Player Discussion Adam Fox

[Hunter Gathers]

But giving up a 2nd?????

I mean, obviously Gorts should be executed at center ice for that.

 

[nyr2k2]

PB (the poster) wanted him to play fewer games last year so we gave up a lower pick.

I wish that guy still posted on the NYR board so we could dunk on him and clown him all day.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I mean, obviously Gorts should be executed at center ice for that.

The outrage about that trade was on parallel with the initial outrage about the Stepan pick.

 

[will1066]

Gorton saw what he wanted and moved aggressively.

The kid has to be squarely in the conversation for the Norris right now. Hedman will win it, but getting hard to pretend that Fox does not exist.

This is a paradox.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The outrage about that trade was on parallel with the initial outrage about the Stepan pick.

That's actually a good comparison.

I wished at the time that we kept the picks but I have to admit that second round picks are meaningless compared to a world-class, elite, top pairing defenseman who WANTS to be here.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I wish that guy still posted on the NYR board so we could dunk on him and clown him all day.

There used to be a time when you were moderator and were infracting people for doing that.

 

[NYRangers0723]

What a steal of an acquisition he was. Granted it helped that he wanted to be in NY but still

 

[True Blue]

I don't think anyone would have thought that.

NO ONE thought that. Or even close. If they had, he would not have been drafted where he was or traded for 2nd round picks. His game has grown since he has come to the Rangers and grown again since his rookie year. By quite a lot.

 

[True Blue]

This is a paradox.

Attributable to Achilles or Galileo?

 

[will1066]

Attributable to Achilles or Galileo?

This is beyond the scope of this discussion (read: I'm too dumb to know which).

 

[True Blue]

This is beyond the scope of this discussion (read: I'm too dumb to know which).

Clearly the guy that wrote that cannot write.

 

[Peltz]

NO ONE thought that. Or even close. If they had, he would not have been drafted where he was or traded for 2nd round picks. His game has grown since he has come to the Rangers and grown again since his rookie year. By quite a lot.

It's even grown over the course of this season. Fox is still improving every month.

 

[leetch99]

I remember some folks being upset at what we gave up to acquire him. You can absolutely see why the Rangers didn't want to take any chances. Although, I don't know if even they thought he'd be this good (ever, forget about in his second year).

Nope....not a chance they expected him to be this good ....LOL...but if they did...we can look forward to Laf/Miller/KK blooming at some point .

 

[Irishguy42]

Most of life is spent getting closer to the heat death of the universe, and straying further from God's light.

Adam Fox makes the time spent a little more enjoyable than just 'pain'

 

[MysticLeviathan]

It's not about whether or not he's worth two 2nds, it's that he was going to sign here the next year anyway. And during a rebuild, we need those picks. If staying back the extra year would've hurt his development, of course you burn those picks. But it's not an unreasonable position to take to say that we wasted 2 round picks. He was going to sign with us the following year. And we weren't going to be a good team the year he signed. So it becomes whether or not having him come a year early hurt his development and/or the butterfly effect where perhaps we don't pick Laf et al. It's an entirely fair argument to say we wasted 2 round picks.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's not about whether or not he's worth two 2nds, it's that he was going to sign here the next year anyway. And during a rebuild, we need those picks. If staying back the extra year would've hurt his development, of course you burn those picks. But it's not an unreasonable position to take to say that we wasted 2 round picks. He was going to sign with us the following year. And we weren't going to be a good team the year he signed. So it becomes whether or not having him come a year early hurt his development and/or the butterfly effect where perhaps we don't pick Laf et al. It's an entirely fair argument to say we wasted 2 round picks.

Knowing what you know now this is an insane take. Even if there's a 5% chance he signed elsewhere it was 100% worth the picks to get the certainty he'll play here. 99.9% of players don't play for their favorite team. It's really not the crazy that he would have signed with someone else.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Knowing what you know now this is an insane take. Even if there's a 5% chance he signed elsewhere it was 100% worth the picks to get the certainty he'll play here. 99.9% of players don't play for their favorite team. It's really not the crazy that he would have signed with someone else.

but there wasn’t a 5% chance he’d sign elsewhere. there was a 0% chance he signed elsewhere. with that in mind, you absolutely have to take that into account

 

[GAGLine]

but there wasn’t a 5% chance he’d sign elsewhere. there was a 0% chance he signed elsewhere. with that in mind, you absolutely have to take that into account

I don't think quibbling over a couple of picks sends the best message to the player you want to sign. It also doesn't help the relationship between GMs/teams. If we don't make that Fox deal, we probably don't make the Skjei deal either.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

but there wasn’t a 5% chance he’d sign elsewhere. there was a 0% chance he signed elsewhere. with that in mind, you absolutely have to take that into account

How do you know this?

 

[Off Sides]

Over 8m if they go 7 or 8 years and it would likely save the Rangers cap space in years 3 through the end of that contract.

 

[aufheben]

There used to be a time when you were moderator and were infracting people for doing that.

This site corrupts even the best of us.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

How do you know this?

because he wouldn’t sign with anyone else. we know he’s a ranger fan. he was waiting to become a FA so he could sign with us.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This site corrupts even the best of us.

You don't know how happy I am that someone can tell me to shut the f*** up without fear of retribution after I go on one of my rants.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

because he wouldn’t sign with anyone else. we know he’s a ranger fan. he was waiting to become a FA so he could sign with us.

But almost no one plays for their childhood team. So I don't buy that it's a guarantee. The pool of teams to sign with would open significantly.

 

[aufheben]

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