Player Discussion Alex Newhook (Part 2) : Book an Appointment with New Look Edition

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I see PPG and beyond. It's unusual to have a player with such tools that is missing just that little thing that will unlock great production.

He needs a full summer of stickhandling skills at full speed. But everything else is there.
What ppg tools does Newhook have beyond skating and effort?
 
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Its very plausible that Newhook has limited hockey IQ,
Not if you watch his play closely.
but he also seems to be playing balls to the wall at maximum intensity.
rico fata played like that, either even more speed, and couldn't be an nhl regular. Ditto liam foudy.

Josh Anderson does it with the physicality of a large frame.

newhook"s game shows considerably more than just speed and intensity.
What that indicates that his precision and judgment should soon improve.
His judgment is already at a very high level, odd that you cant see that.

The precision question... the best indicator would be the mix of his junior scoring output and his NHL scoring output relative to his age and usage thus far... both would suggest he's trending towards being a 25-30+ nhl goal scorer in his peak years.
 
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Its very plausible that Newhook has limited hockey IQ, but he also seems to be playing balls to the wall at maximum intensity. What that indicates that his precision and judgment should soon improve.
I agree. It takes time for IQ to catch up when you have blazing speed. He will get better IMO. He is snakebitten though. Needs to find the net.
 
I agree. It takes time for IQ to catch up when you have blazing speed. He will get better IMO. He is snakebitten though. Needs to find the net.
You either have hockey IQ or you don’t. It’s not like he was gifted great speed yesterday. He’s had it his whole career. If the IQ hasn’t caught up at this point, it won’t catch up now.
 
I see PPG and beyond. It's unusual to have a player with such tools that is missing just that little thing that will unlock great production.

He needs a full summer of stickhandling skills at full speed. But everything else is there.
I remember his first preseason camp with us, I said on here he’s a superstar and was better than Dach. I also had 4 hours of sleep though lol.

Honestly between Laine and Demidov he could put up big numbers. We’ll see how the rest of the season goes but I’d give him a long look between those two next year instead of these extravagant offers for a #2.

I’d stand pat this offseason honestly and see what we have internally
 
You either have hockey IQ or you don’t. It’s not like he was gifted great speed yesterday. He’s had it his whole career. If the IQ hasn’t caught up at this point, it won’t catch up now.
Reminds me of Anderson having questionable hockey sense and Marty trying to improve it. It took forever, but in the end, Anderson's success is just simplifying his game just to crash and bang north-south with good PK abilities, he's accepted that he won't approach that 50 point mark like that one year in Columbus.
 
I agree. It takes time for IQ to catch up when you have blazing speed. He will get better IMO. He is snakebitten though. Needs to find the net.

Imo it's less about it catching up to his speed, but rather learning and adapting to the reality of the level of speed, skill & strength of the NHL.

Posters with limited understanding of elite sports regularly confuse the transition and adaptation period of young skilled players with a lack of "hockey iq".

We saw it ad nauseum in Slaf's first 2 seasons, we've seen it talked about with Newhook, Roy of late. Heck, if you go back to BargainBin's last season, even Caulfield's hockey iq was being questioned when he struggled under Ducharme.

Understanding the game is one thing. Having the appropriate level of skill & physucsl ability to execute, another. Learning how best to leverage and apply ones unique skills/abilities to drive impact, is yet another, and learning how to navigate the pace/physicality and officiating of the NHL still another.

A player can have string hockey iq and fail to translate it effectively to the NHL if any one of those areas falls short. Few young athletes step in immediately with all 4 working well (like Hutson this year).
Work ethic, coachability, internal drive to keep improving... these are the intangibles that predict if an athlete can "put it all together"... health, usage/opportunity, roster circumstances (ie linemate quality), fit with coaching & org direction et. are the variables that determine how long it takes.

Lekhonen is a recent example... he didn't all of a sudden develop hockey iq when he went to Colorado, yet he doubled his productivity. Time, effort & circumstances simply unlocked the ability to execute & drive more consistent impact... for some of observers, the hockey iq was visible all along. Just need to understand what your looking at.
 
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Reminds me of Anderson having questionable hockey sense and Marty trying to improve it. It took forever, but in the end, Anderson's success is just simplifying his game just to crash and bang north-south with good PK abilities, he's accepted that he won't approach that 50 point mark like that one year in Columbus.
Exactly. Simplify their game and lower their usage/expectations and they can thrive. I think he’d be a very effective winger on a 3rd line.

This PPG and 2C talk is insane. 2 points in the last 9 games and people are acting like he’s McDavid.
 
Exactly. Simplify their game and lower their usage/expectations and they can thrive. I think he’d be a very effective winger on a 3rd line.

This PPG and 2C talk is insane. 2 points in the last 9 games and people are acting like he’s McDavid.
I'm still not sure he can be effective on the 3rd line given how he doesn't bring much else. I was a fan of his last year because he could weaponize his shot, but this seems like the Newhook the Avs gave up on. If we were a bottom 5 team again this year, I could see the argument in being more patient, but with how close we are in the playoff race this year, the next step is putting ourselves in a better position next year which means we can't afford Newhook/Dach to be a top 6 player producing like this.
 
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Reminds me of Anderson having questionable hockey sense and Marty trying to improve it. It took forever, but in the end, Anderson's success is just simplifying his game just to crash and bang north-south with good PK abilities, he's accepted that he won't approach that 50 point mark like that one year in Columbus.
I'd argue that Anderson is a good example of a player with strong hockey & physical skills, but limited hockey iq. His reads and decision making with the puck have always been weaknesses, largely overcome by his strong mix of physical skills and intensity.

His difficulty adapting to MSLs approach and the reality he seems to have fully accepted (that he has to play a simple, depth/conservative game to keep a roster spot in this group) imo speak to both his limitations and his humility. Can't be easy on the ego for an athlete only 30 years old with his skill set and past production peaks to recognize that despite the obvious roster need, he isn't a fit for top 6 or PP deployment... Watching Roy, Newhook, Gally cycle through those opportunities while he plays 14min a night can't be easy yet he has shown nothing but full engagement and buy in to his role all year.
 
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Exactly. Simplify their game and lower their usage/expectations and they can thrive. I think he’d be a very effective winger on a 3rd line.
Do you honestly not get why a player like Newhook could not be effective nor drive impact trying to play the style of game Anderson has adopted to be useful in our lineup and play style?

This PPG and 2C talk is insane. 2 points in the last 9 games and people are acting like he’s McDavid.
Hyperbole strawman comments like this typically suggest very poor understanding of the topic at hand.
 
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I'm still not sure he can be effective on the 3rd line given how he doesn't bring much else. I was a fan of his last year because he could weaponize his shot, but this seems like the Newhook the Avs gave up on. If we were a bottom 5 team again this year, I could see the argument in being more patient, but with how close we are in the playoff race this year, the next step is putting ourselves in a better position next year which means we can't afford Newhook/Dach to be a top 6 player producing like this.
He still drives the play positively for his team for the most part, and I prefer a 3rd line that can chip in offensively. Maybe they get him to start killing penalties next season as his speed could be effective there, much like Anderson. The thing with Anderson is he can win physical battles, which Newhook does not.

They’ll never do it, but if they could get rid of Gallagher, Newhook would be a good replacement on that 3rd line.
 
He still drives the play positively for his team for the most part, and I prefer a 3rd line that can chip in offensively. Maybe they get him to start killing penalties next season as his speed could be effective there, much like Anderson. The thing with Anderson is he can win physical battles, which Newhook does not.

They’ll never do it, but if they could get rid of Gallagher, Newhook would be a good replacement on that 3rd line.
Of course you can't just have a 3rd line composed of meat and potatoes grinders with high end defensive games, but I think one physical game or competent defensive game is an absolute must for a bottom 6 player.

I think Gallagher is more of an exception than the norm but even then, as good as Newhook's motor is, Gallagher is on a different level. The guy is going to score 20 goals with zero conditioning and 5'9.
 
I really don't mind Newhook when he doesn't have the Dach wet blanket weighing him down, plus Laine playing a more engaged game at 5 on 5.

A third line of Anderson-Newhook-Gallagher might be worth a look next year, with Heineman-Evans staying together and getting a new linemate if Armia is gone.
 
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Newhook played a much smarter game last season. No one was questioning his hockey IQ then. What the hell happened to his game?
 
Newhook played a much smarter game last season. No one was questioning his hockey IQ then. What the hell happened to his game?
Pretty sure it's a winger vs center question. He's looked much better recently when he got moved back to center. Last year he spent almost all of it at center, this year it's mostly been wing.
 
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Pretty cool to see that All the scrubs are redeeming themselves this year. Newhook, Gally, Anderson, Dvorak & armia.

Newhook could be a demon for us on the 3rd line once we get some upgrades. I love how hes not afraid to drive the net either. Had two identical chances in back to back games where he saw an opportunity to use his speed, beat around defender & get a good shot on net.

Good speed, good motor, uses his body, has a good shot but no finish....just needs to keep improving. Very happy with him this year. I hated this dude until recently lol
 
He reminds me of Alex Kerfoot a lot.

Very similar type of player. Can fill in at centre or wing. Speed creates a lot of chances.

He's just that type of tweener that can get 35 points one year, and 55 points another. He's not the bad type of tweener with no identity. Newhook is definition of a middle 6 forward. Can chip in the top 6 and PP2, but ideal role is on the 3rd line.
 
He reminds me of Alex Kerfoot a lot.

Very similar type of player. Can fill in at centre or wing. Speed creates a lot of chances.

He's just that type of tweener that can get 35 points one year, and 55 points another. He's not the bad type of tweener with no identity. Newhook is definition of a middle 6 forward. Can chip in the top 6 and PP2, but ideal role is on the 3rd line.
Offensively yes, but Kerfoot's been part of the top PK unit for Arizona/Utah and part of the secondary one when he was on the Leafs. Newhook needs to be able to take on that type of role to be an effective 3rd liner.
 
He's the modern Michael Grabner, except I don't even think he's that good. He's a Dzingel/Kapanen(Kasperi)/Grabner/Anderson type who makes up for a lack of hockey IQ by simply being faster than everyone. We've seen soooo many of these type of players over the last decade. Most of them fizzle out since they usually suck defensively. If he's lucky, he could end up becoming Duclair and carve out a decent career.

I actually don't mind him as the 3rd line center moving forward if it's a reasonable price. Speed is important to have on a team and his defensive game is slowly improving.
 
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