Alex Nylander

[AmericanDream]

Oh man the George from Finland. Oh man.

I'm sorry guys.

Nylander is top-6 material.

 

[nmgrbhfn]

I don't get these opinions, do you expect Dach to make the team already and for AA to disappear?

Read my post in context. My comment started with the conditional “if”. “If” multiple rfa wingers are pushing 20 goal / 40 point seasons, we are talking about mid season.

Several insightful posters have provided anecdotal evidence regarding other talents that have found their stride in new surroundings, or at their 23 yo season (e.g., the comparison someone made today between Nino N. and AN).

“If” these things happen, the Hawks will have multiple wingers who will be doing what Saad has done the last few years for a significantly reduced cap hit. Do you think the Hawks should hang onto Saad just for old time’s sake?

My take on AA is that he has been a defensive liability the last few years who has to be surrounded with defensively responsible wingers. The Hawks don’t need him anymore.

Regarding Dach, if it helps him, I would ice these lines at the beginning of the season:

Kubalik - Toews - Kane
Cat - Strome - Perlini
Saad - Shaw - Dach
Caggiula - Kampf - Carpenter

followed by these if sufficient progress has been made by midseason:

Kubalik - Toews - Kane
Cat - Strome - Shaw
Perlini / Saarela - Dach - Nylander
Caggiula - Kampf - Kurashev

Move Saad for picks.

 

[MasksAreForSlaves]

I'm stunned that so many folks are talking themselves into this being a good trade. The comps to Strome are meaningless to me.

Joker in his D+1 year (as a Defenseman not only makes the team but held his own until the new coach pulled the plug) A obvious top 4, well rounded DMan going forward.

Nylander has done nothing, and has shown all the traits of a bust and I'm not buying it.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

LOL No.

A case can certainly be made that

Saarela > Nylander

The other two you quoted were bad but Saarela has just the same top 6 W upside as Nylander and maybe the best shot of our prospects

 

[bwana63]

Joker in his D+1 year (as a Defenseman not only makes the team but held his own until the new coach pulled the plug) A obvious top 4, well rounded DMan going forward.

I like Joker. That said, he wouldn't have made the team, had Murphy not been injured. He may not have been called up at all (despite the fact that we were a raging tire fire defensively). You're ignoring that he was clearly not ready. His ceiling is probably a #3. We have 2 RHD prospects who are better than Joker. They're also expansion draft exempt, whereas Joker is not. If we had to move one of the three, I'm very comfortable with Joker being the choice.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

A case can certainly be made that

Saarela > Nylander

The other two you quoted were bad but Saarela has just the same top 6 W upside as Nylander and maybe the best shot of our prospects

Nylander has way more upside.
Saarela will probably top out in the 30+20 range. He's got a helluva shot but isn't much of a playmaker. Nylander is the Hawks 2nd best F prospect AINEC.

 

[featherhawk]

Nylander has way more upside.
Saarela will probably top out in the 30+20 range. He's got a helluva shot but isn't much of a playmaker. Nylander is the Hawks 2nd best F prospect AINEC.

Dach
Nylander?

If that is what you are thinking you may want to re-think that AINEC comment....

Dach
Nylander
Kurashev

and it is close IMO.....

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Dach
Nylander?

If that is what you are thinking you may want to re-think that AINEC comment....

Dach
Nylander
Kurashev

and it is close IMO.....

I love me some Kurashev and Saarela but they top out in the 45-55pt range. Nylander tops out in the 65-75 pt range, with an outside chance at ppg. Dude oozes skill out of every orifice of his body.

 

[featherhawk]

I love me some Kurashev and Saarela but they top out in the 45-55pt range. Nylander tops out in the 65-75 pt range, with an outside chance at ppg. Dude oozes skill out of every orifice of his body.

agreed about Nylander, the guy does ooze skill no doubt. where I disagree with you is that Kurashev absolutely has a higher ceiling than 55 pt guy. He is a player that has fans at the edge of thier seat. I think Kurashev's ceiling is quite higher than you think.

my comp for him is a cross between Flip Forsberg and Matt Barzal. given the right situation I think Kurashev could be a 65-75 pt guy without question

I think Saarella can be a 35G 20 assist guy

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

agreed about Nylander, the guy does ooze skill no doubt. where I disagree with you is that Kurashev absolutely has a higher ceiling than 55 pt guy. He is a player that has fans at the edge of thier seat. I think Kurashev's ceiling is quite higher than you think.

my comp for him is a cross between Flip Forsberg and Matt Barzal. given the right situation I think Kurashev could be a 65-75 pt guy without question

I think Saarella can be a 35G 20 assist guy

I agree about Saarela

 

[clydesdale line]

Saarela's PNHLe numbers indicate he will likely be a (low end) second line type player in the future. The only thing that will hold him back is his skating which is valid. He doesn't have Nylander's upside, but he is a very solid prospect in his own right.

 

[Idionym]

So it sounds like Nylander is more of a LW than a RW but can play both (and maybe Buff was forcing him there?)

So I think it's pretty clear that the top line should be Nylander-Toews-Kane.

 

[BobbyJet]

So it sounds like Nylander is more of a LW than a RW but can play both (and maybe Buff was forcing him there?)

So I think it's pretty clear that the top line should be Nylander-Toews-Kane.

I have to admit that line sounds very intriguing.

 

[wahsnairb]

I'm stunned that so many folks are talking themselves into this being a good trade. The comps to Strome are meaningless to me.

Joker in his D+1 year (as a Defenseman not only makes the team but held his own until the new coach pulled the plug) A obvious top 4, well rounded DMan going forward.

Nylander has done nothing, and has shown all the traits of a bust and I'm not buying it.

Why is everyone so quick to pick a winner and loser of a trade (it’s every single trade on here so I’m definitely not singling anyone out)?

You’ve never seen Nylander on the Hawks. You have no idea who will bust or whom will flourish.

From a value standpoint, no... it wasn’t what we expected from a Joker return. That’s the only way you can judge it right now and not many (if any) have argued that it was solid in that regard.

 

[Castle8130]

Read my post in context. My comment started with the conditional “if”. “If” multiple rfa wingers are pushing 20 goal / 40 point seasons, we are talking about mid season.

Several insightful posters have provided anecdotal evidence regarding other talents that have found their stride in new surroundings, or at their 23 yo season (e.g., the comparison someone made today between Nino N. and AN).

“If” these things happen, the Hawks will have multiple wingers who will be doing what Saad has done the last few years for a significantly reduced cap hit. Do you think the Hawks should hang onto Saad just for old time’s sake?

My take on AA is that he has been a defensive liability the last few years who has to be surrounded with defensively responsible wingers. The Hawks don’t need him anymore.

Regarding Dach, if it helps him, I would ice these lines at the beginning of the season:

Kubalik - Toews - Kane
Cat - Strome - Perlini
Saad - Shaw - Dach
Caggiula - Kampf - Carpenter

followed by these if sufficient progress has been made by midseason:

Kubalik - Toews - Kane
Cat - Strome - Shaw
Perlini / Saarela - Dach - Nylander
Caggiula - Kampf - Kurashev

Move Saad for picks.

3rd oa's rarely make the team the season after their draft year, with the exception of Kotkaniemi. He played against men and had pretty solid showing in liiga. Dach was just over a point/game this past season in a league of 17-21 year olds. He will most likely not play more than 9 games. It would harm his development as well.

 

[Castle8130]

I think Bowman is onto a glitch in GM mode. Trade players with above average ceilings to crappy organizations, in exchange for players with much higher ceilings that couldn't develop because of the team that drafted them. We'll be getting Bouchard here in a few years for Teply.

 

[HeisenBaez]

I'm stunned that so many folks are talking themselves into this being a good trade. The comps to Strome are meaningless to me.

Joker in his D+1 year (as a Defenseman not only makes the team but held his own until the new coach pulled the plug) A obvious top 4, well rounded DMan going forward.

Nylander has done nothing, and has shown all the traits of a bust and I'm not buying it.

Joker has done nothing yet, either. Just saying. There is a reason why they are call "change of scenery" trades.

You're "stunned" about folks are thinking this is a good trade, well, I am flabbergasted at those who are labeling Nylander a bust only 2 yrs after being drafted.

Nobody knows if this is a good trade or not. Only time will tell. But recent trades (Caggiula and Strome) suggest maybe Bowman should get a benefit of the doubt when it comes to "change of scenery" trades. I know the anti-Bowman folks will never do that, but one can hope others might be open-minded.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I'm stunned that so many folks are talking themselves into this being a good trade. The comps to Strome are meaningless to me.

Joker in his D+1 year (as a Defenseman not only makes the team but held his own until the new coach pulled the plug) A obvious top 4, well rounded DMan going forward.

Nylander has done nothing, and has shown all the traits of a bust and I'm not buying it.

who are you again? random sabres fan? cause if so, only reddawg is allowed

 

[Rooh]

Up late thinking about red dog

 

[bwana63]

Why is everyone so quick to pick a winner and loser of a trade (it’s every single trade on here so I’m definitely not singling anyone out)?

It's what we do!

 

[bwana63]

Joker has done nothing yet, either. Just saying. There is a reason why they are call "change of scenery" trades.

You're "stunned" about folks are thinking this is a good trade, well, I am flabbergasted at those who are labeling Nylander a bust only 2 yrs after being drafted.

Nobody knows if this is a good trade or not. Only time will tell. But recent trades (Caggiula and Strome) suggest maybe Bowman should get a benefit of the doubt when it comes to "change of scenery" trades. I know the anti-Bowman folks will never do that, but one can hope others might be open-minded.

Spot on.

 

[wladyslaw]

I see Caggiula more as a 1st or 2nd liner so we can spread out the top talent more evenly across the top 3 lines. That's what I would do, at least. Maybe try something like....

Nylander-Toews-Kane
Caggiula-Strome-Cat
Saad-AA-Shaw
Sikura-Carpenter-Perlini

Kubalik-- is a lock/talented scoring winger.
Kampf is in

Out -- Perlini- especially if he really thinks he deserves$2M +
if Perlini is out... I could see hawks keeping AA - unless a great deal is out there or Dach blows everyone away in Camp

 

[AmericanDream]

who are you again? random sabres fan? cause if so, only reddawg is allowed

thought the same thing, who in the f*** are you??? in Reddawg we trust!

 

[GumbyCan2]

So it sounds like Nylander is more of a LW than a RW but can play both (and maybe Buff was forcing him there?)

So I think it's pretty clear that the top line should be Nylander-Toews-Kane.

then who go with 2nd, D'Cat-Strome-

Why is everyone so quick to pick a winner and loser of a trade (it’s every single trade on here so I’m definitely not singling anyone out)?

You’ve never seen Nylander on the Hawks. You have no idea who will bust or whom will flourish.

From a value standpoint, no... it wasn’t what we expected from a Joker return. That’s the only way you can judge it right now and not many (if any) have argued that it was solid in that regard.

Given Buffalo's history with d-men, looking at RRisto for example. Incredible skill set, potential, size, etc. The team is now souring on him from being future RHS #1 at prime age and experience that he should be excelling and steady top s for them. I don't hold out as much hope for Joker turning into a star and burning the BHwks, playing in Buffalos systems, team environment. Joker didn't exactly excel or show incredible promise for the Hawks, albeit still very early in his NHL path rise to stardom level, Yet. And the opportunity is there for the taking for ANylander to progress, grow and produce within the BHwks system, team. Thus making him a valuable young asset That is all Joker was so far for us.
A chance to gain in one role, for a chance on not hurting yourselves too bad by the distracting from another position.
Even those who were high on Joker as a future, I get it, sometimes newly presented potential stardom, skill gained in another area for your team needs to be embraced as it presents itself.
Our D-core futures, in 'anticipated potential', appears well stocked and more solid at this point than high-end "potential" forward future stars. So I understand the trade on these grounds.
It is done, can't change it as a fan-base so must try to embrace the new opportunity, add-on, and what lay ahead. Go Hawks...onward to bringing Stanley back to Stanley and all the BlackHawk hockey team fan nation! And to Chicago, as well, I guess. LOL's

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

OMG some fans are so unwilling to listen on the main board that Jokiharju might not be as good as they think he is. I think I've had it over there for a while.