Rumor: Alexander Nikishin contract dispute?

The Staals did it multiple times. Scott Neidermayer did it too.

More recently:

The Benn brothers
Nylander brothers
Jones brothers

It's literally happened like a dozen times lol
I can name a pair that didn't play together for every one you can find that did. Hardly an argument.

It'd be cool to see them play together but the thought of either Luke or Quinn making a career out of 3D and PP2 kinda sucks.
 
Okay, so that's 50%. Not great odds, especially when the player has already expressed interest in playing with his brothers. The three of them are extremely close.
How many of the brother pairs you previously mentioned were star players playing together in their prime? Nucks have 2 x more years with Quinn and a lot can happen in 2 years.
 
What?

I think Hutson is a very, very good player and can reach Hughes-level, can compete for Norris trophies, and will be a dominant offensive force in this league for many years. That doesn't change the fact that he was deployed in a highly sheltered role this season. Everything I said was a fact, lol.

I think Demidov will be a Kaprizov-level player in the NHL, aka one of the best wingers in the game and a top-10/15 ish player overall. That doesn't change the fact that he's been pedestrian in his first 5 NHL games outside of his first one.

More than one thing can be true at a time.

Finally, Nikishin is phenomenal and is definitely the best non-NHL player in the world, and the only people in this thread arguing against that are Habs fans who get triggered if anyone dares suggest Demidov isn't Ovechkin 2.0.
Hutson isn’t sheltered at all, and hasn’t been since before he took over the PP1 spot in November, if he even was up to that point.

If zone starts is what you’re going by, wait until you lookup Hughes, Makar, or Fox’s zone starts - “sHeLtEreD” lmao
 
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How many of the brother pairs you previously mentioned were star players playing together in their prime? Nucks have 2 x more years with Quinn and a lot can happen in 2 years.
How many star groups of brothers have their been in the last 20 years?

Staals, Schenns, and Neidermayers all did it. Probably the 3 highest profile brother groups in recent memory outside of the Hughes and Tkachuk brothers.

It's incredibly common for brothers to find a way to play together.
 
How many star groups of brothers have their been in the last 20 years?

Staals, Schenns, and Neidermayers all did it. Probably the 3 highest profile brother groups in recent memory outside of the Hughes and Tkachuk brothers.

It's incredibly common for brothers to find a way to play together.
I don't recall a brother combo doing it when they were all in their prime. Other than the Sedins...
 
I’ve said multiple times I question the guy so I hope that’s not directed at me. That doesn’t mean I don’t respect what’s been accomplished.

After ten years of suck making the playoffs every year and winning at least one round every single time makes them one of the most consistent teams in the NHL at being near the top. All under him. So yeah, that’s a decent amount of success. They’ve done it all without a superstar, minimal offensive talent, middling goaltending without sinking their cap with a single crippling contract. They just lost their second pair amongst others, and despite what most of us thought they still made the playoffs easily in what is a transition year.
Zero wins after the second round when you’re consistently considered contenders really isn’t impressive
 
Okay, so that's 50%. Not great odds, especially when the player has already expressed interest in playing with his brothers. The three of them are extremely close.
Why wait until he's UFA if what he wants is play through his prime with his brothers? It would of been very easy for him as an athlete of that caliber to force Vancouver's hand if that's what he truly wanted.
 
But there were basically no drafted defensemen out of the KHL who reached his level. Who's even his closest comparable? Yes, a bunch of undrafted guys like Zaitsev or Antipin were stars in the KHL but their pedigree was very different.
The question is is Nikishin in the KHL that long because he doesn't have that pedigree of a Sergachev? All the other comparables jumped at 19-21. 21 was when Nikishin broke out. Sergachev won the cup at that age. Or is it because he felt it was the best development opportunity? It wasn't a Zaitsev situation where nobody drafted him and nobody wanted him. His explosion also went hand-in-hand with moving to SKA, getting to play with his pick of the best KHL forwards. Same team that were so deep they were able to play mind games with Michkov and Demidov. I know the argument is a the year he led SKA in scoring, but a common theme is Nikishin played all the games and most forwards sat at least 10-15, showing they were resting guys. Team also got cratered in the playoffs as the heavy favourites multiple times with Nikishin playing the most minutes. Obviously he signed the SKA deal at 20 because Carolina wasn't interested then.

You're right though, there is essentially no comparable at D. That's why skepticism is founded though. Who knows what the first of his kind is going to do? It's not even hating. There's just a wild amount of hype and shitposting involved with Nikishin. It's very unlikely he becomes Pronger-like. I don't think Victor Hedman is even as good as Pronger, and Pronger was the lite version of Larry Robinson. I don't think Nikishin is a top 3 prospect but he might become a real immediate top 4 threat. And it would be a disappointment if he didn't because he'll be 24 starting next season. His stats hitting a wall in the KHL also suggest that he is just as reliant on his forwards for creating offense.

But he's nothing like Hutson who led his top 3 ranked NCAA team in scoring as a rookie and set the record for best rookie season. The merits of their accomplishments are completely different, but for some reason it's become "if hutson can do it nikishin can do it". As if Hutson didn't do more with lesser team mates. Hutson matched Nikishin's totals in the KHL last season with 30 less games played, they're not even remotely comparable with the puck. Which is why I think you're seeing so much backlash to Nikishin's hype team. Cause Hutson passed Makar and Hughes in the NCAA and now the NHL for rookie seasons. Directly comparable. Hutson directly outplayed Norris winning dmen comparable to their play at his age. There's never been a Russian Norris winner. Zubov's single third place and Konstantinov's likely undeserved second place finish (Lidstrom gapped him in all comparable metrics and started his dominance over top 3 Norris finishes the next season. Bowman even matched Lidstrom up against the "Legion of Doom" and obliterated them) are the only instances.

Meanwhile, Damir Sharipzyanov is having better KHL seasons than Nikishin, and he was a pretty mid prospect in both the OHL and NHL. LA sent him down to the ECHL even and he became a #1D in the KHL within two years. Trevor Murphy is leading his KHL team in scoring. Tons of d in fact are having randomly huge breakouts in the KHL since less imports have been willing to go to the KHL due to the Ukraine war. It kinda just hints that the KHL is a weaker league now, as a lot of teams used their imports on dmen in the past. Plus the sheer number of top Russian goalies that are playing in the NHL. Yes he's 29, but Nikishin is pretty close to the ripeness of his prime.

But who knows. if Rod the Bod ever puts Nikishin in he might immediately be their best dman. I can't imagine he doesn't ask for a trade if he gets 0 playoff games in while watching less-ready Demidov get prime minutes and thrown back on the ice even after costly turnovers to increasing confidence and ice time each game. Which you would think is the opposite since Carolina are heavy favourites over an injured New Jersey and would be the easiest series to break Nikishin into, while Montreal are fighting for their lives and would theoretically want all the experience they can get. SKA didn't even release Gritsyuk early when the Devils have some key forward injuries. Of course Nikishin will feel slighted and speak through his agent. It just means Carolina management and coaching themselves don't believe he's as good as he's hyped to be. Like they're not going to sit Orlov or Burns, and everyone else is signed for next year. It kind of signals to Nikishin he's walking into camp in Rod's eyes as the #7 next season; especially if they re-sign Orlov since Rod really loves LD/RD more than most coaches.

I just know I'd be fuming in the opposite situation if MSL were benching Demidov for guys who will be gone next year. Or how we were fuming when Ducharme was using Caufield on the fourth line and he had 50 goals in 82 games after MSL took over.

Anyways, it will be interesting to see how good Nikishin actually is in an NHL environment. It will certainly affect how Russia is scouted if he can pan out. Like how Ryan McDonagh fooled tons of scouts, including Trevor Timmins who picked McDonagh, into drafting out of US High schools. Or how Chara/Byfuglien got tons of 6'5 plus or fat people drafted. Habs stole Romanov in the second because nobody watched him play and they had a European combine where he blew them away. They picked him early second worrying another team might have saw him and would grab him before 56. If Nikishin hits I think you'll see more second round picks being thrown at Russian prospects. Like how Finland had a mini-resurgence a few years ago.

tl;dr Nikishin doesn't have a direct comparable and it works for and against him. For that reason you can't really say he's better or worse than other prospects. It's not hating to point out others are better. It's not glazing to say he could be the best prospect, but it's unfounded since you can't argue it with conventional metrics. It's hating to say he's a nothing prospect, but not hating to suggest he might only be a top 4. It's not homering to say he could be a first pairing D, but it certainly is hyperbolic to suggest he's the consensus best prospect outside of the NHL with more upside than Lane Hutson. The way his team is using him does not inspire the confidence towards the latter opinion, but Cole Caufield, amongst many others, is proof sometimes coaches are just wrong.

Hope he plays soon to be honest, I like seeing hyped players debut.
 
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Rakell is career 50-60 point player and that’s generous as he has only hit 60 points what 3 times.

I don’t care that you don’t want Rakell, but this is a really dumb statement

So he’s absolutely a 50-60 point player if he’s reached beyond 60 points in three different seasons, lol. You aren’t being generous at all. You aren’t even making sense.
 
As always multiple things can be true. This was the plan from Carolina and Nikishin all along and it's bad to have agents publicly trashing the team. We'll see if it causes any issues going forward but this is now the third "big name" in a row that has had issues in Carolina. People will continue shitting on them until that is not the case.
 
As always multiple things can be true. This was the plan from Carolina and Nikishin all along and it's bad to have agents publicly trashing the team. We'll see if it causes any issues going forward but this is now the third "big name" in a row that has had issues in Carolina. People will continue shitting on them until that is not the case.
Lol, people are going to shit on them no matter what they do. It’s a hockey team in Carolina owned by a Texas billionaire.

There was no issue here. One tweet by one guy, when there’s a butt load of quality info that there was no problem and everything went exactly as planned. You’re going to believe the tweet. Because you want to, because you have an agenda.
 
Carolina easily says no, Hughes is just going to the devils in a couple years. This is horrific asset management.
what makes you think he’s gonna be a devil ? Did he say it ? Provide source of him saying it. Video source or recording. Quoting old man Rutherford doesn’t count.
 
I don’t care that you don’t want Rakell, but this is a really dumb statement

So he’s absolutely a 50-60 point player if he’s reached beyond 60 points in three different seasons, lol. You aren’t being generous at all. You aren’t even making sense.
He’s also failed to hit it more than often. He’s an inconsistent 50 point player who sometimes scores 60, sometimes 40
 
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So what's the deal here? Is he actually signed or is it just agreed on but CAR doesn't want to play him so they wont put pen to paper?
 
It seems like they haven't put pen to paper on an ELC, but they had a verbal agreement that Carolina weirdly announced as an ELC.

Imagine having a solid chance at going to the ECFs and beyond but not wanting to sign a guy who could step into your Top 4 today because you don't wanna burn a year.

Canes' ownership stays losing.
 
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It seems like they haven't put pen to paper on an ELC, but they had a verbal agreement that Carolina weirdly announced as an ELC.
He signed it, but player and team agreed to not register it to leave the door open to play in the AHL, as the CBA would have prevented him from being able to suit up for the AHL team had the contract been finalized.

With the AHL team eliminated, that was no longer a factor, so the contract was registered the next morning.

The Canes were up front and transparent about why this was happening. The only negative feedback we got about this was from the Russian agent, whom some reporters in Russia have speculated might be trying to save face because he couldn't get Nikishin over before the regular season ended, preventing him from getting valuable playing time that might have made him playing in the playoffs more reasonable.
 
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He signed it, but player and team agreed to not register it to leave the door open to play in the AHL, as the CBA would have prevented him from being able to suit up for the AHL team had the contract been finalized.
Makes sense.

With the AHL team eliminated, that was no longer a factor, so the contract was registered the next morning.
Just so I understand this correctly, is the contract now registered? It wasn't when they announced they signed him to a deal is what I read.
 
Makes sense.


Just so I understand this correctly, is the contract now registered? It wasn't when they announced they signed him to a deal is what I read.
Yes, it was registered on Saturday after the Chicago Wolves were eliminated on Friday, and as such Nikishin was officially listed as a healthy scratch for the game yesterday. He wasn't listed in the previous 3 games.
 
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