun, is that the playoffs are much more random especially with the idiotic playoff format. in a 7 game series anybody can be beaten regardless of how good you were during a season.

During the last 5 seasons, Toronto has averaged 107 pts/82gp during the regular season up to this point. The Isles are at 95 pts/82 gp up to this point. They have been the far superior regular season team.

Now the Isles had two magical runs in two shortened seasons. The bubble run was the more impressive one. They were fantastic. They eventually lost to the Lightning after a great run. The following regular season, they were great and played at a 105 pt pace, Toronto was at 113. However, the Isles weren't very good in the playoffs that season. They won because Tukka was hurt and was terrible. Same was true against Jarry and the Pens. The Isles should've been eliminated in the first round based on play. They got lucky because they ran into historically bad goaltending. Re-watch those games. Eventually they lost to the Lightning. Should've been a red flag for Lou, but nope. Again the team doesn't improve. Then you have the last two seasons.

These last two seasons, Toronto continues to improve and have become more Trotz-esque in the way they defend. The last two seasons, Leafs are at 115 and 111 point pace. Last season they series with the Lightning was a coin flip. They were a much better team than in previous playoffs. Adjustments have been made every year both in style and personnel. This year they are again cup contenders.

Leafs have been relevant for 5 seasons. Isles have only been relevant for the first 3 - mainly due to Trotz. The last two years, the wheels have fallen off because of this inability or resistance to change/improvement. Leafs process has been much better than the Isles.

The point is to win the Stanley Cup, not the President's Trophy. Teams are building their teams to win one of those trophies and not necessarily the other, but you're insisting on judging them on the one that doesn't matter.
 

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Historical example of a cause for concern regarding Lamoriello’s player evaluation with Romanov.

Lou Lamoriello has always seemed to want to replicate some of Scott Steven’s contributions to his lineups. One such signing was former Senator Anton Volchenkov signed to play for the Devils.

Russian similarities aside, both players shared very similar build, skill level and hitting and checking ability. Both were average with defensive reads. Volchenkov was older and more of a finished product. His style lead to many injuries. Not sure what impacted him more, injuries or diminishing defensive play... but ultimately they had to move on from him.

Romanov is still young, has a solid skill set. But yes there is a risk that his benefits were overvalued over his deficiencies. But there is also a risk that the pick used to acquire him wouldn’t amount to anything better.

Ultimately, I’ll wait for him to reach 300 or so games before declaring him as anything other than a question mark and work in progress with potential.

EDIT: Also @JPIsles18 as per our other exchanges, and continuing with the use of past examples. These recent Leafs teams also remind me an awful lot of the Ottawa Senators from the late 90’s through the mid 2000’s. Excellent regular season teams that could not manage playoff series.
 
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To me, process and context is more important than results. The true gauge of how good a team is the regular season. It's an 82 game sample. What makes the NHL fun, is that the playoffs are much more random especially with the idiotic playoff format. in a 7 game series anybody can be beaten regardless of how good you were during a season.

During the last 5 seasons, Toronto has averaged 107 pts/82gp during the regular season up to this point. The Isles are at 95 pts/82 gp up to this point. They have been the far superior regular season team.

Now the Isles had two magical runs in two shortened seasons. The bubble run was the more impressive one. They were fantastic. They eventually lost to the Lightning after a great run. The following regular season, they were great and played at a 105 pt pace, Toronto was at 113. However, the Isles weren't very good in the playoffs that season. They won because Tukka was hurt and was terrible. Same was true against Jarry and the Pens. The Isles should've been eliminated in the first round based on play. They got lucky because they ran into historically bad goaltending. Re-watch those games. Eventually they lost to the Lightning. Should've been a red flag for Lou, but nope. Again the team doesn't improve. Then you have the last two seasons.

These last two seasons, Toronto continues to improve and have become more Trotz-esque in the way they defend. The last two seasons, Leafs are at 115 and 111 point pace. Last season they series with the Lightning was a coin flip. They were a much better team than in previous playoffs. Adjustments have been made every year both in style and personnel. This year they are again cup contenders.

Leafs have been relevant for 5 seasons. Isles have only been relevant for the first 3 - mainly due to Trotz. The last two years, the wheels have fallen off because of this inability or resistance to change/improvement. Leafs process has been much better than the Isles.

It is not a coincidence that Toronto has lost in the first round every one of the last five years. When the playoffs are the only thing that truly counts that is the true gauge of a good team.

Toronto should have made the Conference Finals easily but lost to Montreal after choking a 3-1 series lead (again).

Islanders are also currently in a playoff position, how are they not currently relevant?
 

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Main issue with Romanov is positioning and gap control. He has poor defensive instincts and should be much better given how bad he is offensively. He has poor hockey IQ as well, which goes with gap control and positioning issues. In the offensive zone, once he touches the puck, the play is basically over as it gets blocked or he does the least useful thing with it.

With that being said, I know he's young. He's not terrible. He's not good. He's an adequate bottom pairing defenseman. Again, this was all predictable based on his micro stats from his days with the Canadiens. The problem will always be the cost paid to get him. Frank Nazar was chosen with the pick he was traded for. At the moment, he has more trade value. The trade was bad at the time. Still bad now. Then we gave him 2.5 mil, which isn't a lot, but still an overpayment given he's an average bottom pairing defenseman. So we basically gave up a top 50 NHL prospect for a bottom pairing dman who is currently worth league minimum in terms of production.

Considering we could've had de Haan of Gustaffsson or about 100 other cheap defenseman to provide the same value at a lower cost cap-wise and costing nothing in trade value, it's infuriating to Isles fans like myself to have a GM who is so bad at talent evaluation. I'm still holding out hope that Romanov somehow becomes good, and I'd gladly take the L on that. Otherwise, it's another to a long list of moves Lou has made to set the franchise back.

de Haan initially left the Isles after years of the team investing time and money throughout his injury plagued years to join, Carolina, where he only knew one player at the time in Skinner. He specifically noted that him and his wife went there because they wanted to settle in and live in the area.

Carolina dumped him after one year and he still went running back at the first opportunity. That tells you all you need to know about him and his hockey priorities. The only way he might have returned was if the Isles overpaid significantly and that is foolish.

I actually liked Gustafsson and thought he might stick at the time. However, he didn't and Trotz was the coach. If Trotz wanted to keep him, I am sure the Isles would have. That isn't on Lou.

If you want to make a point and push your narrative forward, at least bring reasonable examples. And please look beyond the surface numbers.

Romanov is 23-years old and is learning on the job at the NHL level. He has had ups and downs but, even though people keep complaining about his offense, he is 79th in points among defensemen.

Last time I checked, with 32 NHL teams, he is right around your typical #3 among defensemen for points. That isn't bad.

To add further perspective, at Romanov's age, Devon Toews had just graduated from chasing coeds around at Quinnipiac and was starting his Bridgeport career. He took years to develop at the AHL level and really only took off once traded to Colorado and getting to play alongside a generational player in Makar. Romanov is playing alongside guys like Mayfield.

I really just can't anymore. Please apply some common sense and cast a wider gaze going forward.

The point is to win the Stanley Cup, not the President's Trophy. Teams are building their teams to win one of those trophies and not necessarily the other, but you're insisting on judging them on the one that doesn't matter.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious and that the Stanley Cup is the goal and not a participation trophy. That you even had to do that is mind-boggling. Wow. Just wow.
 
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I noticed he had the full face shield on today. Did he get injured recently or is he just trying to avoid getting jumped for clean hits?
 

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The point is to win the Stanley Cup, not the President's Trophy. Teams are building their teams to win one of those trophies and not necessarily the other, but you're insisting on judging them on the one that doesn't matter.
The one that doesn’t matter is sexier and more fun to watch over 6 months.
 

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I noticed he had the full face shield on today. Did he get injured recently or is he just trying to avoid getting jumped for clean hits?

Players cannot wear a full face shield unless they are injured. He got banged up a few weeks back and has been wearing one since. It should be coming off soon-ish I think.
 
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Players cannot wear a full face shield unless they are injured. He got banged up a few weeks back and has been wearing one since. It should be coming off soon-ish I think.
Really? You can’t wear a safer piece of equipment if you choose to? Not like it enhances your game or something. Seems dumb.
 

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Really? You can’t wear a safer piece of equipment if you choose to? Not like it enhances your game or something. Seems dumb.
Yep, that's why you don't see anyone wearing it unless they're injured. I think it's because collisions with a cage could cause serious issues for other players but that's just a guess.
 

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de Haan initially left the Isles after years of the team investing time and money throughout his injury plagued years to join, Carolina, where he only knew one player at the time in Skinner. He specifically noted that him and his wife went there because they wanted to settle in and live in the area.

Carolina dumped him after one year and he still went running back at the first opportunity. That tells you all you need to know about him and his hockey priorities. The only way he might have returned was if the Isles overpaid significantly and that is foolish.

I actually liked Gustafsson and thought he might stick at the time. However, he didn't and Trotz was the coach. If Trotz wanted to keep him, I am sure the Isles would have. That isn't on Lou.

If you want to make a point and push your narrative forward, at least bring reasonable examples. And please look beyond the surface numbers.

Romanov is 23-years old and is learning on the job at the NHL level. He has had ups and downs but, even though people keep complaining about his offense, he is 79th in points among defensemen.

Last time I checked, with 32 NHL teams, he is right around your typical #3 among defensemen for points. That isn't bad.

To add further perspective, at Romanov's age, Devon Toews had just graduated from chasing coeds around at Quinnipiac and was starting his Bridgeport career. He took years to develop at the AHL level and really only took off once traded to Colorado and getting to play alongside a generational player in Makar. Romanov is playing alongside guys like Mayfield.


I really just can't anymore. Please apply some common sense and cast a wider gaze going forward.



Thank you for pointing out the obvious and that the Stanley Cup is the goal and not a participation trophy. That you even had to do that is mind-boggling. Wow. Just wow.
That's fine an all, but the Islanders needed someone who could step in and play top four minutes immediately, not learn on the job.

I would be trying to trade him in a package for Chychrun...
 

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Marleau contract I have always found interesting. Year 1 he scored 27 goals for Toronto and 4 goals in the playoff series they had. He was brought in as a vet piece to help the young guns grow. Year 2 he scored 37 points which was not great but was limited once Tavares was brought in.

When Lou left Toronto he handed Dubas one of the youngest teams in the league with tons of cap space. Toronto has gotten older with zero success since Lou left.
Yeah, the biggest problem with Marleau wasn't Lou signing him, it was Dubas forcing himself into a position where he had to trade him.
 

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