Grubauer + Mojo is a pretty steep price to protect Schmidt, that's why the 4-4-1 scenario made much more sense. If you count Mojo as a 2nd + 3rd, and Grubauer as a 2nd, that's 2 2nds and a 3rd. I have a feeling they would have been asking Vegas to take someone less valuable than Grubauer in that situation, considering Vegas was likely reluctant to part with any picks.
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Thank god GMGM saved us then. That would have been a brutal deal.
Either way. Even if the choice was to pick either Schmidt or Johansson, then our GM is not the idiot here. GMGM is for picking Schmidt over MoJo.
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honestly why hasnt Orpik been moved yet?
there are teams at the cap floor we could easily shoot a pick or 2 +orpik. teams up at the cap make moves like this all the time. If management has the position that the window isnt closed yet then they should be moving Orpik right now. The window is either open and you try to get better quickly or its closed and these contracts should not have been recently handed out.
there are teams at the cap floor we could easily shoot a pick or 2 +orpik. teams up at the cap make moves like this all the time. If management has the position that the window isnt closed yet then they should be moving Orpik right now. The window is either open and you try to get better quickly or its closed and these contracts should not have been recently handed out.
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Good point. Mojo is a known relatively expensive commodity at this point. Wilson appears to have upside still. We might have just seen Mojo's career year, who knows?
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Trade Mojo for the same return they got from NJ or possibly better if shopped before the expansion draft. Or buy out Orpik.
Buying out Orpik is not a good option, and most see that save you and a few other posters. This has been discussed ad nauseum.
How many trades were made before the expansion draft?
I forgot the Caps just like to copy what other teams are doing, sorry. If they wanted to trade Mojo they could have traded Mojo, the expansion draft is a BS excuse.
The Caps went into the expansion draft like unprepared idiots and lost both Schmidt and Mojo, when we only needed to lose one. It blows my mind some people deny this. BMGM ****ed up big time, and it's not his first **** up.
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Keeping him is a worse option.
He's 10 million against the cap next two seasons.... that's a lot of change for a guy who does nothing and is more of a liability than asset at this point.
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Several others outside of this message board suggested buying out Orpik, including the local blogs and even national mainstream personalities. I'm hardly the only one to consider it a good option. A $1.5M cap hit for two seasons sucks, but nowhere near as much as losing both Johansson and Schmidt for close to nothing.
Bottom line is GMBM (implicitly or explicitly) chose Orpik over Schmidt by refusing to buy out Orpik. After stating time and again that they need to become younger and quicker, he chose to keep their slowest and oldest player instead of their fastest and one of their younger players (and perhaps their most dynamic defensive presence in the playoffs, compared to yet another playoff stinker from Orpik).
But hey, gotta have that veteran leadership that has led to exactly zero good results. It reeks of GMBM not having the guts to say to Leonsis "hey that Orpik contract was a mistake, we need to buy him out" but instead doubling down on him.
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So we know that McPhee valued Schmidt over Johansson (albeit, we don't know the exact terms of the leaked offer, so there's some room for error there). What we don't know is how much McPhee valued Schmidt over other assets the Capitals had available. Namely, McPhee wasn't really making protection trades for roster players. He was being bribed with picks and prospects. It didn't cost a whole lot for the Wild to get him to pass on Dumba, given that the thread of the Wild trading Dumba (or Brodin to protect Dumba) was there. I wonder how much the Capitals offered in terms of future picks/prospects to protect Schmidt. Did the thought of threatening to protect Schmidt even cross their mind? How much did they negotiate PRIOR to the protection lists being submitted, versus afterwards when they learned that McPhee was targeting Schmidt?
There were trades with teams other than Vegas. The Devils paid a 2nd and a 4th for Mirco Mueller from the Sharks. The Flyers traded Nick Cousins to Arizona. Heck, the Wild traded Groavac to the Caps.
There were trades with teams other than Vegas. The Devils paid a 2nd and a 4th for Mirco Mueller from the Sharks. The Flyers traded Nick Cousins to Arizona. Heck, the Wild traded Groavac to the Caps.
It's not steep when you consider what Schmidt brings both now to this as a semi contending team and in the future as a rebuilding team. They've pretty much slammed the door on contending shut by losing Schmidt barring some absolutely miraculous out of the blue deal for a similar player.
It also doesn't make sense to assign pick value to Grubauer in an expansion draft scenario where he's left unprotected. And it's obvious he doesn't have much value around the league beyond that right now.
LOL. the salary cap wouldnt have allowed the team to hold onto one of them, without waiving goodbye to Oshie (or someone else), or doing something stupid like having dead cap space (buy buying out Orpik).
Until we all see what Schmidt signs for, to "Woe is me we screwed ourselves by losing MaJo and Schmidt for NOTHING" excuse is crap.
We have zero cap space, Schmidt may sign for 3m a year. We probably couldnt have kept him no matter what!
NO.
Orpik's replacment would cost 2.5 to 3m. Orpik's dead cap space via buy out would cost 2.5m. Orpik costs 5.5m. So you'd get a similar player to fill his role, and *maybe* 1 to 1.5m in extra cap space for the year. Maybe.
And be stuck with 2.5m in dead space next year, and 1.5m in dead space for the 2 years after that (so the next 4 years of Ovechkin....we carry dead cap space....smart!)
Look, we can still trade Orpik this year, or next summer. And NOT deal with the dead cap space for the next half decade. Its smart to not buy him out. It's amazingly short sighted to buy him out.
Thats your slant.
I think its GMBM saying "We have one year left w Barry, lets give him who he wants and see what happens. If it fails, we have our core tied up, I can much more easily get rid of one year of Orpik than 2, and i can use his monies to resign Carlson and go from there, with our core locked up and a new coach (Rierdon) given a chance to see what we can do"
Buying out Orpik now means they should have fired Trotz now. They didnt. Get over it.
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The fact still remains that Ovie on the left half boards on the PP is the highest scoring % play in hockey, especially when he puts his full man boobs into the shot.
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It always sounded like any trade talks with Vegas were of the 11th hour variety and likely not initiated by MacLellan but by McPhee in giving Washington one last chance to not have a particular player taken (as Vegas did with all teams). This info still doesn't get to the question of how the Caps afford 88 even if they managed to keep him over 90 and after the fact I'm not sure how MacLellan can remain confident in their 7-3-1 strategy. Then again, I don't doubt they actually do value Eller and Wilson over Johansson.
It seems like the only planning done was under the assumption there would be a $77M cap. When that didn't happen they just went ahead with their moves anyway and whatever else had to happen was largely a write-off. It's just a continuation of past reckless, unsustainable, impulsive decisions. Youth and further development from 65/43/20/10 will be their bail-out. Or not. Either way there are cracks showing in how they operate that raise a lot of questions, be it ownership interference to objectivity in evaluating personnel and past decisions. Being in a lot of situations where decisions are made for them and perceived as the only path doesn't speak well for their agility as an organization.
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