I've made numerous remarks citing Martinez's sheltered minutes before. Sorry if I didn't feel like typing them all up again.
Martinez has excelled when he has played on the third pairing. In the past, when there were more demands of him, he struggled. He had plenty of powerplay time, with very little penalty killing time.
Now this season, I agree, he has looked better. I also appreciate his ability to play on both the right and left side.
But I don't believe the performance to date has warranted a salary of a top four defenseman, when he has only had to be a top four defenseman for a quarter of a season.
Edit: Also wanted to add I avoided getting into detail, because often times people here aren't very good at discussing dissenting opinions without resorting to rudeness or trash talking. This thread littered with calling the article "trash" and your smartass remark about how "I did an incredible job supporting my statement" when I simply said there's merit to the article just further proves that point.
You (general you) can make this place absolutely no fun discussing issues at times.
Edit: Also wanted to add I avoided getting into detail, because often times people here aren't very good at discussing dissenting opinions without resorting to rudeness or trash talking. This thread littered with calling the article "trash" and your smartass remark about how "I did an incredible job supporting my statement" when I simply said there's merit to the article just further proves that point.
You (general you) can make this place absolutely no fun discussing issues at times.
You've nailed my biggest concern. He is essentially making 3-4 money, but hasn't yet succeeded on a consistent basis with 3-4 minutes. This year he is playing closer to it...with an average of almost 20, and has been in slump mode except for the last few.
Overall they are paying for potential though. He HAS played well with those minutes in the past but not consistently.
It's a decently risky contract if he ends up being just a 5-6. Standard if he settles into 3-4 as he enters his prime.
Those are 4 minutes of my life I'll never get back. This is the problem with people who are so friggin' absorbed with stats, they forget to actually watch the player. He has been one of our best players this season and he's not afraid to shoot the puck (yes, Drew, I'm looking at you!)
I'm surprided nobody has noticed that Voynov has played horrible since january last year. In the playoffs he was a turn over machine and was constantly overmatched. He has regressed quite a bit since 2013 IMO.
Martinez might not face the best competition but he's doing a better job than him but I'm on the fence with this deal.
I also agree with Kings' Pawn, like always. He is one of the few who doesnt take everything for granted.
let's take some meaningless numbers from the past when Martinez got very little ice time
At this point, I will say that the numbers are concerning, but it is a small sample...That said, we should look at this again in mid-February and see if there is an upward trend in his overall performance ...For now, I think it is too early to tell.
you don't want to simply let him go and have another repeat of Phillipe Boucher
I make a point of reading an article when I see that Sheng Peng wrote it.
Usually that approach is easier to read when there's another subject of comparison
Honest question: if Dwight King, from the same draft year, looked like the Kings' best player this season for the same amount of time while on the second line AFTER SCORING THE MOST TWO OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT GOALS IN FRANCHISE HISTORY, how many people would feel comfortable getting 6 years/$4 million, which is a fair rate for a second liner?
Those are 4 minutes of my life I'll never get back. This is the problem with people who are so friggin' absorbed with stats, they forget to actually watch the player. He has been one of our best players this season and he's not afraid to shoot the puck (yes, Drew, I'm looking at you!)
i actually think he's played even better since the signing. He's been very active in the pp's the last two games.
That's why Moneyball only works for regular season baseball games; if it were a championship-level success, then explain why Billy Beane hasn't won a World Series title with that system for at least a decade.
I deliberately mentioned that baseball concept in HFBoards, because of the fact I do not want to see this stats obsession affect playoff contention.
We do have to be careful not to focus too much on the wrong stats though
For the record, I think resigning A-Mart to his contract was a good move and is justified for a player of his caliber.
Sure, past deployment doesn't necessarily indicate one's true value or potential—I don't live in a world where Ellerby or Regehr are superior blueliners to Martinez.
That's why Moneyball only works for regular season baseball games; if it were a championship-level success, then explain why Billy Beane hasn't won a World Series title with that system for at least a decade.
Those are 4 minutes of my life I'll never get back. This is the problem with people who are so friggin' absorbed with stats, they forget to actually watch the player. He has been one of our best players this season and he's not afraid to shoot the puck (yes, Drew, I'm looking at you!)