Alex Nylander

[BobbyJet]

I think if Stan was asked about this trade and the reaction from some fans, he would respond by saying that Joker is somewhat overrated here, and Nyles is underrated. Time will tell if he is right.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Nylander had 165 games in AHL, .18 goals PG, nothing to crow about.

Last WJC Bellows outscored Nylander.

Like I said, both are the worst 1st rounders to date.

Why just use his goals per game in the AHL, and not points? He's at .52PPG in the AHL. Odd way to argue that he hasn't been great. Assists do matter... and are still counted as points...

Just for comparison sake, Henrik Sedin had a .18 goals per game in the NHL, and a .62 assist per game mark, with a .80PPG mark... was he a bad player? Would you be upset if Nylander turned into H. Sedin?

Adam Oates was a .25 goals per game guy in the NHL, but had 1.06 assists per game. He was one of the best playmakers to ever play the game, and sits in the HHoF. Bad player because he was primarily a setup man?

Now I get we're talking AHL vs NHL, but the point I'm making... is why just include his GPG, and not overall PPG? That seems like cherry picking stats for a narrative.

Give Nylander some time, he was drafted into a shit organization that doesn't really know how to develop players...

 

[bwana63]

I think I’ve just got a rotten opinion of these WJC’s/U20 tournies because of Forsling and Tuevo. But distinctly remember both of them doing distinctly well and being in very esteemed company following those prospect-level tournaments and them ultimately not amounting to much.

2 thoughts:

- Tuevo and Forsling are on far different paths. TT is most definitely a top 6 wing and a PP1 fixture. He's not elite, but your take is unduly harsh.

- the problem with tournament results is sample size, pure and simple. Not great to base conclusions on them alone.

 

[Rick C137]

Glossed over that one but yeah I’m not sure how you can say Teuvo didn’t amount to much. Dude scored 76 points last year and was a big part of our cup in 15’.

People do put way too much stock into the WJC though. It’s a small sample size where guys are playing in systems/with teammates they’re not used to and sometimes playing on different size ice surfaces. It’s good as a one stop shop to see all these prospects your looking for but you can’t put too much into production. I’d rather see how they produce game in and out on their actual teams.

 

[GaryU]

I think if Stan was asked about this trade and the reaction from some fans, he would respond by saying that Joker is somewhat overrated here, and Nyles is underrated. Time will tell if he is right.

Stan would likely say something like 'you have to give quality to get quality', not one of his picks were overrated.

 

[BobbyJet]

Stan would likely say something like 'you have to give quality to get quality', not one of his picks were overrated.

Yes. Unless the question is asked away from the microphone you're likely to get the vanilla, politically correct version as a response.... one that we have heard thousands of times.

 

[BK]

Yes. Unless the question is asked away from the microphone you're likely to get the vanilla, politically correct version as a response.... one that we have heard thousands of times.

This is true but it is so rare we hear candid responses from GMs or Coaches. Burke might be the last GM to be just brutally honest.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Tuevo and Forsling are on far different paths. TT is most definitely a top 6 wing and a PP1 fixture. He's not elite, but your take is unduly harsh.

As a Hawk he was kind of a letdown and never matched his play from the 2015 run. I’m happy he’s doing well in Carolina though.

 

[piteus]

As a Hawk he was kind of a letdown and never matched his play from the 2015 run. I’m happy he’s doing well in Carolina though.

I don't think TT was ever going to consistently click with Q. They had their moments, but their styles never seemed like a match.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Just for comparison sake, Henrik Sedin had a .18 goals per game in the NHL, and a .62 assist per game mark, with a .80PPG mark... was he a bad player? Would you be upset if Nylander turned into H. Sedin?

Adam Oates was a .25 goals per game guy in the NHL, but had 1.06 assists per game. He was one of the best playmakers to ever play the game, and sits in the HHoF. Bad player because he was primarily a setup man?

Comparing a C to a W doesn't make much sense. But, if you wish, find a successful winger that scored .20 GPG and was a big assist man.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

It’s good to hear Buffalo fans are defending him instead of calling him a bust.

Sounds like he might be closer to breaking out than a lot of people including me had realized.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Comparing a C to a W doesn't make much sense. But, if you wish, find a successful winger that scored .20 GPG and was a big assist man.

Come on, really MM? Look no further than Patrick Kane.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Come on, really MM? Look no further than Patrick Kane.

What are you looking at?

P.Kane scores nearly .40 goals per game for his career.
Not .25, not .20 and not .18.

Maybe I should have put "only".20 but I thought it was quite obvious

 

[ChiHawks10]

Comparing a C to a W doesn't make much sense. But, if you wish, find a successful winger that scored .20 GPG and was a big assist man.

What are you looking at?

P.Kane scores nearly .40 goals per game for his career.
Not .25, not .20 and not .18.

Maybe I should have put "only".20 but I thought it was quite obvious

Lol. How is that obvious? And how does it matter? He's still a kid developing...

 

[Rick C137]

It’s good to hear Buffalo fans are defending him instead of calling him a bust.

Sounds like he might be closer to breaking out than a lot of people including me had realized.

Most of them thought he should have made the Sabres last year from what I’ve read. Could be another Strome situation where he clearly wasn’t in favor of the management.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Lol. How is that obvious?

By your ridiculous comparison of H. Sundin and Adam Oates to Nylander. 2 very successful low goal scoring centers were somehow comparable to a winger in your post. (see post 260)

If low GPG wingers can be successful because of their setup prowess, you should be able to tick off a few of them.

 

[ChiHawks10]

By your ridiculous comparison of H. Sundin and Adam Oates to Nylander. 2 very successful low goal scoring centers were somehow comparable to a winger in your post.

If low GPG wingers can be successful because of their setup prowess, you should be able to tick off a few of them.

Lol.

Position doesn't matter in my argument. Particularly when you don't know if Nylander will increase his gpg. You're the one that made the ridiculous assertion about Nylander, likely having never seen him play, and only basing your opinion on goals per game for a young, developing player, and not focusing in any way on his ppg. If he can be a .5ppg player in the NHL, no matter how, he'll be a solid player. Who gives a shit how he gets to .5ppg? I don't care if he becomes a star. I care if he's a productive, useful player.

And I wasn't comparing him to those players. I was pointing out that a player can still be good, even if he doesn't score a million goals.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Position doesn't matter in my argument.

Then you have NO argument. Certain positions DEMAND certain things.

Who gives a **** how he gets to .5ppg?

Really? I thought you posted somewhere here that you played?

 

[ChiHawks10]

Then you have NO argument. Certain positions DEMAND certain things.



Really? I thought you posted somewhere here that you played?

I have, and still do. You care how he gets to .5ppg? Whether it's assists or goals? Really? Lol. I suppose back in your heyday, goals were worth 2 points, and assists worth 1, am I right?

Are you saying that if Nylander becomes a .5ppg player, you'll be mad?

 

[clydesdale line]

Comparing a C to a W doesn't make much sense. But, if you wish, find a successful winger that scored .20 GPG and was a big assist man.

Claude Giroux? Or are we still pretending that he's a center..

 

[ChiHawks10]

Claude Giroux? Or are we still pretending that he's a center..

Nah, .29gpg. Too high...

He wants "exactly" .20gpg

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Nah, .29gpg. Too high...

He wants "exactly" .20gpg

Still higher than your poor comparisons of Sedin and Oates

 

[ChiHawks10]

Still higher than your poor comparisons of Sedin and Oates

Lol. You and your boomer condescension, and air of superiority. So typical. Let's just completely ignore the fact that this all started with you making a ridiculous assumption about a young player, while completely ignoring data in front of you, having never seen the player actually play.
Done talking with you about this.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

I have, and still do. You care how he gets to .5ppg? Whether it's assists or goals? Really? Lol. I suppose back in your heyday, goals were worth 2 points, and assists worth 1, am I right?

Are you saying that if Nylander becomes a .5ppg player, you'll be mad?

You probably think all goals are equal too.

Get off the static stats pages.

 

[ChiHawks10]

You probably think all goals are equal too.

Get off the static stats pages.

Lol.