Value of: Alex Turcotte

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Brodin and Boldy do anything for LA fans?

That is likely on the high end for what I think the Wild could stomach for a player who has yet to play at the NHL level I think though. Brodin would look extremely good stapled to Doughty for the balance of their careers if I’m honest. I think LA is looking for a LHD and Brodin has the ability to move to either side pending development of prospects over time. Only one year on his deal so he’d need to be extended though.

An extended Brodin is going to hahavstrong value. Wild need a c, but come on no matter the d, wild aren't dealing Brodin extended then adding on Brodin.

Not even sure Brodin will be traded for Turcotte just because of what happened with the Trocheck trade

 

[Prior]

An extended Brodin is going to hahavstrong value. Wild need a c, but come on no matter the d, wild aren't dealing Brodin extended then adding on Brodin.

Not even sure Brodin will be traded for Turcotte just because of what happened with the Trocheck trade

Nowhere in my post did I say that Brodin would be a sign and trade. Because this is the NHL and by in large that doesn’t happen.

Of course an extended Brodin is worth more than he is currently assuming it’s not an astronomical extension. But the reality is he doesn’t currently come with an extension and that impacts value.

 

[AKL]

Nowhere in my post did I say that Brodin would be a sign and trade. Because this is the NHL and by in large that doesn’t happen.

Of course an extended Brodin is worth more than he is currently assuming it’s not an astronomical extension. But the reality is he doesn’t currently come with an extension and that impacts value.

It only impacts his value if the Wild don't intend to or cannot sign him.

JG Pageau just signed an extension immediately after being acquired by the Isles this year.
Mark Stone did it last year.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Nowhere in my post did I say that Brodin would be a sign and trade. Because this is the NHL and by in large that doesn’t happen.

Of course an extended Brodin is worth more than he is currently assuming it’s not an astronomical extension. But the reality is he doesn’t currently come with an extension and that impacts value.

Even realistically you see it that way, it's very Clear an NHL GM disagrees with you .

I was one of the many advocates of trading Brodin or Dumba for 2c in Trocheck but he diddid do it, so I am very clear what information Guerin has in terms of Brodin's worth that he didn't pull Trigger at Trade deadline

 

[Prior]

JG Pageau just signed an extension immediately after being acquired by the Isles this year.
Mark Stone did it last year.

Those are not sign and trades.

Even realistically you see it that way, it's very Clear an NHL GM disagrees with you .

I was one of the many advocates of trading Brodin or Dumba for 2c in Trocheck but he diddid do it, so I am very clear what information Guerin has in terms of Brodin's worth that he didn't pull Trigger at Trade deadline

Or. The more logical answer. Trocheck wasn’t the player he wanted to move assets for.

 

[AKL]

Those are not sign and trades.

It's semantics. The end result is the exact same. The player is only acquired under the condition that a contract is pre-negotiated.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Turcotte's d+1 wasn't that impressive, and I think teams would still be worried about Vilardi and his back issues.

So it's not like they are trading surefire future allstars here. I could see a potential deal out there, there are teams willing to bet on a center prospect like that. Teams like MIN, NYR, WPG, CBJ all looking for a center and who have winger/defense assets to move.

I could see Vilardi for Boldy. Maybe Columbus could come up with a package (Anderson+).

Sure fire all stars when talking about prospects ?

If they were, people here wouldn’t be talking about Boldy or any other 1st round pick.

26 points in 29 college games (Turcotte) might not be impressive but it looks like you are saying it is underwhelming. Its actually pretty good, especially if you consider there is not much ‘veteran’ help in the line up of Winconsin.

I would trade Byfield over either Turcotte and Vilardi.

 

[KingLB]

2 most import positions in hockey, #1 Center and #1 D. Kings should not trade 1 center prospect until they find out if any of them are #1 centers. If they are lucky more than one is, and you can fill needs with him or the 3rd one. You do not trade any of them until you know. It may be bad asset management from a value standpoint (as any or all 3 may lose value over time) but its a risk you are willing to take to get the #1 center.

 

[funky]

If we (L.A) were to draft Byfield, I would trade Turcotte to:

Detroit for the 4th. (intentions to land Drysdale)

To Tampa for Sergachev. (RFA on a cap strapped team)

To Colorado for Byram (would package a pick with Turcotte)

To Buffalo in a package for Eichel ( doubt Buffalo moves him but funnier things have happened)


if none of these work I am not in any hurry to trade the guy. L.A is very deep at all prospect positions but lack true top end talent like Turcotte. The one thing we are lacking is a big physical defenseman, an elite offensive defenseman and an heir to Doughty which will be very hard to find.

 

[kilowatt]

Trading Vilardi would be a mistake. He has just as high a chance as Byfield to become a 1C. Trading Turcotte while his value is low doesn’t make sense to me, but if we could get a strong right-handed defender at full value, that might be worth it.

Kaliyev - Kopitar - Vilardi
Fagemo - Byfield - Madden
Kupari - JAD - Thomas

Bjornfot - Doughty
Anderson - Drysdale

I’m not so bold as to assume all of these players will make the NHL or the Kings, but that’s a pretty formidable group of prospects.

I think that trading Turcotte is off the table now though, seeing as the Kings just hired Turcotte’s former USNTDP coach John Wroblewski to lead the Ontario Reign.

Or maybe the Kings go full German, draft Stützle, and trade Turcotte for Seider.

 

[Rorschach]

I’m not for trading Turcotte. I just felt like listing all of the Kings top center prospects:
Byfield/Stutzle
Gabe Vilardi
Alex Turcotte
Tyler Madden
Rasmus Kupari
Jaret Anderson-Dolan
Akil Thomas
Aidan Dudas

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Is there a talent gap because one was taken 5 and the other 12, or is there a talent gap because of their individual traits?
Explain the talent gap to me. By any means, I don't see how it's "huge".

Turcotte’s skating, hockey sense and two way game are at least a grade better. Hockey sense and skating might be two grades better.

 

[AKL]

Turcotte’s skating, hockey sense and two way game are at least a grade better. Hockey sense and skating might be two grades better.

But Boldy isn't bad in any of those areas, in fact he's a good skater and has good hockey sense.

I recognize there's a gap in value. What I was looking for is for that guy to explain the gap himself without using draft position as a reason. The gap isn't "huge" by any means. It's significant enough that I would add to Boldy, but it's not significant enough where the piece is another guy on Boldy's level.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

But Boldy isn't bad in any of those areas, in fact he's a good skater and has good hockey sense.

I recognize there's a gap in value. What I was looking for is for that guy to explain the gap himself without using draft position as a reason. The gap isn't "huge" by any means. It's significant enough that I would add to Boldy, but it's not significant enough where the piece is another guy on Boldy's level.

I’ve always liked Boldy’s skating more than most. It’s effective, despite his lack of top level acceleration. I think his sense is overrated. It’s very average. He makes a lot of dumb plays.

I’m a fan of Boldy. I’m merely answering your question. I do think there’s a skill gap between the two prospects. I almost never use eventual pick slots in these discussions because I have my own opinions on the players. I would say we are talking about a 10 pick difference between the two in caliber, which is at least a tier or two higher in any draft.

 

[AKL]

I’ve always liked Boldy’s skating more than most. It’s effective, despite his lack of top level acceleration. I think his sense is overrated. It’s very average. He makes a lot of dumb plays.

I’m a fan of Boldy. I’m merely answering your question. I do think there’s a skill gap between the two prospects.

I don't think his decisions are "dumb" in the sense that he doesn't know what he's doing, I think he just tries to be too fancy sometimes, tries to do too much. That's something players learn as they get older. Quite a few times this year I saw him try to force a nice pass rather than keep the cycle going or make the safe pass back to the point. Again, I wouldn't say it's dumb or a lack of hockey sense, it's something fixable.

That guy originally said he'd trade Turcotte for a scoring winger. Boldy is at least enough to get a conversation going in my opinion.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't think his decisions are "dumb" in the sense that he doesn't know what he's doing, I think he just tries to be too fancy sometimes, tries to do too much. That's something players learn as they get older. Quite a few times this year I saw him try to force a nice pass rather than keep the cycle going or make the safe pass back to the point. Again, I wouldn't say it's dumb or a lack of hockey sense, it's something fixable.

I agree it’s fixable. Boldy is really flashy and most wouldn’t expect that because he was once compared to the Tkachuk’s. I wish he’d actually play a little more of an inside game and wouldn’t always try to be the most skilled guy on the ice. He has both in him, but needs to find a better balance. I think he will and has high upside, but he’s more of a long-term project.

 

[TBF1972]

Vilardi more likely to be traded. Especially since Kopitar is still good and on the roster for a while. Byfield/Turcotte are the future 1C/2C punch.

Vilardi for a D or W makes sense.

Vilardi's injury history makes him a more difficult sell in a trade and might not has the same value.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Yeesh, I'm not sure Turcotte is better than Boldy. I certainly wouldn't add Addison for him.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Why not move Kopitar for a haul and embrace a total rebuild...Byfield/Turcotte/Vilardi down the middle is nasty...The foundation toward another cup run for LA

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

hmmm... Boldy is intriguing but there ia a huge talent gap.
I guess something you would use to trade up from #12 to #5

If you guys somehow manage to draft Holtz, i would be all in, one for one

Boldy is more talented than Turcotte

 

[Rabid Ranger]

The attention span at HF Boards is toddler like. Why would LA consider moving a recently drafted guy like Turcotte who projects to be a top-notch two-way center?

 

[Lt Dan]

The attention span at HF Boards is toddler like. Why would LA consider moving a recently drafted guy like Turcotte who projects to be a top-notch two-way center?

LOL well said

Especially with Vilardi's uncertain back.

It would take a pretty big overpayment at this point tho

 

[DeagleJenkins]

The attention span at HF Boards is toddler like. Why would LA consider moving a recently drafted guy like Turcotte who projects to be a top-notch two-way center?

The only reason it is an idea is because at 2oa you will most likely take byfield who projects to be a better c prospect and you have vilardi already on the nhl roster looking solid. The thought process was la would rather move Turcotte over vilardi but if the injury history scares you I would gladly take Vilardi off your hands instead

 

[2Pair]

The attention span at HF Boards is toddler like. Why would LA consider moving a recently drafted guy like Turcotte who projects to be a top-notch two-way center?

Because they were just handed a better center prospect than any in their current pool. Trading one of Turcotte or Vilardi straight up for a guy like Boldy doesn't make any sense, but if you can get the #9 pick or a guy like Addison involved, then it isn't very hard to figure out why they would consider it.

 

[Groo]

Turcotte to Detroit for Seider