Player Discussion Alain Vigneault Part VI

[Inferno]

Been saying it for 3 years now. He sucks.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Been saying it for 3 years now. He sucks.

So, after not being right for 2.75 years and being partially right now, do you feel vindicated for your heroic stance?

 

[silverfish]

So, after not being right for 2.75 years and being partially right now, do you feel vindicated for your heroic stance?

I do!

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I do!

Congrats guys.

Just to get a little ahead of the game, I am going to go on record now saying our next coach, whoever that is, sucks and needs to be fired.

 

[silverfish]

Congrats guys.

Just to get a little ahead of the game, I am going to go on record now saying our next coach, whoever that is, sucks and needs to be fired.

 

[True Blue]

I still don`t understand how Vancouver had 55 SOG - Sedins are about to retire too.
It can`t only be AV defensive system.. ..cannot.))

Not being able to defend and leaving people wide open certainly helps

 

[True Blue]

So, after not being right for 2.75 years and being partially right now, do you feel vindicated for your heroic stance?

He was right for the other 2.75 as well. AV's bacon was saved by goalie greatness.

 

[Ori]

It`s part of the system too @True Blue

 

[Doctyl]

So, after not being right for 2.75 years and being partially right now, do you feel vindicated for your heroic stance?

It’s okay, not everyone is metaphorically literate enough to read the writing on the wall.

 

[JimmyG89]

Anyone who didn't at least come to the conclusion that after the 2016 series vs the Pens that AV should have been fired is delusional. Before that you could validate him still being coach after an SCF and ECF run.

That should be the official 100% agreed upon expiration date for AV. He's at least been coach for, by season's end, 2 years too long.

 

[Inferno]

3 years too long...honestly even the cup finals run was super smoke and mirrors.

 

[Tawnos]

He was right for the other 2.75 as well. AV's bacon was saved by goalie greatness.

When your system is predicated on goalie greatness, I don’t see that as a valid point.

Anyone who didn't at least come to the conclusion that after the 2016 series vs the Pens that AV should have been fired is delusional. Before that you could validate him still being coach after an SCF and ECF run.

That should be the official 100% agreed upon expiration date for AV. He's at least been coach for, by season's end, 2 years too long.

Somewhat agree. Except I would move the expiration to October 2016 when, after seeing his system collapse 6 months earlier, it became clear he wasn’t going to adjust the system.

 

[silverfish]

3 years too long...honestly even the cup finals run was super smoke and mirrors.

I don't entirely agree with this. That 13-14 team was good. And one of the main reasons for that was it was before AV could really put his stamp on the squad. A lot of the players on that team were Torts holdovers. It's no surprise that the longer AV has been here, the worse the team has gotten. This year being somewhat of a remarkably impressive dumpster fire.

 

[Tawnos]

I don't entirely agree with this. That 13-14 team was good. And one of the main reasons for that was it was before AV could really put his stamp on the squad. A lot of the players on that team were Torts holdovers. It's no surprise that the longer AV has been here, the worse the team has gotten. This year being somewhat of a remarkably impressive dumpster fire.

The 14-15 team was better.

The roster has gone steadily downhill from there.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I don't entirely agree with this. That 13-14 team was good. And one of the main reasons for that was it was before AV could really put his stamp on the squad. A lot of the players on that team were Torts holdovers. It's no surprise that the longer AV has been here, the worse the team has gotten. This year being somewhat of a remarkably impressive dumpster fire.

I would agree 100% SF. I don't see how the 13-14 team was a fluke run. We were the better team in every Eastern conference series, maybe even with the Penguins in the playoffs, and a top-3 team in the 2nd half of the regular season. Definitelythe best team during the Hank era we have had.

 

[silverfish]

The 14-15 team was better.

The roster has gone steadily downhill from there.

Maybe a more skilled team, but the 13-14 squad had the best underlying metrics of any AV team.

 

[Tawnos]

Maybe a more skilled team, but the 13-14 squad had the best underlying metrics of any AV team.

Back to the age old argument: which means more? Metrics or wins?

A healthy 2015 Rangers team has a better chance to win the Cup.

 

[silverfish]

Back to the age old argument: which means more? Metrics or wins?

A healthy 2015 Rangers team has a better chance to win the Cup.

Maybe, maybe not. The 13-14 team got farther. That's what we know for fact.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If you look at the 13-14 team in the 2nd half of the season, when they really found their footing, they went 25-12-4, so it's not like they were struggling to win games. Their metrics were also much better than the 14-15 teams. In fact, the 14-15 team got worse in the 2nd half of the season compared to the 1st half of the season.

 

[JohnC]

13-14 team>14-15 team AINEC

 

[JT Kreider]

13-14 team>14-15 team AINEC

And the 2012 team > all of them

 

[Tawnos]

Maybe, maybe not. The 13-14 team got farther. That's what we know for fact.

And yet, we also know for a fact that the 14-15 team won more games overall, including almost 18% more in the regular season, including almost 20% more ROWs, which is pretty significant. They won 2 less games in the playoffs, so it’s not like they weren’t close in that setting either. 3rd in both GF and GA, compared to 19/4 in 13-14.

In no way do I think the 13-14 was anything but a great team. And from one year to the next, all of the important players are the same, so it’s really talking about two of the same team, but the idea that they peaked solely in 13-14 is flat out incorrect. The peak lasted two years.

 

[kovazub94]

13-14 team was healthier than 14-15. That’s it.

 

[JohnC]

13-14 team was healthier than 14-15. That’s it.

Disagree. 14-15 is when the team started being one dimensional. That’s when the getting pinned in the dzone but scoring a ton of goals off the rush to bail them out started.

13-14 was a machine. Also no Tanner Glass.

 

[kovazub94]

Disagree. 14-15 is when the team started being one dimensional. That’s when the getting pinned in the dzone but scoring a ton of goals off the rush to bail them out started.

13-14 was a machine. Also no Tanner Glass.

This argument made me chuckle. How about I throw Yandle on 3rd pair as a counterweight?

Otherwise you call it one dimensional, I call it coming into its own. That team was truly the fastest in the league until other teams started to catch up.