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Confirmed with Link: Alain Vigneault fired

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Dactyl said:
The ****ed up part is that AV identified goaltending as the issue. The dude called out Henrik when he had a .930 on the season and then a few months later tells the world that the strength of the rangers is the coaching staff. This guy is ****ing delusional.
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Sad part is if you take his stuff as a whole, the rangers have no issues... So why haven't you won shit AV?
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
You honestly don't see any significance to the fact that it happened at the soonest possible moment, on a Saturday night at 11PM? As opposed to waiting until Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon during normal business hours, after allowing 3-4 days for the dust to settle?

Putting it in corporate terms, the former is showing up to your office to find your entry card disabled and security waiting for you in reception, while the latter is having a cordial meeting with a regretful superior who offers you generous severance and allows you until the end of the week to get your affairs in order. At least IMO.
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You honestly think he went into yesterday's game thinking he was coming back? Or do you think the loss was the final straw?

What was seen as groveling or begging for his job was, to me his first step at getting his next job.

And you can't compare this to the corporate world, so I'm going to even try.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
You honestly think he went into yesterday's game thinking he was coming back? Or do you think the loss was the final straw?

What was seen as groveling or begging for his job was, to me his first step at getting his next job.

And you can't compare this to the corporate world, so I'm going to even try.
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No, I don't. My point is that the organization chose to handle it in an atypical manner, which speaks to their displeasure.

I have had my teams fire coaches after poor seasons many times over my 40 years of watching sports, and they almost always do it during the week following the last game, during business hours, frequently even giving notice as to when they would inform the press/fans of their decision.

Letting him go at the earliest possible opportunity, mere hours after the last game, likely the moment he returned to the City, on a Saturday, late at night, isn't "not letting him twist in the wind", it's sending a message.

(I added the corporate bit just to draw a parallel in the different ways a person can be let go; obviously, sports are a different animal.)



EDIT: I don't mean to make this overly contentious, so my bad if I have. It just seems pretty clear to me that there was more to this than the typical "it was time to move on, we wish him the best". If you don't see it, that's fine.
 
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GordonGecko said:
The main boards thread is hilarious, they genuinely believe AV is an elite coach and it's not his fault. Whoever signs him, ENJOY!
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The main boards are filled with a bunch of Rangers haters that think the Rangers have sucked since 2005. The way they explain the Rangers being one of the most successful franchises not to win a cup in that time frame is usually Lundqvist and now that AV's fired it's AV. Actually when Lundqvist was a Vezina favorite it was Torts' 6 goalie system. For as long as I can remember haters have been trying to explain away how this mediocre team keeps making the playoffs and winning rounds and getting 100 points. It's super easy to say it's AV now, as it's not only a way to trash the roster, it's a way to trash management.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
You honestly don't see any significance to the fact that it happened at the soonest possible moment, on a Saturday night at 11PM? As opposed to waiting until Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon during normal business hours, after allowing 3-4 days for the dust to settle?

Putting it in corporate terms, the former is showing up to your office to find your entry card disabled and security waiting for you in reception, while the latter is having a cordial meeting with a regretful superior who offers you generous severance and allows you until the end of the week to get your affairs in order. At least IMO.
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They're paying him $8M to not coach. So he's getting a pretty sweet severance.

The fact that they did it when they did is applause worthy imo. There had to be more going on behind the scenes that lead to it. Sometimes it's a matter of sending a message... and the fact that they canned him after he said he's the best candidate for the job is a big f*** you.

I'm not sure if that's a Gorts or Slats move... It's more a JD move. It took years for JD to get rid of the cultural problems the Rangers had, and AV let it all back in.
 
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Mikos87 said:
They're paying him $8M to not coach. So he's getting a pretty sweet severance.

The fact that they did it when they did is applause worthy imo. There had to be more going on behind the scenes that lead to it. Sometimes it's a matter of sending a message... and the fact that they canned him after he said he's the best candidate for the job is a big **** you.

I'm not sure if that's a Gorts or Slats move... It's more a JD move. It took years for JD to get rid of the cultural problems the Rangers had, and AV let it all back in.
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I think it's an all of them move. I think the lack of accountability sunk him deeper. He would have been gone no matter what but not owning up to anything they just said "OK cool don't let the door hit ya on the way out."

If AV played this right, they would have "parted ways" instead of being "fired."
 
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GregSirico said:
I think it's an all of them move. I think the lack of accountability sunk him deeper. He would have been gone no matter what but not owning up to anything they just said "OK cool don't let the door hit ya on the way out."

If AV played this right, they would have "parted ways" instead of being "fired."
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Oh I meant that it was a JD move to pull the trigger at the very first moment possible instead of waiting till Monday.

It could be that they didn't want the whole thing of exit interviews causing a coach to be fired being a storyline again as well.
 
Mikos87 said:
Oh I meant that it was a JD move to pull the trigger at the very first moment possible instead of waiting till Monday.

It could be that they didn't want the whole thing of exit interviews causing a coach to be fired being a storyline again as well.
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I think he rubbed them the wrong way. I also believe Gorton has full autonomy and wants "HIS" coach. I have a funny feeling we will not see a retread.
 
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GregSirico said:
I think he rubbed them the wrong way. I also believe Gorton has full autonomy and wants "HIS" coach. I have a funny feeling we will not see a retread.
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I don't think we will see one either but I do wonder if they're going to wait around for someone like Keefe while allowing other teams to scoop up other options.

NYR aren't the only team who are going to be looking for a new coach. I suppose one of those other teams are going to be hiring AV (Dallas, Calgary, whoever) but there are likely to be a ton of openings in a few weeks:

NYR
Dallas
Calgary
St. Louis

And Possibly

NYI
Minnesota
Washington
Carolina
Edmonton
Anaheim
 
Go Away Staal said:
I don't think we will see one either but I do wonder if they're going to wait around for someone like Keefe while allowing other teams to scoop up other options.

NYR aren't the only team who are going to be looking for a new coach. I suppose one of those other teams are going to be hiring AV (Dallas, Calgary, whoever) but there are likely to be a ton of openings in a few weeks:

NYR
Dallas
Calgary
St. Louis

And Possibly

NYI
Minnesota
Washington
Carolina
Edmonton
Anaheim
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Snow and Weight are having a press conference tomorrow together. So Weight is staying.
 
WeBleedBlue is selling an “I survived the AV era” shirt.

I’ll miss AV about as much as I miss Girardi or eventually will miss Staal, but definitely I will miss that portion of the Lundqvist era.
 
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McRanger said:
WeBleedBlue is selling an “I survived the AV era” shirt.

I’ll miss AV about as much as I miss Girardi or eventually will miss Staal, but definitely I will miss that portion of the Lundqvist era.
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I think that t-shirt is so stupid. We survived it? We were extremely successful during it, it wasn't exactly hard to survive. They act like he was f***ing Ron Low or Bryan Trottier...
 
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nevesis said:
I think that t-shirt is so stupid. We survived it? We were extremely successful during it, it wasn't exactly hard to survive. They act like he was ****ing Ron Low or Bryan Trottier...
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The success of this team had very little to do with AV.

I give more credit to the coach before him. And Hank.
 
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http://nypost.com/2018/04/08/rangers-may-have-to-wait-to-interview-intriguing-coach-option/

Brooks is basically saying that Gorton wants Keefe, but the rangers would also be interested in Torts if Columbus fires him. Marty St. Louis was offered the coaching job for The Wolfpack when he retired but he declined it at the time. If he wants an assistant job now he's considered a lock.

I'm very comfortable with Keefe .I don't read up on these guys very much but this guy has an outrageously good developmental track record and he has nowhere to go in Toronto with Babcock behind the bench .
 
I wouldn't mind Torts coming back. I loved Torts, and I know that ownership did as well.

It's doubtful that CLB let's him go.
 
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