Player Discussion Adam Fox

[will1066]

You owe it to yourself and your whole family to watch last weeks episode and this weeks episode. Last weeks episode was like the first 9 seconds of yesterdays game!



If they want a NTC or MNC we should sneak in no marriage or kids clause although it is nice seeing Zibs with his kid and Vince with his kid. Still families are for losing teams lol

Ok stop hammering me over the head lol. I'll watch and report back lol

 

[NickyFotiu]

So for how many years I've heard fox isn't an issue and it's all lindgren? Get fox a good partner and suddenly he won't suck defensively. Well slavin is one of the best defensive d in the league and has been for years. Not even half a game and they put slavin with faber bc faber is better and USA wants to establish their their best 4 d and top two pairs. Game 2 and fox drops to under 14 mins of ice time bc others recognize what some of us do as well. Great offensive talent and vision that can't skate or defend.

Can we stop with the fox excuses already. He can't keep up in games of pace and his skating issues and lack of size stand out more and more. He may not even be on the Olympic team starting 6 d since he's not even establishing himself as the pp specialist. If Hughes was healthy then fox is probably out of the usa lineup in this tournament.

His nmc doesn't kick in until this summer. Nyr would be wise to explore options. Pp specialist are easy to find in 2025 and as fox ages that is what he is going to become. If you could get Wyatt Johnson for fox straight up you do that laughing, you add to fox to make that trade. Would also easily trade fox for Harley but Dallas wouldn't do that just based on the difference of physical tools. I don't think fox has the value league wide that some people here think he does.

I have been trying to discuss Fox for a while but people get so upset that I usually tread softly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves about his pluses, his minuses, and his play this year/last years playoffs. That does not mean he is not an asset but we can't expect him to be a Leetch or Makar. I think we need to find a big, physical, fast crease clearing guy to go with him. I do believe his play has declined this year. I give him some grace because its quite possible he is not 100% over his knee yet. Hopefully next season he bounces back.

Ok stop hammering me over the head lol. I'll watch and report back lol

Well I do not know if it will have the same effect on you because for you it may be like watching a game that you do not know any of the players.

 

[bleedblue94]

It's just funny how everyone keeps trying to pull metrics and fluff about fox and shit on lindgren, and now in this tournament there is no hiding from what many of us can objectively see with fox. I'm sick of Everytime someone brings up fox it's deflected by bringing up lindgren. It's like criticizing a politician and the only response is to blame the other person. I'm bullish that fox she be moved before his nmc kicks in and I'm hoping it happens. Small (and weak) players that can skate and can't defend do not age well in the modern NHL that is built on speed. Fox sticks out like a sore thumb in these games based on how small, slow, and weak on his skates he's been. His IQ and smarts do not standout when among other great players. And constantly on rushes fox was beaten by opponents driving to the net but his partners saved his ass. As has been stated for years, lindgren has done a lot to cover for fox's defensive deficiencies, and this year when lindgren has dropped significantly in his quality of play it was only highlighted fox's issues, but they have been there for years...

 

[will1066]

I have been trying to discuss Fox for a while but people get so upset that I usually tread softly. I think we need to be honest with ourselves about his pluses, his minuses, and his play this year/last years playoffs. That does not mean he is not an asset but we can't expect him to be a Leetch or Makar. I think we need to find a big, physical, fast crease clearing guy to go with him. I do believe his play has declined this year. I give him some grace because its quite possible he is not 100% over his knee yet. Hopefully next season he bounces back.


Well I do not know if it will have the same effect on you because for you it may be like watching a game that you do not know any of the players.

I think I'll be alright lol

 

[Do you want ants]

It's just funny how everyone keeps trying to pull metrics and fluff about fox and shit on lindgren, and now in this tournament there is no hiding from what many of us can objectively see with fox. I'm sick of Everytime someone brings up fox it's deflected by bringing up lindgren. It's like criticizing a politician and the only response is to blame the other person. I'm bullish that fox she be moved before his nmc kicks in and I'm hoping it happens. Small (and weak) players that can skate and can't defend do not age well in the modern NHL that is built on speed. Fox sticks out like a sore thumb in these games based on how small, slow, and weak on his skates he's been. His IQ and smarts do not standout when among other great players. And constantly on rushes fox was beaten by opponents driving to the net but his partners saved his ass. As has been stated for years, lindgren has done a lot to cover for fox's defensive deficiencies, and this year when lindgren has dropped significantly in his quality of play it was only highlighted fox's issues, but they have been there for years...

Everyone pulls those metrics because it’s pretty impressive the gap between partners on the same pair, eating the same match ups. Lindgren sucks and shouldn’t be on the top pair. Not sure how Fox playing on team USA in what amounts to an all-star tournament helps disprove how dogshit Lindgren is. Defending against a line of McDavid, MacK and Crosby is just a tad different than their usual assignments…He also hasn’t been on the ice for a goal against and has spent more time in the offensive zone than the defensive zone so far. He’s been fine, not great or bad, fine.

 

[smoneil]

Fox is a rich man's Derek Stepan. He's as good as he is because of his brain, but the Rangers play him as if he were a physical specimen. They skate him into the ground, when they should be managing his minutes. With the RD the team has, the three pairs should be getting equal minutes at even strength. Fox should obviously be on PP1, but there's no reason to have him out there for the PK as well. He's a great talent who will, in the end, likely be betrayed by his non-elite body. If they want to get as much out of him as they can, they need to manage his minutes.

 

[TheDirtyH]

You guys are aware that Werenski also played under 14mins last night? An entire 3 seconds more than Fox

@bleedblue94 I guess the coaches finally acknowledged what only you have been able to see thus far. Zach Werenski is a horrible skater and defender.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Fox is a rich man's Derek Stepan. He's as good as he is because of his brain, but the Rangers play him as if he were a physical specimen. They skate him into the ground, when they should be managing his minutes. With the RD the team has, the three pairs should be getting equal minutes at even strength. Fox should obviously be on PP1, but there's no reason to have him out there for the PK as well. He's a great talent who will, in the end, likely be betrayed by his non-elite body. If they want to get as much out of him as they can, they need to manage his minutes.

The Stepan analogy is an interesting one. I never thought about those terms previously.

Is it just my imagination or has Fox played less on the PK for us recently?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why is it that Fox's play is getting dissected in an all star tournament where it's difficult to stand out with a lot of great players but him being part of one of the top pairings in the NHL with Miller earlier THIS SEASON has never come into the conversation at all? Somehow two all star talent games means he's a scrub but when he played in the real NHL with not one of the worst defensemen in the league is completely ignored.

Ranger fans can't even rest when the Rangers are playing without trashing their own players.

Everyone pulls those metrics because it’s pretty impressive the gap between partners on the same pair, eating the same match ups. Lindgren sucks and shouldn’t be on the top pair. Not sure how Fox playing on team USA in what amounts to an all-star tournament helps disprove how dogshit Lindgren is. Defending against a line of McDavid, MacK and Crosby is just a tad different than their usual assignments…He also hasn’t been on the ice for a goal against and has spent more time in the offensive zone than the defensive zone so far. He’s been fine, not great or bad, fine.

HFNYR has become a f***ing cesspool of people losing their shit over every player on every opportunity. We suck this year but this is not only a this year thing. You'd think the Rangers were the San Jose Sharks or Chicago Blackhawks. It's just f***ing tiresome at this point.

 

[TheDirtyH]

The Stepan analogy is an interesting one. I never thought about those terms previously.

Is it just my imagination or has Fox played less on the PK for us recently?

It's again your imagination

pre-Borgen: 2:01 shTOI/gp (2nd on defense)
post-Borgen: 2:10 shTOI/gp (2nd on defense)

 

[NickyFotiu]

It's again your imagination

pre-Borgen: 2:01 shTOI/gp (2nd on defense)
post-Borgen: 2:10 shTOI/gp (2nd on defense)

That does not really answer what I was asking. I should have been more specific. Borgen has been here around 25 games. I was only thinking in recent games (the last week or so) I thought I saw Lindy killing the PK with Schneider at times.

 

[TheDirtyH]

That does not really answer what I was asking. I should have been more specific. Borgen has been here around 25 games. I was only thinking in recent games (the last week or so) I thought I saw Lindy killing the PK with Schneider at times.

he led the defense in shorthanded TOI the last game before the break, and two of the last three.

 

[NickyFotiu]

he led the defense in shorthanded TOI the last game before the break, and two of the last three.

I'm not saying he would not lead. I'm saying it appeared to me to be less. As in instead of Fox being out there every second possible I saw Schneider playing more than usual. I think it may have been against Boston in one of our national TV games that I thought I saw it. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Was just my impression.

 

[SA16]

Fox is a rich man's Derek Stepan. He's as good as he is because of his brain, but the Rangers play him as if he were a physical specimen. They skate him into the ground, when they should be managing his minutes. With the RD the team has, the three pairs should be getting equal minutes at even strength. Fox should obviously be on PP1, but there's no reason to have him out there for the PK as well. He's a great talent who will, in the end, likely be betrayed by his non-elite body. If they want to get as much out of him as they can, they need to manage his minutes.

Just wondering how the Rangers "skate him into the ground" when Fox gets very low usage for a 1D? He's 27th in TOI/GP among dmen since last year when Lavy took over.

The answer is simple. They don't. People just like to make up things to fill their narrative.

I'm not saying he would not lead. I'm saying it appeared to me to be less. As in instead of Fox being out there every second possible I saw Schneider playing more than usual. I think it may have been against Boston in one of our national TV games that I thought I saw it. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Was just my impression.

I believe what he is saying is that you are objectively wrong. I have not verified his numbers and do not care to do so though.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Is it just my imagination or has Fox played less on the PK for us recently?

I'm not saying he would not lead. I'm saying it appeared to me to be less. As in instead of Fox being out there every second possible I saw Schneider playing more than usual. I think it may have been against Boston in one of our national TV games that I thought I saw it. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Was just my impression.

Right, in answer to your question: Yes, Fox has played less on the PK for us recently, and by that I obviously mean, Fox has not played less on the PK than at other times in the season, has not played less in the last two weeks before the break specifically, and also, that in the last game the Rangers played against Boston, Braden Schnieder played more PK minutes than anyone on the team.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Right, in answer to your question: Yes, Fox has played less on the PK for us recently, and by that I obviously mean, Fox has not played less on the PK than at other times in the season, has not played less in the last two weeks before the break specifically, and also, that in the last game the Rangers played against Boston, Braden Schnieder played more PK minutes than anyone on the team.

Do you know of any reason Schneider was playing more? Was it just a freak outlier or how the rotation fell?

 

[TheDirtyH]

Do you know of any reason Schneider was playing more? Was it just a freak outlier or how the rotation fell?

He got trapped in his own end for over a minute on one penalty in the 3rd.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I believe what he is saying is that you are objectively wrong. I have not verified his numbers and do not care to do so though.

That is okay. I have been wrong a lot in my life. I learn from being wrong

He got trapped in his own end for over a minute on one penalty in the 3rd.

That could be a part of that for sure. I just remembered seeing him playing with Lindy and wondering why. Like maybe Fox was having a skate issue or something.

 

[SA16]

That is okay. I have been wrong a lot in my life. I learn from being wrong


That could be a part of that for sure. I just remembered seeing him playing with Lindy and wondering why. Like maybe Fox was having a skate issue or something.

The reason Schneider occasionally gets more PK time than Fox is the same reason that sometimes you flip a coin and it comes up heads five times in a row. It is randomness.

 

[Machinehead]

There are valid criticisms of Fox.

He is certainly slow. I think he was always slow and people just decided to notice when the results slipped just enough to start the hate porn.

His shooting could certainly be better for a #1D, although I think the whole powerplay has been off this year.

If you think Fox can't defend, especially off the rush, I'm not taking you seriously. Nobody is except meme posters and Devils fans. "Oh Machinehead, you're condescending again." Yes I am. Posting on this forum and having no f***ing idea what you're looking at when you watch a hockey game warrants it.

I don't know how one arrives at that or gets better at assessing this game, but that's not my problem.

I think he's having a down year independent of Lindgren and I've said that all year. Guys have down years. A lot of people are gonna look stupid when it ends up just being one year where he was a little off. Then again, a lot of people look stupid now.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The reason Schneider occasionally gets more PK time than Fox is the same reason that sometimes you flip a coin and it comes up heads five times in a row. It is randomness.

I assume that plays a role. Was noteworthy to me because usually I would see Lindy-Fox but this game I had seen Lindy-Schneider.

 

[SA16]

I assume that plays a role. Was noteworthy to me because usually I would see Lindy-Fox but this game I had seen Lindy-Schneider.

Well the PK pairs have been Miller/Fox and Lindgren/Schneider for the past month so that is not particularly uncommon.

 

[Machinehead]

"Everybody comes up with these high-falutin fancy analytics to defend Fox!"

They're called goals.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Well the PK pairs have been Miller/Fox and Lindgren/Schneider for the past month so that is not particularly uncommon.

Thank you.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Fox had 5 goals and 23 points in 20 games during the Rangers first ECF run of this era. Then the Rangers lost to NJ in round 1 and he had 8 assists in 7 games. Last year, he got kneed by Jensen and was playing on one leg, so his effectiveness wore off.

The narrative that he’s not a playoff player is a bit unfair