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DKH said:
interesting, I too am looking at a Stanley Cup team. But I'm not expecting this team on June 19th 2015 to be playing June 15th 2016.

I want to see what Joe Morrow is. Maybe you were one of the many who wanted to deal Brad Marchand before he ever got a chance for Chris Drury who would go on to score 1 more NHL goal. I'm about giving our prospects chances and seeing what they have.

Am I sold on Morrow? no- but I wasn't sold on Marchand and I probably saw him play 15-20 times in Providence live counting playoff games in 2009-2010.

I like our top 9 a lot

I am cautiously optimistic Seidenberg with his super team friendly $4 M hit comes back and plays well.

I believe in patience and going by track records with these guys that other than Chara I don't consider old
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No, I want to see Morrow and I want to see what Koko can do and that was in my earlier post, the quoted one, but I'm not putting the pressure/demand on them to be the difference, I want to create an enviroment where they can succeed and find their game and hopefully push older guys out of the lineup(trade them at the deadline) without hurting the depth, instead they replace those vets and getting improvements at the same time via vets trades.
1 move now and 1 move at the deadline, strong returns + millions in cap space to do bigger ufa signing to make us a top4 team+ our hopefully own succeeded youngsters replacing vets in the lineup.

If we want to make bigger roster moves then this is the offseason to do it, what if things don't go as well next year and we have all the same players with trade protections and maxed on cap, very tough to do improvements then.

(Eriksson)-Spooner-Pasta
Koko-Kemppainen-Randell

Morrow-McQ

are the bottom6+ 3rd pairing I want to see next year, give them a chance to force Sweeney into making changes, but don't throw them into key spots and demand crazy things, that will end badly.
Let Iginla go and replace him with ahl guy, but this year trade eriksson for bad value and replace him with another ahl guy, that must be avoided.
 
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Readng the stuff between DKH and BB88 has been entertaining and all with great respect which I find refreshing and enjoyable even if my opinion can be different with both of them.
Great job to both and I totally dig where both posters coming from with their views and thoughts about the present and future of our beloved Bruins.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Round 8...more fun to come between both posters I am pretty certain..:handclap:
 
To me the only thing that absolutely must happen is Kelly must go. Even if it takes a buy out he must not be on this roster in October, everything else can work. And that's not to knock the guy , I truly feel there are teams that can use him even at that cap hit, but it's not the Boston Bruins.
 
Salem13 said:
July 1st is Bruins Country Dougie Hamilton Day.

If he is not on contract, he's an RFA.

Queue evil hand wringing of Chia and an offer sheet of 7.1 :popcorn:
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Lets say that happens. Is Hamilton really going to leave what he's familiar with in Boston to go to the frozen tundra that is Edmonton for lousy (lol )1M? I 'd be surprised. Don' t see him signing an offer sheet like that. If Dougie is going to sign an offer sheet I suspect the numbers would have to be significantly higher than that.
 
Thank you DKH for talking some sense

The BRuins finished with the 8th best goals against average in the NHL last year and if they had given up 5 less goals they would have finished the season with the 3rd best GAA In the NHL

And they did all this without a #2 Dman in Boychuk a hurt Chara and a rusty SEidenberg coming off an ACL and no backup goalie

This teams D core doesn't suck like some people make it out they were a top 10 defensive team last year
 
13Hockey said:
Thank you DKH for talking some sense

The BRuins finished with the 8th best goals against average in the NHL last year and if they had given up 5 less goals they would have finished the season with the 3rd best GAA In the NHL

And they did all this without a #2 Dman in Boychuk a hurt Chara and a rusty SEidenberg coming off an ACL and no backup goalie

This teams D core doesn't suck like some people make it out they were a top 10 defensive team last year
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i assume, because you're an objective and fair person, that you also tested in the other direction?

ie. had the bruins given up x more goals, they would have dropped to yth place.

i mean at least a comparable example. say x = 5. it might strengthen your point. course it might not.

the Bruins defense last year was brutal. really, really bad. stats that say otherwise are bad or poorly interpreted stats. chara is getting worse fast. seidenberg is essentially done. a d-corp full of young, wiry defensemen simply will not succeed under Claude Julien.

they're in real trouble. they're just not strong enough on the backend. i think this is essentially a bridge year and then the new coach and system will be introduced. hope claude gets the b's coaching wins record in the meantime. will wish him well as he heads off to Carolina to revitalize that franchise.
 
If the Bruins don't bring back
Campbell
Paille
Bart
Soderberg

And replace them from day 1 with
Spooner
Pastrnak
Joonas Kemppainen
Joe Morrow/Chudinov
They got
Faster
Younger
Cheaper
(More) skilled
Turned over 20% of lineup

That is pretty significant in my view
 
DKH said:
If the Bruins don't bring back
Campbell
Paille
Bart
Soderberg

And replace them from day 1 with
Spooner
Pastrnak
Joonas Kemppainen
Joe Morrow/Chernidov

They got
Faster
Younger
Cheaper
(More) skilled
Turned over 20% of lineup

That is pretty significant in my view
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Good point, and at 20% turnover of personnel, I think that`s enough at one time. While I think the change I suspect is coming will be good, I think it needs to be a methodical change, we`ve seen what happens when a lineup is altered too much

It is going to be interesting and has the possibility of being a really fun year or a year where we as fans will have to be exceptionally patient (yeah, good luck with that:)) because while I`m excited to possibly watch a younger/faster/skilled lineup, I also need to temper my expectations for with that youth, comes mistakes, let`s hope not too many but there will be some
 
ODAAT said:
Good point, and at 20% turnover of personnel, I think that`s enough at one time. While I think the change I suspect is coming will be good, I think it needs to be a methodical change, we`ve seen what happens when a lineup is altered too much

It is going to be interesting and has the possibility of being a really fun year or a year where we as fans will have to be exceptionally patient (yeah, good luck with that:)) because while I`m excited to possibly watch a younger/faster/skilled lineup, I also need to temper my expectations for with that youth, comes mistakes, let`s hope not too many but there will be some
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I don't know how good Chudinov is but if Kirk & Dom like him that's good enough for me. The problem is he's in the KHL. The fact that he went after Giroux endears him to me.

I would still like to see Joe Morrow play - I would pair him with 54 if he comes back
 
13Hockey said:
Thank you DKH for talking some sense

The BRuins finished with the 8th best goals against average in the NHL last year and if they had given up 5 less goals they would have finished the season with the 3rd best GAA In the NHL

And they did all this without a #2 Dman in Boychuk a hurt Chara and a rusty SEidenberg coming off an ACL and no backup goalie

This teams D core doesn't suck like some people make it out they were a top 10 defensive team last year
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They could keep the puck out of the net (forwards played much lower,more consistently) but sucked at clearing the zone and transitioning,one factor in the 23rd offense.
 
OutspokenMinority said:
i assume, because you're an objective and fair person, that you also tested in the other direction?

ie. had the bruins given up x more goals, they would have dropped to yth place.

i mean at least a comparable example. say x = 5. it might strengthen your point. course it might not.

the Bruins defense last year was brutal. really, really bad. stats that say otherwise are bad or poorly interpreted stats. chara is getting worse fast. seidenberg is essentially done. a d-corp full of young, wiry defensemen simply will not succeed under Claude Julien.

they're in real trouble. they're just not strong enough on the backend. i think this is essentially a bridge year and then the new coach and system will be introduced. hope claude gets the b's coaching wins record in the meantime. will wish him well as he heads off to Carolina to revitalize that franchise.
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5 more goals against would have tied the B's for 12th.
Just for giggles, because i don't even know what anyone's point in all this is...

B's had 209 goals for, good for a tie for 22nd in the league. 5 more moves them up to t20 (with Montreal), 5 less and they end up 25th.
 
In my dream world McQuaid loves Boston and signs 1 year at a time 'cheap' until the salary cap increases.

A defensive #6 defenseman would never do that, especially one who could become irrelevant after one bad fight or hit.
 
PatriceBergeronFan said:
In my dream world McQuaid loves Boston and signs 1 year at a time 'cheap' until the salary cap increases.

A defensive #6 defenseman would never do that, especially one who could become irrelevant after one bad fight or hit.
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or one who`s ability to stay healthy is a question mark

Said it in another post and I`ll say it again, I can`t be convinced that a loss of Quaider has anywhere near the drastic affect on this team as many others do

Love his bite/nastiness, appreciate all he has done for the team, but I`ve never been as in love with him as others and for a game that is quicker every year, I see him being a guy who gets left behind soon. Z is slow, but that big body and reach allow him to make plays most others can`t
 
ODAAT said:
or one who`s ability to stay healthy is a question mark

Said it in another post and I`ll say it again, I can`t be convinced that a loss of Quaider has anywhere near the drastic affect on this team as many others do

Love his bite/nastiness, appreciate all he has done for the team, but I`ve never been as in love with him as others and for a game that is quicker every year, I see him being a guy who gets left behind soon. Z is slow, but that big body and reach allow him to make plays most others can`t
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If the Bruins still had Boychuck I would agree wholeheartedly.. I think his absence might be felt next year on a D that looked bad for most of the year.
 
gillesgilbert said:
If the Bruins still had Boychuck I would agree wholeheartedly.. I think his absence might be felt next year on a D that looked bad for most of the year.
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I`ll respectfully disagree, I just don`t see Quaider`s value at nearly what many here do and I`ll wager he`ll be drastically overpaid by someone this summer

Time to move on, will this make the team "softer"?? Depends, who`s coming in and can that player stay healthy? McQuaid hasn`t played more than 63 games in the last 3 seasons with two of those seasons barely cracking the 30 game plateau and up to this past season
 
JOKER 192 said:
To me the only thing that absolutely must happen is Kelly must go. Even if it takes a buy out he must not be on this roster in October, everything else can work. And that's not to knock the guy , I truly feel there are teams that can use him even at that cap hit, but it's not the Boston Bruins.
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I can't watch another Bruins game with Kelly in the lineup
 
I don't think McQuaid is that important to the Bruin's future.
He is not worth much more than what he is being paid right now. An increase and more than a one year contract would not be a smart move.
I still think Bartkowski has some value. A smooth skating defenseman. I would sign Bart for cheap and see if he can still make an impact. If not trade him or put him on waivers.
 
13Hockey said:
Thank you DKH for talking some sense

The BRuins finished with the 8th best goals against average in the NHL last year and if they had given up 5 less goals they would have finished the season with the 3rd best GAA In the NHL

And they did all this without a #2 Dman in Boychuk a hurt Chara and a rusty SEidenberg coming off an ACL and no backup goalie

This teams D core doesn't suck like some people make it out they were a top 10 defensive team last year
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thanks and sometimes I back off from comments like this because its not what most on the board want to hear

but you are correct it was bang on my part; However, I may run for President of Bruins HF if they have an election and I don't want to lose votes so I want to remain somewhat over reactionary...I kid I couldn't get dog catcher here

btw- I'm taking a couple of puzzle pieces tossed me and mixing it with some spitballing and I think Chris Kelly actually could end up in Edmonton

I thought crazy but with a few bits of info that Chiarelli and Sweeney are talking about things? I'm going Kelly is it

WHY IT MAKES SENSE FOR BOSTON

Sweeney is a big youth/development guy and he's watching over Ryan Spooner like a mother bear over her cubs. They also signed Joonis Kemppainen from Finland to play a bottom 6 center spot. Max Talbot can also play center in a pinch. Kelly is cleary behind Spooner for third center, and the younger, cheaper, and recently signed Kemppainen by Sweeney at the arguing of his buddy PJ is for that fourth line spot.

Bruins need cap relief and looping off Kelly's $3 M allows them to have some good money available to sign McQuaid, Hamilton, and reup Spooner and Connolly.

Sweeney has just said they are 'working on' trying to get some cap space and I believe this is it.

WHY IT MAKES SENSE FOR EDMONTON

Kelly has only one year left on a modest contract- and has followed Chiarelli from Ottawa to Boston so there is history here as we all know. On the ice he's experienced and is considered a leader on and off the ice and mentor to young players.

He also would connect Chiarelli to the locker room which is huge. We are not talking snitch here but IF I WAS Chiarelli I want to know the character of the players and who is what. Kelly will spot a phony a mile away.

WHY IT MAKES SENSE TO KELLY

His days in Boston are numbered if not over. He goes to Edmonton he will have a significant role with McDavid coming in.

Kelly could parlay this into a couple of more years of NHL play- being what Eddie Westfall in 1973-75 was to the similar stage of the up and coming NY Islanders.

Also, after he retires it is logical he stays with Edmonton with Chiarelli in some capacity be it a coach, scout, administrator- he's invaluable.

If I'm Boston I obviously do it.
If I'm Chiarelli I want Kelly on board for those multiple reasons.
If I'm Kelly I jump at waiving my no trade and go.

who knows maybe Chiarelli gets out of 'his compensation' by taking Kelly and freeing up the Bruins cap problems

this is something to watch and although there is some speculating by me, not all of it was or is:)
 
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