Value of: Alex Vlasic in a trade

[Space umpire]

He's produced significantly better at a 5v5 raw level and per 60 rate than Bedard over the last two years.

I'm not sure I get the argument. What do you think Vlasic turns into?

He produced playing with 2 1st liners. Bedard plays primarily with a 3rd liner and a 4th liner

The argument is you have 2 younger guys about the same age and you project improvement for only 1 of them.
If you project Laf turns into a 1st line, line driver. Then would it be wrong to project the same amount of improvement for Vlasic?
Why does only Laf improve?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He produced playing with 2 1st liners.

Yeah Laf is a fine young player but he's got way more support than Bedard.

Bedard plays primarily with a 3rd liner and a 4th liner

Let's be fair here - that third liner significantly outscored him at 5v5 when they played together.

But yeah, I'm taking Panarin all day over Donato.

The argument is you have 2 younger guys about the same age and you project improvement for only 1 of them.
If you project Laf turns into a 1st line, line driver. Then would it be wrong to project the same amount of improvement for Vlasic?
Why does only Laf improve?

I wouldn't trade Vlasic for 5 Lafrenieres lol

 

[Space umpire]

Reading this thread shows you who actually
A) watches games
B) is willing to fairly evaluate opposing players.

There are several posters from from many different teams who are willing to acknowledge Vlasic’s ability.
There is one guy posting MANY times criticizing.

 

[Castle8130]

Vlasic is the last player the Hawks should trade. There will not be a reasonable return for Vlasic mentioned in this thread.

 

[Hasekperreault23]

Hey, quiet you! We’re negotiating here. Lol.

Trade already done shut it down lol

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Michkov and ~4th overall pick

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Don’t see why you’d move him. Would offer 2 first for him from MN. That’s a nice contract he’s on too.

 

[pvr]

Vlasic will be on the shortlist for consideration for US best-on-best teams going forward.

He’s very tall with the reach of a condor, moves the puck well, is very mobile and is able to carry the puck the length of the ice, is reasonably physical, consistently plays a very good to excellent shutdown game, is improving offensively, is capable of playing 25+ minutes a game, has only two years of real NHL experience, and is only 23 and still improving.

He’s a big projectable shutdown 2D with still untapped offensive upside. He should not be traded.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Don’t see why you’d move him. Would offer 2 first for him from MN. That’s a nice contract he’s on too.

I don't want to trade - the only reason I proposed a trade was to use an asset we have in abundance to acquire an asset we need but don't have. We need a top-6 winger to play with Bedard to help Bedard untap his scoring potential. The only asset the Hawks have that could bring back a legit top-6 winger is Vlasic.

Two first round picks is nice but it doesn't meet the criteria of acquiring that top-6 winger now - not 2 or 3 years down the road when those 1st rounders possibly turn into NHL'ers.

 

[Macheteops]

You'd be bonkers to trade this dude unless you received a huge overpayment

 

[DJN21]

Yeah just take peterka for him and let's shut this down early....

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

I don't want to trade - the only reason I proposed a trade was to use an asset we have in abundance to acquire an asset we need but don't have. We need a top-6 winger to play with Bedard to help Bedard untap his scoring potential. The only asset the Hawks have that could bring back a legit top-6 winger is Vlasic.

Two first round picks is nice but it doesn't meet the criteria of acquiring that top-6 winger now - not 2 or 3 years down the road when those 1st rounders possibly turn into NHL'ers.

Rossi?

 

[Gurglesons]

Vlasic will be on the shortlist for consideration for US best-on-best teams going forward.

He’s very tall with the reach of a condor, moves the puck well, is very mobile and is able to carry the puck the length of the ice, is reasonably physical, consistently plays a very good to excellent shutdown game, is improving offensively, is capable of playing 25+ minutes a game, has only two years of real NHL experience, and is only 23 and still improving.

He’s a big projectable shutdown 2D with still untapped offensive upside. He should not be traded.

Would be shocked if Vlasic ever plays for the US Olympic team.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Rossi?

The criteria is: legit top-6, young - in the 22/23/24 range, and 6' or taller. Rossi is only 5'9". The purpose of this trade is to add size into the top-6 because the Hawks have a bunch of sub-6' guys like Bedard and Nazar already in the lineup and the top guys in the system who aren't still at least a year away - Moore, Lardis, Kantserov are all under 6'.

 

[mydnyte]

Vlasic is a beast i would give a lot for him.
What would be the ask from the Habs ?

realistically, they would ask for Demidov + so, I doubt there is a deal to be made there.

 

[qcal1427]

Vlasic will be on the shortlist for consideration for US best-on-best teams going forward.

He’s very tall with the reach of a condor, moves the puck well, is very mobile and is able to carry the puck the length of the ice, is reasonably physical, consistently plays a very good to excellent shutdown game, is improving offensively, is capable of playing 25+ minutes a game, has only two years of real NHL experience, and is only 23 and still improving.

He’s a big projectable shutdown 2D with still untapped offensive upside. He should not be traded.

Please explain to me why this guy is not just another Mario Ferraro or Rasmus Ristolainen.

Yes he's big and mobile but he has consistently not driven play at either end of the ice and doesn't really score either. I get he plays big minutes on a bad team, but as always I think it's very reasonable to take that the other way and say that part of the reason Chicago was such a bad team is that they have Vlasic playing such big minutes.

 

[pvr]

Please explain to me why this guy is not just another Mario Ferraro or Rasmus Ristolainen.

Yes he's big and mobile but he has consistently not driven play at either end of the ice and doesn't really score either. I get he plays big minutes on a bad team, but as always I think it's very reasonable to take that the other way and say that part of the reason Chicago was such a bad team is that they have Vlasic playing such big minutes.

I thought I just explained it in my post. Clearly you have a steadfast opinion, one which isn’t shared by the majority of people who actually watch him play. I’m not going to try to change your mind.