Value of: Alex Killorn’s next contract

[Sinbad]

Hawks have 41M+ in cap room for this offseason

Next offseason the Hawks drop from cap

Johnson ($5M)
Zaitsev ($4.5M)
Mrazek ($3.8M)
Dickinson ($2.65M)
Tinordi ($1.25M)
Blackwell ($1.2M)
Connolly buyout ($1,166,667)
Borgstrom buyout ($183,334)

There is no cap real downside or problem with them paying Killorn or someone else $5M-6M for next 3 years

Hawks have 2 players signed beyond 2024-25 = Seth Jones and Connor Murphy (FA in summer of 26)

Having available cap space or not, it is always a problem if you end up paying more than a player is worth. It is one thing to take on a bad contract if another team compensates you to do so but to go out and willingly overpay for a player never makes sense. Determine what a player is worth and then stick to your guns, going above value is why so many teams end up in cap hell.

Again, in my opinion Killorn with his age and mileage will not age well. I’ve seen people suggesting $5m - $6.5m on a multi year deal, I just don’t think that contract looks good down the road.

 

[HawksDub89]

No thanks, 33/34 year old with a lot of recent miles on that body with the Lightning cup runs means there is a good chance he doesn’t age well.

No more then $3m per year for 3 years, if the market pushes it above that Davidson should walk away.

It really doesn’t matter. KD could give him 7M per and it wouldn’t mean anything. (For 3 years)

He’s the ideal type of line mate you want around Bedard.

 

[Sinbad]

It really doesn’t matter. KD could give him 7M per and it wouldn’t mean anything. (For 3 years)

He’s the ideal type of line mate you want around Bedard.

Well that’s where I will respectfully disagree with you.

Just because you have the cap space doesn’t mean you spend like a sailor on shore leave. If you can bring in reliable, productive veterans on reasonable deals to help guide Bedard, you do so. To overpay for a player however, that will reduce the teams flexibility and could prevent them from pursuing better more cost efficient opportunities moving forward that could offer better rewards and ROI.

 

[HawksDub89]

Well that’s where I will respectfully disagree with you.

Just because you have the cap space doesn’t mean you spend like a sailor on shore leave. If you can bring in reliable, productive veterans on reasonable deals to help guide Bedard, you do so. To overpay for a player however, that will reduce the teams flexibility and could prevent them from pursuing better more cost efficient opportunities moving forward that could offer better rewards and ROI.

Yeah you’re just way overthinking it.

The hawks can afford to overpay a veteran by a million or two over three years. It won’t prevent them from doing anything.

 

[Sinbad]

Yeah you’re just way overthinking it.

The hawks can afford to overpay a veteran by a million or two over three years. It won’t prevent them from doing anything.

That to me is “Stan Bowman” think and we all know how that approach handcuffed the Hawks.

They can afford to overpay but that doesn’t mean they should; that’s something you do to secure the final piece of the puzzle… like Hossa.

 

[HawksDub89]

That to me is “Stan Bowman” think and we all know how that approach handcuffed the Hawks.

Right, but it’s not. You might check out capfriendly and do some math. Hawks need to hit the cap floor this season. And will have several contracts drop off over the next two years.

Your concerns make no sense.

 

[Sinbad]

Right, but it’s not. You might check out capfriendly and do some math. Hawks need to hit the cap floor this season. And will have several contracts drop off over the next two years.

You’re concerns make no sense.

Oh, I have check out capfriendly… and more than just the Hawks. There are multiple teams out there that will need assistance getting their financial house in order which the Hawks can benefit from. So as I said earlier, you take on someone else’s bad contract for a fee, not create your own bad contract by overpaying for an aging veteran who’s best days are in the rear view mirror. You still reach the cap and have stockpiled more assets which creates additional flexibility in future drafts or trade discussions.

Your approach you end up with an overpaid veteran. My approach you end up with an overpaid veteran and picks/prospects.

So earlier you said “you’re just way overthinking it” but to me you haven’t given it enough thought. You just want to spend because you can, I want to accomplish as much as possible with the available cap space.

 

[HawksDub89]

Oh, I have check out capfriendly… and more than just the Hawks. There are multiple teams out there that will need assistance getting their financial house in order which the Hawks can benefit from. So as I said earlier, you take on someone else’s bad contract for a fee, not create your own bad contract by overpaying for an aging veteran who’s best days are in the rear view mirror. You still reach the cap and have stockpiled more assets which creates additional flexibility in future drafts or trade discussions.

Your approach you end up with an overpaid veteran. My approach you end up with an overpaid veteran and picks/prospects.

So earlier you said “you’re just way overthinking it” but to me you haven’t given it enough thought. You just want to spend because you can, I want to accomplish as much as possible with the available cap space.

They could sign a free agent and take on a bad contract and still not be financially restrained. (Within reason)

Id rather pay a FA that’s a good fit than just trade for an underperforming vet that comes with a 3rd round pick.

I’m open to either way, or both. But your anxiety of Bowman’s cap issues is baseless in this scenario, for a multitude of reasons.

 

[BHawk21]

No thanks, 33/34 year old with a lot of recent miles on that body with the Lightning cup runs means there is a good chance he doesn’t age well.

No more then $3m per year for 3 years, if the market pushes it above that Davidson should walk away.

I would rather spend more to get a piece you want then try and save 1 or 2 million a year for 3 years when you dont need to save.

The hawks could pay him 10mil for 3 years and most likely it wont make a difference.

 

[More 2004]

Bro what lol

dummy years.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Killorn be good for Montreal. A mentor for all their youth

No chance. Habs are not interested in scumbags.

 

[Boud]

I could see Ottawa interested. Close from home for Killorn. Sens are pushing and need a good 3rd line player. He wouldn't cost the moon and if he's willing to sign for 3 years it could make a lot of sense for everyone. I'm sure he'll want to go to a team that will be competitive for the next few years and Ottawa is one of those teams. As a team they play a similar gritty style to Killorn.

Giroux was signed last season and the impact he had on the group was immense. A guy like Killorn who's on the older side and won cups to add to it would be a great fit. I think Sens will push hard for him.

 

[Sigurd]

Palat got 5x6m last season. Should be in the ballpark, right?

What teams might be looking to sign him (outside of Tampa)?

Carolina. He's physical, brings a scoring touch, and important experience with being a Cup champion.

However, they wouldn't sign him for 5 years for 6 million as you suggested. I mean, they could have it front-loaded more next season with all of their cap space, but after that? Nah, and I don't see it being for 5 years with them unless it's cheap in the last couple of years near his retirement.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Well that’s where I will respectfully disagree with you.

Just because you have the cap space doesn’t mean you spend like a sailor on shore leave. If you can bring in reliable, productive veterans on reasonable deals to help guide Bedard, you do so. To overpay for a player however, that will reduce the teams flexibility and could prevent them from pursuing better more cost efficient opportunities moving forward that could offer better rewards and ROI.

Agreed with your general statement. IMO, the most important thing for the Hawks is bringing in the "right" type of player, and the actual salary is less important (within reason). Killorn seems like that kind of player.

 

[Hobnobs]

Palat got 5x6m last season. Should be in the ballpark, right?

What teams might be looking to sign him (outside of Tampa)?

Yup, maybe that term but its possible and I can see Yzerman going for him.

 

[AndreRoy]

33/34 year old with a lot of recent miles on that body with the Lightning cup runs means there is a good chance he doesn’t age well.

That’s actually one thing you don’t have to worry about with Killorn. The guy’s missed a grand total of four games over the last eight seasons, his game isn’t reliant on speed, and he somehow keeps getting better the older he gets. Sure, the wheels are bound to fall off at some point, but at the moment he’s not only shown no sign of that happening anytime in the near future, he’s actually trending upward with age.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

"Killorn won't age well"

Meanwhile...in reality he's been getting older and playing the best hockey of his career while increasing his goals and PPG over the last 2 years. Killorn at 5.5AAV for 3 years is a steal for a winger who plays both wings, PK and PP, and still gets you at minimum 0.5PPG. People are insane sleeping on Killorn.

The only reason he doesn't re-sign in Tampa is because realistically he would have to take a ridiculous contract to even stay.

 

[Byrddog]

Killer has made 37.5 mil thru this contract. He wants to retire as a Bolt. He will resign or retire IMO. The guys a Harvard grad if I were betting his grand children will not have to work .

Just arguing semantics about where he will go is foolish. He has meant a much to the Lightning team money can’t buy that. I’m seeing a 10 mil contract for x number of years however the Lightning need to construct it.

There is no plan in place to replace his production short term . It will show bad on JBB letting him go after the Palat situation, all he has done is subtract depth scoring over the last two off seasons. At so point you go too deep. He needs to add depth not subtract again. Yes the cap has been the issue but that’s equal among all teams. He needs to do his damn job , the coattail ride from Yzerman is over now.

 

[Oddbob]

He's 33/34 and can get a long-term contract with dummy years. It would be foolish of him not to cash in big time. Playoff performer, lots of playoff experience, two rings -- he can make bank if he angles it right. Seven year deal arranged with two dummy years, why not? Cap is going up big time isn't it?

If I'm his agent I would push for a long deal with dummy years.

Seven years 12m - 10m - 8m - 4m - 2m - 1m - 1m is a cap hit of 5.43 and 38m total, this is probably the upper limit of what he could get

Seven years 12m - 10m - 5m - 3m - 1.5m -. 0.9m - 0.9m is a cap hit of 5.76 and 33.3m total, this is still a massive 4 year 30m contract with effectively three dummy years for the big boy

Seven years 10m - 8m - 6m - 3m - 1.5m - 0.9m - 0.9m is a cap hit of 4.33 and 30.3 total with a take home of 27m over four years

GMs will want more reasonable terms but he's going to have a cap hit of at least 5m and at least four or five years.

No team is giving Killorn 7 years. 34 before next season starts. His production will fall as he ages and will definitely fall if he leaves TB.

 

[DavidBL]

Can Killorn play RW?

 

[Conbon]

He's 33/34 and can get a long-term contract with dummy years. It would be foolish of him not to cash in big time. Playoff performer, lots of playoff experience, two rings -- he can make bank if he angles it right. Seven year deal arranged with two dummy years, why not? Cap is going up big time isn't it?

If I'm his agent I would push for a long deal with dummy years.

Seven years 12m - 10m - 8m - 4m - 2m - 1m - 1m is a cap hit of 5.43 and 38m total, this is probably the upper limit of what he could get

Seven years 12m - 10m - 5m - 3m - 1.5m -. 0.9m - 0.9m is a cap hit of 5.76 and 33.3m total, this is still a massive 4 year 30m contract with effectively three dummy years for the big boy

Seven years 10m - 8m - 6m - 3m - 1.5m - 0.9m - 0.9m is a cap hit of 4.33 and 30.3 total with a take home of 27m over four years

GMs will want more reasonable terms but he's going to have a cap hit of at least 5m and at least four or five years.

What year is it?

 

[LightningStrikes]

Can Killorn play RW?

Both wings

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Back to Tampa on a discount or to an up and coming team for a last pay day.

 

[BHawk21]

Killer has made 37.5 mil thru this contract. He wants to retire as a Bolt. He will resign or retire IMO. The guys a Harvard grad if I were betting his grand children will not have to work .

Just arguing semantics about where he will go is foolish. He has meant a much to the Lightning team money can’t buy that. I’m seeing a 10 mil contract for x number of years however the Lightning need to construct it.

There is no plan in place to replace his production short term . It will show bad on JBB letting him go after the Palat situation, all he has done is subtract depth scoring over the last two off seasons. At so point you go too deep. He needs to add depth not subtract again. Yes the cap has been the issue but that’s equal among all teams. He needs to do his damn job , the coattail ride from Yzerman is over now.

or he can go make 20-25 million in Chicago playing with Bedard.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Would love him on Ottawa if Debrincat is gone.