Player Discussion Adam Fox

[TGWL]

Thanks for the information. I usually believe like the Mark Twain line about statistics. I assume you probably heard of it. With that said while I look at stats with a grain of salt when it comes to these stats I would be interested in how often a guy fails to even reach 16-18 mph. Would that be a reasonable question?

I'm not sure how you measure that when it comes to a fail. You have to think that after making a pass to clear the zone, he's not flying up the rink, or when on the PK/PP, they're more positional and less hustling down the rink or up the wing, so all those stops/starts and cruising can't be classified as fails. I'm not sure what would count as a fail other than a race to a lose puck against a forechecker.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm not sure how you measure that when it comes to a fail. You have to think that after making a pass to clear the zone, he's not flying up the rink, or when on the PK/PP, they're more positional and less hustling down the rink or up the wing, so all those stops/starts and cruising can't be classified as fails. I'm not sure what would count as a fail other than a race to a lose puck against a forechecker.

I do not follow those stats so I'm definitely not an expert but I would be curious are there very many 1st pairing dman that have less high MPH bursts than Fox in a somewhat equal amount of games/minutes? How does he compare to Bouchard? Hedman? McAvoy?

 

[TheDirtyH]

I do not follow those stats so I'm definitely not an expert but I would be curious are there very many 1st pairing dman that have less high MPH bursts than Fox in a somewhat equal amount of games/minutes? How does he compare to Bouchard? Hedman? McAvoy?

You can look at all of this here: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Home

There a player comparison tool and everything.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You can look at all of this here: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Home

There a player comparison tool and everything.

Thank you.

Wow I do not know if the data on that site is accurate but it is interesting to look at the skating and shooting speeds.

 

[wolfgaze]

the people who don't recognize Fox's defense as a strength

Is today unofficially Opposite Day?

 

[bleedblue94]

Cue all the blame someone other than fox nonsense. Fox absolutely went to the wrong player. Just brutal.

 

[Rangerboy030]

This forum is utterly insufferable sometimes with its incessant need to shit on our absolute best players for not being absolutely perfect 100 percent of the time. Saw it with prime Hank, saw it with prime Kreider, now seeing it with Fox.

Adam Fox is an elite player in all three zones and has been basically since day 1, and the idea of trading him is utter insanity. There is no debate on these points, they are facts.

 

[effen]

edit: Here's hoping he got whatever it was out of his system and comes back refocused for the playoff push

 

[RangersFan1994]

Imagine if Fox actually cared about his game to actually improve his skating. It's a shame he never cared otherwise he'd work at to improve it. Maybe he'd be a much better player. He has no one to blame but himself. I'd trade him for B.Tkachuk right now.

This forum is utterly insufferable sometimes with its incessant need to shit on our absolute best players for not being absolutely perfect 100 percent of the time. Saw it with prime Hank, saw it with prime Kreider, now seeing it with Fox.

Adam Fox is an elite player in all three zones and has been basically since day 1, and the idea of trading him is utter insanity. There is no debate on these points, they are facts.

Maybe if he cared to improve his skating, fans would feel different. He never cared to do so. why should the fans care about him since he never cared to improve his game. He's been worse since his Norris season

 

[Rangerboy030]

Maybe if he cared to improve his skating, fans would feel different. He never cared to do so. why should the fans care about him since he never cared to improve his game. He's been worse since his Norris season

No, the team has been worse since his Norris season. That's why everyone is uppity, and why they're looking for scapegoats. And in usual fashion, rather than identifying the actual problems, like how we only have 1 defenceman (guess who?) that can consistently make a breakout pass worth a shit, some people lock in on big names and superficial critiques.

Fox was slow when he won the Norris too. He's no speedster and he never will be. He is nevertheless elite. Deal with it.

 

[effen]

No, the team has been worse since his Norris season. That's why everyone is uppity, and why they're looking for scapegoats. And in usual fashion, rather than identifying the actual problems, like how we only have 1 defenceman (guess who?) that can consistently make a breakout pass worth a shit, some people lock in on big names and superficial critiques.

Fox was slow when he won the Norris too. He's no speedster and he never will be. He is nevertheless elite. Deal with it.

The team missed the playoffs his Norris season, following it up with 2 ECFs in 3 years. That's not them getting worse.

Not sure what the deal with it comment is about but the whole forum seems really aggressive and kinda mean of late without hockey. Not cool.

 

[wolfgaze]

There is no debate on these points, they are facts.

Declaring your opinions to be 'facts' and undebatable while accusing others of being 'insufferable' is an excellent example of 'the pot calling the kettle black'.

You believe Fox is an 'elite' player in the defensive zone and has been so since his rookie season - yet no one can debate this take? Okay bud.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I think the piling on Fox this year is way way over the top, but leaving the slot wide open is signature Rangers hockey right now.

 

[Mike in Houston]

This forum is utterly insufferable sometimes with its incessant need to shit on our absolute best players for not being absolutely perfect 100 percent of the time. Saw it with prime Hank, saw it with prime Kreider, now seeing it with Fox.

Adam Fox is an elite player in all three zones and has been basically since day 1, and the idea of trading him is utter insanity. There is no debate on these points, they are facts.

Like I always say, "Nobody hates the Rangers more than Ranger fans".

 

[leetch99]

He will be a solid for 7 more seasons with the new blades he has on order . No more pushing him around or skating by him ....taller-faster ....slap some stovepipe around the ankles to protect against broken ankles.....we'll be in business !!!
https://abcnews.go.com/images/Entertainment/ht_ice_skates_high_heels_dm_111223_wblog.jpg

 

[mas0764]

Feel like they might need to shut this guy down.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Feel like they might need to shut this guy down.

The would never, Drury and Lav are desperate to stay employed

 

[leetch99]

It would be great if he could pick up a couple of points today or a PPG along with a win . Go Rangers !

 

[McRanger92]

Feel like they might need to shut this guy down.

Shut who down?

 

[NYRFAN218]

I think there's a healthy medium with some takes where we can acknowledge that Fox is probably having the worst season of his career (which is still better than a lot of people's best!) and there's legitimate concerns such as his skating while also acknowledging he's still playing at a high level which is backed up by stats. I'm hoping another summer removed from those knee injuries gets his skating back to where it was before because that's the biggest problem I've seen this year. He just doesn't have that extra step which would help him beat a lot of players at the blue line as well as along the boards. He wasn't the best skater before the injuries and he looks a lot worse since.

 

[duhmetreE]

Adam Fox is basically the same skater for the last 3 seasons. He has good inside edge work but always been looking like his feet are in mud. I'll leave this here for fans to look and try to determine which photo goes to which year. He's been the exact same skater that most fans are now picking on because everything is going wrong and he can't carry a team giving 0 effort. He's not the top defensemen in the league. I think we all see flaws to his game on the backend, especially when hustling or being pinned in the zone. But he's still a very high regarded dman.

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Hint: These screenshots are in order and the middle is slightly lower because he played 10 less games last season...

That edge work isn’t at the level we’re used to this season imo

 

[Mike in Houston]

It's all Lindgren's fault, Larry. C'mon now!

 

[mas0764]

Shut who down?

Fox.

 

[LokiDog]

People’s issues with Fox aren’t really about whether or not he is/isn’t a top 3, 5, 10, whatever D in the league at this point. I think it’s arguable that he has easily fallen into the 7-15 range. We don’t need to get into that.

It’s the same as the CORE issue with every main NYR player. Once you get PAID by this franchise, your effort, commitment and performance go to crap.

Fox will never win another Norris. I will bet any of you anything that you want. But he COULD HAVE if, rather than becoming the quintessential NYR player after getting his pay day, he had been committed to continuing to improve, continuing to be the best, wanting to win and wanting to dominate. There was plenty of things that he could have kept working hard to improve, if he was hungry and never satisfied, and he was young enough that he could have not only improved, but made leaps and bounds of progress over the years. Instead, he did what every high paid Rangers player does… he plateaued. Plateauing at Norris level is fine. That was several years ago and he is no longer plateaued, he is regressing. He isn’t old. He shouldn’t be regressing yet, but his commitment level - as with EVERY core member of this team - was not good enough and this is the consequences of providing the most “world class” amenities in the league to your players when you don’t have a winning culture in place. Everyone wants to sign here yet we aren’t an illustrious, winning team. We are just a team that pampers our stars.

Fox isn’t alone. Igor is doing the exact same thing, at a far worse level, far faster, right in front of our eyes. Laf is doing it worse than Fox as well. Trouba got paid and never lived up to it. So did Redden. Richards was crap here. Drury and Gomez sucked. Mika sucks. When you get your big pay day in NY, you get inducted into the NYR big boy club. And life gets sweet. And winning matters less. And you get soft. And you get complacent. And you suck. Anyone we sign will suck. Anyone we give big money to will suck. Fox is just following along with tradition and his peers.

 

[NickyFotiu]

People’s issues with Fox aren’t really about whether or not he is/isn’t a top 3, 5, 10, whatever D in the league at this point. I think it’s arguable that he has easily fallen into the 7-15 range. We don’t need to get into that.

It’s the same as the CORE issue with every main NYR player. Once you get PAID by this franchise, your effort, commitment and performance go to crap.

Fox will never win another Norris. I will bet any of you anything that you want. But he COULD HAVE if, rather than becoming the quintessential NYR player after getting his pay day, he had been committed to continuing to improve, continuing to be the best, wanting to win and wanting to dominate. There was plenty of things that he could have kept working hard to improve, if he was hungry and never satisfied, and he was young enough that he could have not only improved, but made leaps and bounds of progress over the years. Instead, he did what every high paid Rangers player does… he plateaued. Plateauing at Norris level is fine. That was several years ago and he is no longer plateaued, he is regressing. He isn’t old. He shouldn’t be regressing yet, but his commitment level - as with EVERY core member of this team - was not good enough and this is the consequences of providing the most “world class” amenities in the league to your players when you don’t have a winning culture in place. Everyone wants to sign here yet we aren’t an illustrious, winning team. We are just a team that pampers our stars.

Fox isn’t alone. Igor is doing the exact same thing, at a far worse level, far faster, right in front of our eyes. Laf is doing it worse than Fox as well. Trouba got paid and never lived up to it. So did Redden. Richards was crap here. Drury and Gomez sucked. Mika sucks. When you get your big pay day in NY, you get inducted into the NYR big boy club. And life gets sweet. And winning matters less. And you get soft. And you get complacent. And you suck. Anyone we sign will suck. Anyone we give big money to will suck. Fox is just following along with tradition and his peers.

3 Rangers team weaknesses :

1-Lack Of Speed
2-Lack Of Physicallity
3-Lack Of Motor/Hustle

Way too many current Rangers have 1 of if not all 3 of these weaknesses imo.