Alex Formenton sues agent for $20 million

[Melrose Munch]

Well since he's not a rapist and no one is even being charged with that

Yup, read through the whole thing, the defendant admitted everything was consensual, got paid out and consequently wants nothing to do with any of the proceedings, but the court of public opinion doesn't care about facts

This is false.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Strange lawsuit.
It says the agreement between player and agency ended 12th July 2022. So basically they adviced him legally for almost the first two weeks of Free agency. Then after having never signed a new deal, they still offered their services and he took them without being willing to sign a new agreement?

And some of his claims about not telling him implications of signing in Europe vs. future NHL career is common knowledge. At worst it can be that he in some way was strung along given that the agency might have gotten let's say reasonable positive feedbacks from the Senators but them wanting to wait to sign. I just don't see how this is on the agent/agency.

I'd say most listed is common knowledge and a player as well has to do his due diligence.
Also he was unofficially being represented for about 18 months after their agreement ended, so its most definitely combined with his own lack of research, as much his own fault. He probably knows all of it and just want to get money for a career he believe he should have.

He's mad he's an idiot that didn't get more hand holding and it turns out is a rapist or some level of sexual assault in Canada instead of "rapist"...

He's a clown.

 

[SirKillalot]

Do you really not understand this? It's all of those things.

Do you understand this? That is the question. If it is all those things. If it is, why isn't it mentioned they signed a new player-agent agreement?
Or they never signed a new one? Meaning they didn't represent him officially.
Which then would make it it expired, but he claim they continued to represent him.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Explain
What’s the issue with 3 levels of sexual assault.
Have you seen your legal system

Depends on which country you're talking about in "your" and if you need to use that joke then really you don't get it at all.

Canada routinely let's off criminals with the weakest punishment, you don't need to resort to what aboutism to deflect. All justice systems are ass. But in this situation it's in Canada. And in Canada, you can commit crimes and get barely a slap on the wrist.

 

[Barsky]

If that's true that is messed up. She shouldn't be paid out at all, she she be in jail and face the same charges. In fact the guys she victimized should be the ones paid out.

No, it's not like that, they paid her out for good reason. There was no non consensual contact but it's hard to parse through everything, that's partly why it took Lindon PD to take so painfully long to come through with charges. Lots of booze, some coercion, some voyeurism, all pretty sketchy, still hard to know what exactly happened and what the end result will be, but none of it is good, just not remotely the "6 person g@ngr@pe" that some make it out to be

 

[Memento]

Well since he's not a rapist and no one is even being charged with that

Yup, read through the whole thing, the defendant admitted everything was consensual, got paid out and consequently wants nothing to do with any of the proceedings, but the court of public opinion doesn't care about facts

Are you a lawyer for those five?

Sexual assault and sex without consent (and she absolutely did NOT consent to what amounted to a gang-rape led by McLeod; she's said that she expected to have sex with McLeod, not all of his teammates in the room, so don't give me that shit that she wanted a train) is rape. It may not be worded like that in the Canadien justice system, but it doesn't make it any less. What those five did to the woman was first degree sexual assault. She did not consent to that. That's rape. Or are you going to tell me that a wife can't refuse her husband's advances? Or that it's okay to have sex with an intoxicated woman/man even if they say they're fine?

Just because she got paid with a slush fund from Team Canada (a disgusting act in itself, and it makes me wonder how much they've hidden over the years) doesn't mean that the traumatic memories aren't there, that she shouldn't get justice.

And it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that she wants no part of the proceedings, nor do I blame her in the slightest; you think most people have the courage to bare themselves before the public, admit that they're raped while their rapist(s) are looking at them, being grilled by defense attorneys? I know I couldn't do that with my abuser (who didn't rape me, but abused me constantly), and while I don't know you as a person, I don't know if you could either.

So, yeah, my rebuttal.

 

[Barsky]

This is false.

Great refutation... Enlighten us then, it was ages ago that I read it and I have a sh1te memory

 

[Masked]

Do you understand this? That is the question. If it is all those things. If it is, why isn't it mentioned they signed a new player-agent agreement?
Or they never signed a new one? Meaning they didn't represent him officially.
Which then would make it it expired, but he claim they continued to represent him.

“During the negotiations of the Ambri-Piotta contract, Wade asked for a contract clause that would allow Alex to return to play with the NHL, should Newport Sports and Alex be able to negotiate a new NHL contract,”

Arnott is literally negotiating contracts for him and you're wondering if he's representing him? How embarrassing.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

No, it's not like that, they paid her out for good reason. There was no non consensual contact but it's hard to parse through everything, that's partly why it took Lindon PD to take so painfully long to come through with charges. Lots of booze, some coercion, some voyeurism, all pretty sketchy, still hard to know what exactly happened and what the end result will be, but none of it is good, just not remotely the "6 person g@ngr@pe" that some make it out to be

Why does it seem like your last few posts about this want to make it out that E.M was just in it for the money and no assault happened. Because all the info we know, shows she was definitely gang raped and hockey Canada paying her off to keep her quiet isn't new, they've done it several times in the past and had a fund for it.

If that's true that is messed up. She shouldn't be paid out at all, she she be in jail and face the same charges. In fact the guys she victimized should be the ones paid out.

It's not true. It's bs. She's been part of the investigation and acting like she doesn't is some weird bs.

 

[Barsky]

Why does it seem like your last few posts about this want to make it out that E.M was just in it for the money and no assault happened. Because all the info we know, shows she was definitely gang raped and hockey Canada paying her off to keep her quiet isn't new, they've done it several times in the past and had a fund for it.

That wasn't my intent, you're reading into things wrong then and I'm not getting into this minefield further, I wasn't there & neither were you, so neither of us "know" what happened

 

[kp61c]

if he is a rapist, why is he not in jail?

 

[Memento]

if he is a rapist, why is he not in jail?

Because they're still in the process of being indicted. Formenton should be in a jail cell. All of those five should be in a jail cell until the trial, in my honest opinion, and it disgusts me that McLeod (the ringleader) and Dube are in the KHL and never have to come back because of politics that I'm not getting into. But Canada's a lot more lenient in the process than the U.S. Doesn't make it better or worse; it just is.

 

[Masked]

Because they're still in the process of being indicted. Formenton should be in a jail cell. All of those five should be in a jail cell until the trial, in my honest opinion, and it disgusts me that McLeod (the ringleader) and Dube are in the KHL and never have to come back because of politics that I'm not getting into. But Canada's a lot more lenient in the process than the U.S. Doesn't make it better or worse; it just is.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[MXD]

if he is a rapist, why is he not in jail?

Because there's this thing called bail, that he can absolutely afford, and I suppose he hasn't been deemed a flight risk or a reoffending risk (considering the conditions he'll have to respect).

 

[Golden_Jet]

Because they're still in the process of being indicted. Formenton should be in a jail cell. All of those five should be in a jail cell until the trial, in my honest opinion, and it disgusts me that McLeod (the ringleader) and Dube are in the KHL and never have to come back because of politics that I'm not getting into. But Canada's a lot more lenient in the process than the U.S. Doesn't make it better or worse; it just is.

No, in the states you just have to be rich and powerful, to get off.
Look at NFL and NBA for examples, doesn’t just apply to sports.

 

[MXD]

Agents do not have an obligation of result -- only an obligation of means. Unless the agent has committed a fault in the exercise of his duties within the meaning of the common law (something I highly doubt, but is certainly possible), this is the kind of case that is likely to be dismissed fairly quickly, with costs against the plaintiff (Formenton).

EDIT : What is claimed is ... well, it does look bad on the agent though. But it's only that : claims. And knowing what I know about agency, I doubt the agent would've ended up at Newport if he failed to advise Formenton of something so obvious that I'm kinda surprised Formenton himself wasn't aware of that.

 

[Memento]

Innocent until proven guilty.

Not in the court of public opinion. Not with rapists and abusers. Not when they've already been indicted and there's enough evidence to bury them.

No, in the states you just have to be rich and powerful, to get off.
Look at NFL and NBA for examples, doesn’t just apply to sports.

That much is very much true. I agree with that.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I know people don't like the guy, but that shouldn't cloud whether he has a case here.

He's innocent until proven guilty with the rape case. He has every right to sue the agent because of how they handled his career after the rape allegations. They don't have the right to misrepresent him just because he might've raped someone. Bad guys are represented too, and we don't even know for sure he's a bad guy. Time will tell about that.

His claims don't sound frivolous. Doubt he gets all the money he's suing for, but depending on the details he may have a case. I doubt it goes to trial. They'll probably just settle for some small amount.

 

[Masked]

Not in the court of public opinion. Not with rapists and abusers. Not when they've already been indicted and there's enough evidence to bury them.

The court of public opinion is not real. There's been little evidence made public. The only thing the public has to go on is are the allegations in a statement of claim. There was so little evidence that the police did not proceed with the case until it became heavily politicized.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[MXD]

I know people don't like the guy, but that shouldn't cloud whether he has a case here.

He's innocent until proven guilty with the rape case. He has every right to sue the agent because of how they handled his career after the rape allegations. They don't have the right to misrepresent him just because he might've raped someone. Bad guys are represented too, and we don't even know for sure he's a bad guy. Time will tell about that.

His claims don't sound frivolous. Doubt he gets all the money he's suing for, but depending on the details he may have a case. I doubt it goes to trial. They'll probably just settle for some small amount.

You give A LOT of weight to things are that, ultimately, claims. Which haven't been tested in the slightest.

The court of public opinion is not real. There's been little evidence made public. The only thing the public has to go on is are the allegations in a statement of claim. There was so little evidence that the police did not proceed with the case until it became heavily politicized.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You know what is also only allegations on a statement of claim?

Formenton's allegations against his agent.

 

[Memento]

I know people don't like the guy, but that shouldn't cloud whether he has a case here.

He's innocent until proven guilty with the rape case. He has every right to sue the agent because of how they handled his career after the rape allegations. They don't have the right to misrepresent him just because he might've raped someone. Bad guys are represented too, and we don't even know for sure he's a bad guy. Time will tell about that.

His claims don't sound frivolous. Doubt he gets all the money he's suing for, but depending on the details he may have a case. I doubt it goes to trial. They'll probably just settle for some small amount.

Of course, everyone deserves proper representation, even the worst of the criminals. It doesn't mean that he has a case here.

Formenton was an AHL-level player. Top-six or bust was what I heard about him, and he wasn't nearly talented enough to be top-six. So, where the hell is twenty million for future earnings coming from? The AHL doesn't pay that kind of money. Europe, to my knowledge, wouldn't pay him this amount of money. So, where the hell is he getting twenty million?

Maybe the claims are settled, but I think it's an especially frivolous lawsuit, considering the money and circumstances.

The court of public opinion is not real. There's been little evidence made public. The only thing the public has to go on is are the allegations in a statement of claim. There was so little evidence that the police did not proceed with the case until it became heavily politicized.

Innocent until proven guilty.

It is very much real. We all judge each other for various slights; it's part of being human. And in the court of public opinion, rapists and abusers are not looked at in a good light.

And London police didn't proceed with the case for various reasons, a fair bit of which is because of local and national politics. Unfortunately, a lot of rape cases are dismissed or delayed by police, rape kits left in storage for years and years, rape victims re-victimized by having their testimony rejected by authorities (which is what happened here).

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Of course, everyone deserves proper representation, even the worst of the criminals. It doesn't mean that he has a case here.

Formenton was an AHL-level player. Top-six or bust was what I heard about him, and he wasn't nearly talented enough to be top-six. So, where the hell is twenty million for future earnings coming from? The AHL doesn't pay that kind of money. Europe, to my knowledge, wouldn't pay him this amount of money. So, where the hell is he getting twenty million?

Maybe the claims are settled, but I think it's an especially frivolous lawsuit, considering the money and circumstances.

How can you say he was an AHL level player? At the time when the representation ended, he had just come off an 18 goal and 32 point season in 79 games. He's also not a natural pure skill guy. More of a speedy guy that can chip in some offense, but his speed is the best asset. Those totals for what he is are pretty good. This was at the age of 22, and at the age of 20 he had 27 goals and 53 total points in 61 AHL games. There's every reason to believe he had a role in the NHL. Claiming he was an AHL player is bonkers.

Maybe he doesn't reach 1000 games. I agree with your suggestion that he might've not stuck in the NHL for that many years (hard to know exactly), but whether that's true doesn't really matter towards whether he has a case (dollar amount is a different discussion, I'll get to that below). If he'd have an NHL spot on merit at the time he was advised what he was, he's an NHL player for the sake of his claim in this lawsuit.

I think the 20 million in earnings sounds spurious. I don't know that he'll get anywhere near what he asks for, but I can see him getting something out of this from Newport. And it's a common tactic anyway in a lawsuit to ask for more than you deserve. Same thing that's done with contract negotiations. You start very high, and let the price be driven down to a point both sides can meet at.

 

[Masked]

Formenton was an AHL-level player. Top-six or bust was what I heard about him, and he wasn't nearly talented enough to be top-six. So, where the hell is twenty million for future earnings coming from? The AHL doesn't pay that kind of money. Europe, to my knowledge, wouldn't pay him this amount of money. So, where the hell is he getting twenty million?

This is a completely ignorant take on Formenton. You should stop listening to whoever told you that.

 

[SirKillalot]

“During the negotiations of the Ambri-Piotta contract, Wade asked for a contract clause that would allow Alex to return to play with the NHL, should Newport Sports and Alex be able to negotiate a new NHL contract,”

Arnott is literally negotiating contracts for him and you're wondering if he's representing him? How embarrassing.

You realize that this it the comments from only Formenton's side right?
I know of plenty of players in sports having had an agent negotiating contracts for players without officially representing them by having a legal agreement. If you don't have enough knowledge about the "business" then don't call embarrassing when you clearly don't know. And its okay if you don't know, but don't just take things listed there as facts is its the only side of lawsuit so far.

Now it might be that they made a new agreement, but its not listed. Actually it specifically says it wasn't extended. That is what I'm questioning and its a valid question all the time they actually listed that their initial agreement expired.
Later on it was listed the relation ended in the beginning of 2024, but it didn't list that it was an agreement ending, it should be listed like in the first instance then if there was one present. It doesn't make sense to have two different wordings does it?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Worth a shot from his pov. Even if Arnott and Newport think they could win, given they were repping Formenton throughout the alleged incident and subsequent investigations, it’s possible some details of their advisement and involvement could become public that they’d rather not have out there, possibly even opening them up to further potential civil liability. They may just be better off quietly settling with him.