Player Discussion Alexandar Georgiev

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Time to move on. A free asset that wasn't cashed on when the value was high. Gorton messed that one up wanting a 1st. Could have had another 2nd rounder as a piece to add to the puzzle.

Trade for a backup and either send him back to other way or on waivers.
 
71 goalies have started 20 games or less this year.

Collectively they have an .897 save percentage on over 15,000 shots and a 3.23 GAA. You can say you don't like Georgiev and that's fine but this is what you get out of a backup. I wouldn't expect things to get better with someone different outside of random variation. Our expectations are just out of touch with reality because of Talbot/Raanta and yes, even Georgiev of a couple years ago.

If you exclude the ones who barely play at all and just take goalies with 10-20 starts that number goes all the way up to....899 and down to 3.14.

People talk about Halak and Greiss. Those guys have been even worse than Geo.

This is why they're cheap and this is why they're backups. These guys aren't good. You don't get a good backup without getting lucky on a guy on an ELC, getting good fortune, or paying for it.
 
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Georgiev is not good and he far too often lets in backbreaking goals like he did last night after they tied it. In his defense it hurts him playing so infrequently. He seems to play better when he gets more playing time but that's not going to happen here. He's gone, whether it be at the deadline or after the season.
 
Kind of sad. Talbot was basically putting up Shesterkin numbers and the team was playing so well in front of him. 1.64 GAA
It was a different team that played a different style of game during an almost different era to today. The only constant there is Benoit Allaire who has done magic for this organization for seemingly 4 out of every 5 players he's coached (give or take).

Georgiev could have been traded prior to this game. After this game, I'm not really so sure. A GM has to look at these numbers and think - not worth the risk of losing my job if it doesn't work out.
 
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It was a different team that played a different style of game during an almost different era to today. The only constant there is Benoit Allaire who has done magic for this organization for seemingly 4 out of every 5 players he's coached (give or take).

Georgiev could have been traded prior to this game. After this game, I'm not really so sure. A GM has to look at these numbers and think - not worth the risk of losing my job if it doesn't work out.

I don't think a GM would be stupid enough to give up more than a 3rd or a 4th for him so It's probably not going to hurt anybody's job status if it didn't work out. It might be worth a gamble to a team desperate for goaltending.
 
71 goalies have started 20 games or less this year.

Collectively they have an .897 save percentage on over 15,000 shots and a 3.23 GAA. You can say you don't like Georgiev and that's fine but this is what you get out of a backup. I wouldn't expect things to get better with someone different outside of random variation. Our expectations are just out of touch with reality because of Talbot/Raanta and yes, even Georgiev of a couple years ago.

If you exclude the ones who barely play at all and just take goalies with 10-20 starts that number goes all the way up to....899 and down to 3.14.

People talk about Halak and Greiss. Those guys have been even worse than Geo.

This is why they're cheap and this is why they're backups. These guys aren't good. You don't get a good backup without getting lucky on a guy on an ELC, getting good fortune, or paying for it.

The thing is that they aren't trying anything different. The writing on the wall is that he is gone after this season. I know they went with Huska for one game, which was probably the worst team to go up against in game 1. Kinkaid was up for 1 game as well. Why not just try Kinkaid for a little while? Sure, his start was against Arizona, but he did well the year before and he clearly knows how to be a backup. He's a veteran.

I'd much prefer the attempt at resolving a situation.

Also, I wonder with him having a month with no games, was he eligible for a conditioning stint in the AHL? He'd have gotten in some game action before coming back up.
 
The thing is that they aren't trying anything different. The writing on the wall is that he is gone after this season. I know they went with Huska for one game, which was probably the worst team to go up against in game 1. Kinkaid was up for 1 game as well. Why not just try Kinkaid for a little while? Sure, his start was against Arizona, but he did well the year before and he clearly knows how to be a backup. He's a veteran.

I'd much prefer the attempt at resolving a situation.

Also, I wonder with him having a month with no games, was he eligible for a conditioning stint in the AHL? He'd have gotten in some game action before coming back up.

What's going to resolve the situation? He's performing right in line with his peers. His role will get 5-8 more games and if they go bad so what? He will play zero games in the playoffs if things go well. Sure maybe someone else will do better in that sample but it won't be because they are better. It'll just be because in 5 games of course someone can perform well. He's not at the bottom of this group he's like dead in the middle of it.
 
Georgiev is not good and he far too often lets in backbreaking goals like he did last night after they tied it. In his defense it hurts him playing so infrequently. He seems to play better when he gets more playing time but that's not going to happen here. He's gone, whether it be at the deadline or after the season.

It's a chicken-egg thing. He's better when he plays a lot. But when he plays, he sucks, so he doesn't play. But others have eloquently noted that Georgiev is not a prototypical backup. He's a tweener starter who's been relegated to a backup role, for which he is clearly unsuited.
 
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Terrible goal. Threw his blocker too high and tipped it down and in.


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Second goal is a cross bar level tip, not on Geo.


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Geo out for a swim on this one, no chance to get anywhere close on the nice no-look cross crease.


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Yes this was a breakaway, but he needs to poke check that move. It was a very wide deke right at Geo's feet. This is a nit pick/spoiled from Shesty.

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Not sure again what Geo's thinking. There was one play for the shooter, can't go forehand here and the pass is being taken away. Geo has 0 confidence and is shrinking down back into his net and to the middle too, leaving MILES available short side and over his shoulder. Great finish though to hit the open spot.

That's 2.5 softies (first goal above the circles, last goal he's cheating down and middle for no reason and only .5 for the cross crease even though he was 2 feet wide of his net needlessly), then 1 somewhat 'stoppable' one (breakway he could have poke checked) and one no chance for him. Just a terrible game.
 
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Terrible goal. Threw his blocker too high and tipped it down and in.


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Second goal is a cross bar level tip, not on Geo.


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Geo out for a swim on this one, no chance to get anywhere close on the cross crease.


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Yes this was a breakaway, but he needs to poke check that move. It was a very wide deke right at Geo's feet. This is a nit pick/spoiled from Shesty.

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Not sure again what Geo's thinking. There was one play for the shooter, can't go forehand here and the pass is being taken away. Geo has 0 confidence and is shrinking down back into his net and to the middle too, leaving MILES available short side and over his shoulder.

That's 2.5 softies (first goal above the circles, last goal he's cheating down and middle for no reason and only .5 for the cross crease even though he was 2 feet wide of his net needlessly), then 1 somewhat 'stoppable' one (breakway he could have poke checked) and one no chance for him. Just a terrible game.

Thats been his MO all season. He has been getting worse and worse as time goes on. Geo is constantly out of position and everything seems wrong with him. He needs to go
 
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What's going to resolve the situation? He's performing right in line with his peers. His role will get 5-8 more games and if they go bad so what? He will play zero games in the playoffs if things go well. Sure maybe someone else will do better in that sample but it won't be because they are better. It'll just be because in 5 games of course someone can perform well. He's not at the bottom of this group he's like dead in the middle of it.

I believe it will change the situation alot. Have you seen how we play in front of Geo and then in front of Igor? The team as a whole backchecks harder, plays harder in front of their own net, clears the crease, sticks up for igor when he is pressured, you can tell there is true comradery.

Geo there is none., Nobody in front of him wants to play with him. You can tell by how the players play in front of him. They have no faith in him and ill give you an ex. The last start he got before Minn. We were on the pk. Defense did a great job killing it off, Geo makes a save and holds onto the puck. Geo give foxy a pat with his stick. Fox just skates away. This team does not like Geo and Geo does not like this team.

The point in moving him is that Yes Kinkaid will maybe have the same results statistical wise but the team likes him and will play hard in front of him.

Also moving Geo and not getting anything for him is just dumb. Its asset management. We are not keeping him. Move him for a 3rd. Give us more picks and ammo to trade in the offseason and move around in the draft with having (1)st, (2) 2nds and a 3rd back.

You move players that have no future with the team, you dont keep him because other backup numbers are in line with his. Its about the team play when he is in, that nobody likes him, and he just isnt good.
 
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Terrible goal. Threw his blocker too high and tipped it down and in.


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Second goal is a cross bar level tip, not on Geo.


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Geo out for a swim on this one, no chance to get anywhere close on the nice no-look cross crease.


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Yes this was a breakaway, but he needs to poke check that move. It was a very wide deke right at Geo's feet. This is a nit pick/spoiled from Shesty.

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Not sure again what Geo's thinking. There was one play for the shooter, can't go forehand here and the pass is being taken away. Geo has 0 confidence and is shrinking down back into his net and to the middle too, leaving MILES available short side and over his shoulder. Great finish though to hit the open spot.

That's 2.5 softies (first goal above the circles, last goal he's cheating down and middle for no reason and only .5 for the cross crease even though he was 2 feet wide of his net needlessly), then 1 somewhat 'stoppable' one (breakway he could have poke checked) and one no chance for him. Just a terrible game.
That cross crease one was worse than simply being out of position, watch it closely you’ll see Georgiev actually pokechecks the puck free to the Wild player.
 
71 goalies have started 20 games or less this year.

Collectively they have an .897 save percentage on over 15,000 shots and a 3.23 GAA. You can say you don't like Georgiev and that's fine but this is what you get out of a backup. I wouldn't expect things to get better with someone different outside of random variation. Our expectations are just out of touch with reality because of Talbot/Raanta and yes, even Georgiev of a couple years ago.

If you exclude the ones who barely play at all and just take goalies with 10-20 starts that number goes all the way up to....899 and down to 3.14.

People talk about Halak and Greiss. Those guys have been even worse than Geo.

This is why they're cheap and this is why they're backups. These guys aren't good. You don't get a good backup without getting lucky on a guy on an ELC, getting good fortune, or paying for it.
Chicken vs. egg.

Not getting starts could just be a product of sucking. But also, sucking could be the product of not getting starts. It's likely the former though.
 
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Terrible goal. Threw his blocker too high and tipped it down and in.


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Second goal is a cross bar level tip, not on Geo.


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Geo out for a swim on this one, no chance to get anywhere close on the nice no-look cross crease.


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Yes this was a breakaway, but he needs to poke check that move. It was a very wide deke right at Geo's feet. This is a nit pick/spoiled from Shesty.

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Not sure again what Geo's thinking. There was one play for the shooter, can't go forehand here and the pass is being taken away. Geo has 0 confidence and is shrinking down back into his net and to the middle too, leaving MILES available short side and over his shoulder. Great finish though to hit the open spot.

That's 2.5 softies (first goal above the circles, last goal he's cheating down and middle for no reason and only .5 for the cross crease even though he was 2 feet wide of his net needlessly), then 1 somewhat 'stoppable' one (breakway he could have poke checked) and one no chance for him. Just a terrible game.

Excellent summation of the goals. Terrible game from him. Igor allows 1, maybe 2 of those goals.
 
Chicken vs. egg.

Not getting starts could just be a product of sucking and not the other way around.

I don't understand what this has to do with my post? My point is as a whole backup goalies are bad. Georgiev falls into that category and performs right around the average of his group. I don't think he'd be better if he got more starts. I think he'd be the same guy anyway.
 
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Terrible goal. Threw his blocker too high and tipped it down and in.


View attachment 514046
Second goal is a cross bar level tip, not on Geo.


View attachment 514041
Geo out for a swim on this one, no chance to get anywhere close on the nice no-look cross crease.


View attachment 514042
Yes this was a breakaway, but he needs to poke check that move. It was a very wide deke right at Geo's feet. This is a nit pick/spoiled from Shesty.

View attachment 514043
Not sure again what Geo's thinking. There was one play for the shooter, can't go forehand here and the pass is being taken away. Geo has 0 confidence and is shrinking down back into his net and to the middle too, leaving MILES available short side and over his shoulder. Great finish though to hit the open spot.

That's 2.5 softies (first goal above the circles, last goal he's cheating down and middle for no reason and only .5 for the cross crease even though he was 2 feet wide of his net needlessly), then 1 somewhat 'stoppable' one (breakway he could have poke checked) and one no chance for him. Just a terrible game.
Honestly, I think each of these is a stoppable goal other than the second one. I'm going to make up statistics right now, but bear with me.

Goal #1 - goalies should stop this shot 95-100%% of the time.

Goal #2 - goalies should stop this maybe 10-15% of the time? It's not his fault.


Goal #3 - I think a goalie should stop this about 75% of the time (around 1 in four cross ice plays like this will go in). But, I'm sorry, it's one Georgiev needs to be in a better position on. Rather than only having one toe in the crease, he should be fully in the crease, square to the play as it's happening. Even as shown here, he's not square between the play and the net. The angle is terrible.

And he's not surveying the rest of the play to know that he should be anticipating a possible pass play to his left. Just a genuinely horrible lack of situational awareness and hockey sense. It looked like he had no prayer because the shooter buried it in essentially an empty net. I don't mind if he get's beat on a great cross ice passing play, but he wasn't even in a position to make a save. He gave himself a 0% chance of making the save rather than a 75% chance due to his horrendous positioning.

Goal #4 - The breakaway is likely a 50/50 coin toss for the average NHL level goalie so I'll excuse half of that one too.

Goal #5 - This was a joke and should be stopped 90% of the time.

The saddest part is that he did stop a lot of high danger shots that were harder than some of the ones that went in. The reflexes are totally there. But his consistency and positioning are terrible.

As Hank said last game, Shesterkin is as good as he is because he doesn't let any softies. You have to earn all the goals you score on him. I just wish our backup was average at this point. That would be a huge upgrade over what we have.

And while Georgiev would likely do better if playing time was more evenly split among the two, he has to be a professional here and perform when called upon and also recognized that his goaltending partner is vastly outperforming him - he hasn't earned the ice time or made enough of his opportunities.
 
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I don't understand what this has to do with my post? My point is as a whole backup goalies are bad. Georgiev falls into that category and performs right around the average of his group. I don't think he'd be better if he got more starts. I think he'd be the same guy anyway.
Don't mind me, I'm just yelling at clouds. The game left a bad taste in my mouth.
 
Honestly, I think each of these is a stoppable goal other than the second one. I'm going to make up statistics right now, but bear with me.

Goal #1 - goalies should stop this shot 95-100%% of the time.

Goal #2 - goalies should stop this maybe 10-15% of the time? It's not his fault.


Goal #3 - I think a goalie should stop this about 75% of the time (around 1 in four cross ice plays like this will go in). But, I'm sorry, it's one Georgiev needs to be in a better position on. Rather than only having one toe in the crease, he should be fully in the crease, square to the play as it's happening. Even as shown here, he's not square between the play and the net. The angle is terrible.

And he's not surveying the rest of the play to know that he should be anticipating a possible pass play to his left. Just a genuinely horrible lack of situational awareness and hockey sense. It looked like he had no prayer because the shooter buried it in essentially an empty net. I don't mind if he get's beat on a great cross ice passing play, but he wasn't even in a position to make a save. He gave himself a 0% chance of making the save rather than a 75% chance due to his horrendous positioning.

Goal #4 - The breakaway is likely a 50/50 coin toss for the average NHL level goalie so I'll excuse half of that one too.

Goal #5 - This was a joke and should be stopped 90% of the time.

The saddest part is that he did stop a lot of high danger shots that were harder than some of the ones that went in. The reflexes are totally there. But his consistency and positioning are terrible.

As Hank said last game, Shesterkin is as good as he is because he doesn't let any softies. You have to earn all the goals you score on him. I just wish our backup was average at this point. That would be a huge upgrade over what we have.

And while Georgiev would likely do better if playing time was more evenly split among the two, he has to be a professional here and perform when called upon and also recognized that his goaltending partner is vastly outperforming him - he hasn't earned the ice time or made enough of his opportunities.
Yes I was being generous to Geo in my eval. Good point about the cross crease. The passer had his back to the net, Geo needs to realize that even though the passer had the puck 'close' to the net, the real threat lay elsewhere. Such bad focus, positioning, and reading the play. I also think goal 5 is saved 95% of the time, it should take a perfect shot, and even then good positioning would have the shoulder in the way. You were being generous saying 90% :)
 
I'm not sure how this guy is being handled by management, but he's clearly not suited to his role as a backup and it shows in his play EVERY TIME hes in net.

It's practically a loss every time he plays.
 
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