Alex Formenton sues agent for $20 million

[Silky Johnson]

The irony of a rapist feeling like he got taken advantage of and had his future destroyed.

I hope Wade counter sues for his construction boots and the $50 bucks he has left in his account.


Canadian justice system is an epic joke.

WTF? The criminal justice system is an epic joke because they use the words "Sexual Assault" as opposed to "Rape"?

The criminal code has three basic types of sexual assault. As per the code:

"Sexual assault level 1 (s. 271):An assault committed in circumstances of a sexual nature such that the sexual integrity of the victim is violated. Level 1 involves minor physical injuries or no injuries to the victim.Sexual assault level 2 (s. 272):Sexual assault with a weapon, threats, or causing bodily harm.Aggravated sexual assault (level 3):Sexual assault that results in wounding, maiming, disfiguring or endangering the life of the victim."

The maximum sentences are 10, 14 and Life respectively. These penalties are pretty much in line with the US and stricter than much of Europe.

The reason for changing the name from "rape" was regarding victim stigmatisation. So pretty well motivated.

In the end it's just semantics but carries very serious consequences.

 

[Voight]

The irony of a rapist feeling like he got taken advantage of and had his future destroyed.

I hope Wade counter sues for his construction boots and the $50 bucks he has left in his account.


Canadian justice system is an epic joke.

It is, but not in this context/situation.

It's a joke for other reasons.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Of course, everyone deserves proper representation, even the worst of the criminals. It doesn't mean that he has a case here.

Formenton was an AHL-level player. Top-six or bust was what I heard about him, and he wasn't nearly talented enough to be top-six. So, where the hell is twenty million for future earnings coming from? The AHL doesn't pay that kind of money. Europe, to my knowledge, wouldn't pay him this amount of money. So, where the hell is he getting twenty million?

Maybe the claims are settled, but I think it's an especially frivolous lawsuit, considering the money and circumstances.



It is very much real. We all judge each other for various slights; it's part of being human. And in the court of public opinion, rapists and abusers are not looked at in a good light.

And London police didn't proceed with the case for various reasons, a fair bit of which is because of local and national politics. Unfortunately, a lot of rape cases are dismissed or delayed by police, rape kits left in storage for years and years, rape victims re-victimized by having their testimony rejected by authorities (which is what happened here).

Alex Forementon was not an AHL level player

He was great in the AHL and had a 18 goal rookie season. Great skater with lots of upside potencial.

Calling him a top 6 or bust is a ridiculous statement. He played with alot of grit and sandpaper and was potentially an elite PKer. The guy would have been a sold 3rd liner at a minimum.

I don't know if he was guilty and will leave that for the court but you clearly have no idea about the player.

Also, I think your characterisation of the events and investigation are very flawed but will keep it to hockey.

 

[Memento]

Not going to comment on your other statements but Alex Forementon was not an NHL level player

He was great in the AHL and had a 18 goal rookie season. Great skater with lots of upside potencial.

Calling him a top 6 or bust is a ridiculous statement. He played with alot of grit and sandpaper and was potentially an elite PKer. The guy would have been a sold 3rd liner at a minimum.

I don't know if he was guilty and will leave that for the court but you clearly have no idea about the player.

Also, I think your characterisation of the events and investigation are very flawed but will keep it to hockey.

I have had many people comment on my thoughts of Alex Formenton as a player. I will rebut with the fact that I simply don't give a damn about his career. He was not a St. Louis Blue, nor was he related to anything on my team, so I did not care. I especially don't care now that he's a rapist. If you thought that I'd give a damn about a rapist's career in anything that has nothing to do with their crime, you are sorely mistaken, and I won't apologize for what I said.

But as for the bolded? What is in my characterization that is flawed? I have paid very close attention to this story (because, as a hockey fan of the Blues who had players on that 2018 team in Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou, and as a woman who wants nothing to do with cheering on rapists, I made sure to pay attention). From what we can gather - and of course, the courts will hear of this - my characterization is this:

Michael McLeod led the victim into a hotel room from a bar. She was intoxicated and expected to have consensual sex with McLeod. McLeod had four of his buddies, Formenton, Dillon Dube, Cal Foote, and Carter Hart run a train that she never agreed to - in other words, a gang-rape. They would not let her leave the room until they were finished. They forced her to shower and filmed her while she was in tears, instructing her to say that everything that happened to her was consensual. Team Canada provided a slush fund to pay her off. She wanted to go public, but politics in London's police prevented her from doing so, and she was again re-victimized by the authorities.

There was an investigation, but it took its sweet time because of Hockey Canada's politics. Suspicions about improper conduct by Formenton and other players ran across the league, but it couldn't be proven...until they were indicted. They were all cut from their teams. McLeod and Dube went to the KHL, and will likely never be extradited back to Canada because of current global politics, will continue to earn money playing a child's game after what they did - especially in McLeod's case for leading this, hence his two charges to their one.

This entire story has nothing to do with hockey. It has everything to do with conscienceless individuals who never even considered to think that rape - and you can dress it up all you want with the sexual assault laws; it's still rape - is utterly wrong and "belonged' only in primitive medieval times after an army sacked a city - not that it was justified in those times either.

This particular story has one of said conscienceless individuals trying to sue his agent for twenty-million dollars when he didn't tell his agent that he had been a part of a gang rape of a woman, when he had already refused a contract that was given to him by an NHL team, when he no longer employed the agency...and now that he's in construction, he cries for himself and his lost dream instead of the ruined life he left in his wake.

So, forgive me for not giving a single f*** about his sob story, his career, or anything other than the fact that he is a rapist that deserves scorn and ridicule for suing an agent frivolously.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

That's not really how it works.

A verdict can be guilty, or not guilty.

Guilty means that guilt is proven beyond a reasoble doubt.

Not guilty means that guilt is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That's all.

There's no such thing as "proven innocent" in a criminal case. Exhibit "A": O.J. Simpson.

Cope and seethe.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I have had many people comment on my thoughts of Alex Formenton as a player. I will rebut with the fact that I simply don't give a damn about his career. He was not a St. Louis Blue, nor was he related to anything on my team, so I did not care. I especially don't care now that he's a rapist. If you thought that I'd give a damn about a rapist's career in anything that has nothing to do with their crime, you are sorely mistaken, and I won't apologize for what I said.

But as for the bolded? What is in my characterization that is flawed? I have paid very close attention to this story (because, as a hockey fan of the Blues who had players on that 2018 team in Robert Thomas and Jordan Kyrou, and as a woman who wants nothing to do with cheering on rapists, I made sure to pay attention). From what we can gather - and of course, the courts will hear of this - my characterization is this:

Michael McLeod led the victim into a hotel room from a bar. She was intoxicated and expected to have consensual sex with McLeod. McLeod had four of his buddies, Formenton, Dillon Dube, Cal Foote, and Carter Hart run a train that she never agreed to - in other words, a gang-rape. They would not let her leave the room until they were finished. They forced her to shower and filmed her while she was in tears, instructing her to say that everything that happened to her was consensual. Team Canada provided a slush fund to pay her off. She wanted to go public, but politics in London's police prevented her from doing so, and she was again re-victimized by the authorities.

There was an investigation, but it took its sweet time because of Hockey Canada's politics. Suspicions about improper conduct by Formenton and other players ran across the league, but it couldn't be proven...until they were indicted. They were all cut from their teams. McLeod and Dube went to the KHL, and will likely never be extradited back to Canada because of current global politics, will continue to earn money playing a child's game after what they did - especially in McLeod's case for leading this, hence his two charges to their one.

This entire story has nothing to do with hockey. It has everything to do with conscienceless individuals who never even considered to think that rape - and you can dress it up all you want with the sexual assault laws; it's still rape - is utterly wrong and "belonged' only in primitive medieval times after an army sacked a city - not that it was justified in those times either.

This particular story has one of said conscienceless individuals trying to sue his agent for twenty-million dollars when he didn't tell his agent that he had been a part of a gang rape of a woman, when he had already refused a contract that was given to him by an NHL team, when he no longer employed the agency...and now that he's in construction, he cries for himself and his lost dream instead of the ruined life he left in his wake.

So, forgive me for not giving a single f*** about his sob story, his career, or anything other than the fact that he is a rapist that deserves scorn and ridicule for suing an agent frivolously.

When I read your posts in imagine your voice is a lispy high pitched shriek. It's funnier that way and really follows along with the context.

If you don't care about this in the context of hockey, don't make uninformed takes on the player, and don't cry about it when corrected.

Your comment on "dressing up Canada sexual assault laws" I assume is directed at my other post, which you clearly did not comprehend. I am saying "Sexual Assault" is was the criminal system in Canada calls rape and that they have similar penalties to other countries. If guilty they are rapists.

If these guys are found guilty, I hope they get long prison sentences.

That being said, much of what you are saying is speculative and misleading. This situation will be tested in court and doesn't need loudmouth like you virtue signalling all over the Internet.

 

[Memento]

When I read your posts in imagine your voice is a lispy high pitched shriek. It's funnier that way and really follows along with the context.

If you don't care about this in the context of hockey, don't make uninformed takes on the player, and don't cry about it when corrected.

Your comment on "dressing up Canada sexual assault laws" I assume is directed at my other post, which you clearly did not comprehend. I am saying "Sexual Assault" is was the criminal system in Canada calls rape and that they have similar penalties to other countries. If guilty they are rapists.

If these guys are found guilty, I hope they get long prison sentences.

That being said, much of what you are saying is speculative and misleading. This situation will be tested in court and doesn't need loudmouth like you virtue signalling all over the Internet.

You haven't said what about what I said is speculative or misleading. All of what I said can be corroborated. Can your fantasy say the same? Thus far, you've just bitched about my "virtue signalling" (by the by, it's spelled "signaling". If you want to call me or anyone else out on it, perhaps you should have the common courtesy to spell it correctly?) and picture me as a "loudmouth" woman with a "lispy high pitched shriek". Nice dog-whistle there, buddy.

Crying? Again, I don't give a shit beyond the legal reasons. Right now, I'm just rolling my eyes at another guy crawling out of the woodworks to say in a misleading way that what Formenton and his buddies did wasn't as bad as the media has portrayed it, that "the courts will prove them innocent" (like one astute person stated, it's "not guilty" or "guilty" and he explained why in a way that explained it perfectly, followed by the "brilliant" observation from the person whom he quoted - and I quote said person's words verbatim, "Cope and seethe."), that "the court of public opinion doesn't exist" when it clearly does.

This is why I loathe this site sometimes - and the only reason I still come here is because I haven't found a better site for my team, and because there are still people worth the hours in a day on this site.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Karma for being a sack of shit human being

 

[Silky Johnson]

You haven't said what about what I said is speculative or misleading. All of what I said can be corroborated. Can your fantasy say the same? Thus far, you've just bitched about my "virtue signalling" (by the by, it's spelled "signaling". If you want to call me or anyone else out on it, perhaps you should have the common courtesy to spell it correctly?) and picture me as a "loudmouth" woman with a "lispy high pitched shriek". Nice dog-whistle there, buddy.

Crying? Again, I don't give a shit beyond the legal reasons. Right now, I'm just rolling my eyes at another guy crawling out of the woodworks to say in a misleading way that what Formenton and his buddies did wasn't as bad as the media has portrayed it, that "the courts will prove them innocent" (like one astute person stated, it's "not guilty" or "guilty" and he explained why in a way that explained it perfectly, followed by the "brilliant" observation from the person whom he quoted - and I quote said person's words verbatim, "Cope and seethe."), that "the court of public opinion doesn't exist" when it clearly does.

This is why I loathe this site sometimes - and the only reason I still come here is because I haven't found a better site for my team, and because there are still people worth the hours in a day on this site.

You are portraying untested reports as facts. You are inferring motivation and intension regarding police investigations, the victim and the accused. I don't believe YOU can corroborate anything as everything you know about this case is second hand and untested.

But then again why would you? You are just some shrieking person on the internet.

The intellectually honest position in regards to cases like this is agnosticism until the cases are made and tested.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't loathe rapists (yes i agree that rapist is a better word then sexual assaultist). It doesn't mean that you don't support long jail sentences for the guilty.

Being critical of Hockey Canada is fine as their behaviour is problematic regardless of this specific case. Calling for the second criminal investigation is also reasonable.

You act like the not guilty≠ innocent thing is some kind of revelation. Of course it isn't. Criminal courts do not even attempt to prove innocence because innocence is presumed and the burden to change that is on the state.

But why rush to make your own determination of guilt? Why not wait until you have the full story, tested under cross examination. I'd submit that it makes you feel good/superior at the expense of intellectual honesty, hence the accusation of virtue signalling.

By the way, the British/Canadian spelling of signalling has two L's, another thing you seem to be ignorant of.

Don't worry, the high pitched shriek that I imagine your voice as is definitely that of a man. Just a very worked up effeminate man. Not that there is anything wrong with that, that's just how I imagine your voice.

My original post was correcting a shitty hockey take you made on Formenton. You say you don't give a f*** but you still took the time to make it.

The reason I often loathe this site is because of people who use the phrase "dog whistle" crawl out of the woodwork

 

[Big McLargehuge]

Go sit on a pear of anguish you irredeemable sack of shit.

 

[ORRFForever]

I wish him luck with his case.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

These threads are always a fascinating 'slice of life' look into the mind and intentions of the 'average man.' I learn more and more everyday and all I need to do is sit back and watch. Fascinating.

 

[NyQuil]

I have had many people comment on my thoughts of Alex Formenton as a player. I will rebut with the fact that I simply don't give a damn about his career. He was not a St. Louis Blue, nor was he related to anything on my team, so I did not care. I especially don't care now that he's a rapist. If you thought that I'd give a damn about a rapist's career in anything that has nothing to do with their crime, you are sorely mistaken, and I won't apologize for what I said.

This is a very strange and convoluted way to admit that you were wrong, but that’s ok, it happens to everyone.

Maybe don’t try to be so authoritative on something you don’t know anything about next time.

 

[Reality Czech]

I have been sued and have sued people

Living the American dream lol

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

I wish him luck with his case.

Why?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

When I read your posts in imagine your voice is a lispy high pitched shriek. It's funnier that way and really follows along with the context.

If you don't care about this in the context of hockey, don't make uninformed takes on the player, and don't cry about it when corrected.

Your comment on "dressing up Canada sexual assault laws" I assume is directed at my other post, which you clearly did not comprehend. I am saying "Sexual Assault" is was the criminal system in Canada calls rape and that they have similar penalties to other countries. If guilty they are rapists.

If these guys are found guilty, I hope they get long prison sentences.

That being said, much of what you are saying is speculative and misleading. This situation will be tested in court and doesn't need loudmouth like you virtue signalling all over the Internet.

We need to put that lid back on top of your head, trashman.

 

[Silky Johnson]

We need to put that lid back on top of your head, trashman.

The truth hurts I suppose.