Speculation: Acq./Rost. Bldg./Cap/Lines etc. Part LXXXI -- Will we even care by July 1?

[hockeykicker]

 

[artilector]

Not particularly appealing. You save 3M, but you'll still need a D man to replace Orpik. Can you find a UFA D for 3M that's going to be much better than Orpik? And then you worsen the cap situation for two more years.

Even if we're considering that route, I think a much better option would be to try to find a taker for 50% retained. You'll save pretty much the same money, and you won't be on the hook for extra buyout years. And Orpik at 50% should be a positive asset, IMO.

 

[third man in]

Not particularly appealing. You save 3M, but you'll still need a D man to replace Orpik. Can you find a UFA D for 3M that's going to be much better than Orpik? And then you worsen the cap situation for two more years.

Even if we're considering that route, I think a much better option would be to try to find a taker for 50% retained. You'll save pretty much the same money, and you won't be on the hook for extra buyout years. And Orpik at 50% should be a positive asset, IMO.

A buyout should be last resort. If Orpik was a UFA, I could see him being signed for 2 years @ 3.5- 4M. Should be movable.

 

[ovikovy817]

Not particularly appealing. You save 3M, but you'll still need a D man to replace Orpik. Can you find a UFA D for 3M that's going to be much better than Orpik? And then you worsen the cap situation for two more years.

Even if we're considering that route, I think a much better option would be to try to find a taker for 50% retained. You'll save pretty much the same money, and you won't be on the hook for extra buyout years. And Orpik at 50% should be a positive asset, IMO.

This.
Trade him, but don't bought out him.

 

[Jags]

Just a reminder that we lost Semin and Green for free. That alone should tell what is Leonsis' approach when it comes to trading superstars.

Leonsis doesn't make those calls. Semin was an enigma we couldn't quite figure out because his offense lagged at the same time everyone else's did (including Ovi). If his contract year coincided with a bad year for us, we would have traded him. But we thought we could contend, so we kept him.

Same with Mike Green. We liked our chances that year, and Green was solid as a 3rd-pair guy and PP specialist. Giving him up at the deadline would have hurt us.

It takes hindsight to see those two moves as bad. Both guys were snatched up eagerly and paid big by other clubs, so they were perceived as strong assets, both in years where we were trying to win a Cup.

It's easy to question those calls after the fact.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Leonsis doesn't make those calls. Semin was an enigma we couldn't quite figure out because his offense lagged at the same time everyone else's did (including Ovi). If his contract year coincided with a bad year for us, we would have traded him. But we thought we could contend, so we kept him.

Same with Mike Green. We liked our chances that year, and Green was solid as a 3rd-pair guy and PP specialist. Giving him up at the deadline would have hurt us.

It takes hindsight to see those two moves as bad. Both guys were snatched up eagerly and paid big by other clubs, so they were perceived as strong assets, both in years where we were trying to win a Cup.

It's easy to question those calls after the fact.

You should know your own damn players and what they're capable of.

Pittsburgh unloaded two highly regarded young offensive dmen for Kunitz, Neal AND Niskanen. Both moves were brilliant.

 

[Hivemind]

Obviously you take a trade on Orpik if you can find one that doesn't cost the Caps much, but you buy him out if you don't find it. Hell, they can run with Chorney or another cheap 6/7 for most of the year, and patch the hole at the deadline if they have to. But the $5.5M anchor has to go.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Leonsis doesn't make those calls. Semin was an enigma we couldn't quite figure out because his offense lagged at the same time everyone else's did (including Ovi). If his contract year coincided with a bad year for us, we would have traded him. But we thought we could contend, so we kept him.

Same with Mike Green. We liked our chances that year, and Green was solid as a 3rd-pair guy and PP specialist. Giving him up at the deadline would have hurt us.

It takes hindsight to see those two moves as bad. Both guys were snatched up eagerly and paid big by other clubs, so they were perceived as strong assets, both in years where we were trying to win a Cup.

It's easy to question those calls after the fact.

It doesn't take hindsight. Many of us were calling for Semin (and Green later) to be moved back when they had some remaining value. Atrocious asset management doesn't take a crystal ball to reveal itself.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Obviously you take a trade on Orpik if you can find one that doesn't cost the Caps much, but you buy him out if you don't find it. Hell, they can run with Chorney or another cheap 6/7 for most of the year, and patch the hole at the deadline if they have to. But the $5.5M anchor has to go.

I have to agree. I'd buy him out barring trade relief.

 

[MrGone]

Same with Mike Green. We liked our chances that year, and Green was solid as a 3rd-pair guy and PP specialist. Giving him up at the deadline would have hurt us.

It takes hindsight to see those two moves as bad. Both guys were snatched up eagerly and paid big by other clubs, so they were perceived as strong assets, both in years where we were trying to win a Cup.

It's easy to question those calls after the fact.

Green should have ben gone after the 2008-2009 season. As soon as it was clear his game dropped off as soon as he was banged up.

It just takes vision and balls. Two things GMGM did not have.

 

[um]

Green should have ben gone after the 2008-2009 season. As soon as it was clear his game dropped off as soon as he was banged up.

It just takes vision and balls. Two things GMGM did not have.

he was a first team all star in 2009-2010...

 

[RandyHolt]

The big question is we will hire a modern day coach that wants no homer lunkhead old school Dmen. I think with Ovi injured and Holts lame loffs may well buy Barry another year. He is old school.

I will be the fish that swims up stream that says Oprik is back next year. I think he was better this year, than last. I think Barry did not use him well, he needs to be a homer taking no risks - no one gets behind him. Sure he is overpaid, but lets see who is more overpaid next year, he or Alzner.

George is not going to take him if we dangle one of our few remaining late picks, and the buyout is dumb.

Say we dump both Karl and Brooks - I think we will add a vet LD homer like Hainsey for 2-3M. Who we will hate.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Orpik was better this regular season, but he was a liability in the postseason. Won't surprise me if he's back, but he shouldn't be.

The buyout isn't all that punishing at this point. But it's likely a wash move financially because he has to be replaced unless we roll Chorney or Bowey in the bottom pair.

 

[Jags]

It doesn't take hindsight. Many of us were calling for Semin (and Green later) to be moved back when they had some remaining value. Atrocious asset management doesn't take a crystal ball to reveal itself.

I was, too. But once we held on, moving Semin at the TDL that year would have been self-destructive. We were playing well. No reason not to take a shot, and you can't do that without one of your best players. I was good with trading him prior to that year because it was clear we weren't even trying to build a 2nd line around him. But once we waited until we did, trading him would have been a bad move.

With Green, it's McPhee versus MacLellan. It was stupid for McPhee not to trade him, but not so much with Mac. Green played well for us that year. Trade him prior to the season maybe, but his value was down because of his recent history. Moving him at the TDL would have been a mistake.

 

[Caps8112]

he was a first team all star in 2009-2010...

should have traded him when he hit 30 goals. hadnt happened in what 10 years or so, most likely wouldnt happen again. 20.20 or something

 

[Caps8112]

most of these guys we are saying we want gone will be back. Management doesnt see this season as much of a failure as we do. Ovi was hurt, Holtby was off. Thats what they will say and nothing will change. Oshie almost certainly gone. Williams, Winnik, Carey will go. If Alzner stays he will be overpaid. KS who cares.

So some guys from hershey will come up and the caps will be mediocre to slightly above and be somewhere around a 4th or 5th seed (using old format) and get curbstomped in the first round. Wash, Rinse, repeat until Ovi retires.

Eller, Beagle, Carlson and Orpik will be there most likely tho.

 

[g00n]

Has Ted made any kind of statement yet?

 

[pman25]

Orpik was better this regular season, but he was a liability in the postseason. Won't surprise me if he's back, but he shouldn't be.

The buyout isn't all that punishing at this point. But it's likely a wash move financially because he has to be replaced unless we roll Chorney or Bowey in the bottom pair.

Buy him out or trade him, replace him internally. Role with Chorney or plug in a young guy like Djoos, Hobbs, Siegenthaler, or Bowey (whoever has the best camp) How much worse can they be than Orpik? It's time to get younger anyway.

 

[ovikovy817]

Salary cap : 73M$
Cap hit : 72,867,628M$

22 players. For the last (22nd) place. Choose between Sill, Barber or Ness.

Orpik traded with pick(s) for pick

Oshie 6Mx5
Jdub 2.5Mx1
Kuzya 5.5Mx5
Bura 2Mx2
Schmidt 2Mx2
Orlov 4.5Mx2
Hainsey 2Mx2
Stephenson and Copley 750Kx2 both

bring Vrana, Stephenson and Bowey as permanent guys

 

[MW6]

Salary cap : 73M$
Cap hit : 72,867,628M$

22 players. For the last (22nd) place. Choose between Sill, Barber or Ness.

Orpik traded with pick(s) for pick

Oshie 6Mx5
Jdub 2.5Mx1
Kuzya 5.5Mx5
Bura 2Mx2
Schmidt 2Mx2
Orlov 4.5Mx2
Hainsey 2Mx2
Stephenson and Copley 750Kx2 both

bring Vrana, Stephenson and Bowey as permanent guys

I think the team would benefit more if you changed the wingers of your 2nd and 3rd lines, because neither Ovie or Willy are that good at creating their own chances.

 

[ovikovy817]

I think the team would benefit more if you changed the wingers of your 2nd and 3rd lines, because neither Ovie or Willy are that good at creating their own chances.

I let those lines, because they finished the year like that.

But I think Ovi-Nicky-Osh should play together, they had a dominant season, why spread them in the regular season.

There are a lot of possibilities with interchanging wingers.
like change Wilson and Vrana. etc

 

[MrGone]

he was a first team all star in 2009-2010...

Yes, and it was the second sign that his game dropped way off as soon as he was banned up. There was no way he could hold up for a 20+ game playoff run.

Like I said balls and vision. To sell high on a player that was not going to be able to get it done in the long run.

 

[Tweedsuitcase]

Yes, and it was the first sign that his game dropped way off as soon as he was banned up. There was no way he could hold up for a 20+ game playoff run.

Like I said balls and vision. To sell high on a player that was not going to be able to get it done in the long run.

that's just playing into the "contender year after year to fill seats" narrative. why sell a useful/impact player if you're going for it?

 

[Langway]

Has Ted made any kind of statement yet?

https://tedstake.monumentalsportsnetwork.com/2017/05/12/this-loss-hurts

Our team definitely will look different next year due to expiring contracts and salary cap limits. At this point I don’t know what the team makeup will be, but our goal is to retain and acquire players who will help us to advance in the playoffs and win a championship in 2018.

So no rebuild, no real reflection due to pressure to provide to the fans and probably losing Carlson after next year for nothing. Rinse repeat.

 

[marcel snapshot]

Orpik was better this regular season, but he was a liability in the postseason. Won't surprise me if he's back, but he shouldn't be.

The buyout isn't all that punishing at this point. But it's likely a wash move financially because he has to be replaced unless we roll Chorney or Bowey in the bottom pair.

Shattenkirk was much less D-zone gaffe prone, once he was paired up with Schmidt toward end of Pens series. Shatty-Orpik just never worked. I don't think Shatty felt confident moving the puck to Orpik, and so he got trapped more and made more panicky passes to other guys on the ice.

Honestly though, these pairings really aren't terrible, especially for the regular season. But it means we have to find a way to protect Schmidt:

Nisky-Orlov
Carlson-Schmidt
Orpik-Chorney

And then give the best of the young Hershey guys the 7D slot

In the playoffs, you largely hide that 3rd pairing, like most teams do anyway.