About the recent talk of American players demanding trades... Isn't it a good thing?

[MMC]

How is it culturally and structurally dufferent?

Different political system, different economic system, different climate, different religions are more/less prominent, I can go on and on…

 

[gstommylee]

Well, respectfully, i don't really know what to say when you feel there is some legal issue but can't define it. As I said, i work in a union and our collective bargaining allows for different salaries based on where you live.

maybe its different cause its just 1 employer vs many individual employers like in sports I Just can't see how the owner of the leafs can tell the NHL franchise of the panthers they have a lower salary cap but they can have a higher salary cap. I still doesn't see the 32 owners touching the tax issue ever. Maybe i am thinking of the wrong law.

 

[Cas]

Different political system, different economic system, different climate, different religions are more/less prominent, I can go on and on…

Canada and the United States are, and have been for a very long time, extremely alike in all of those facets.

I think you are greatly exaggerating extremely minor details, particularly the ones that are often blown hugely out of proportion by certain kinds of people who are desperate to make some kind of "point" that is entirely for the consumption of their audience, seeking assurances for their already-determined beliefs, for the benefit of the claimant.

 

[MMC]

Canada and the United States are, and have been for a very long time, extremely alike in all of those facets.

I think you are greatly exaggerating extremely minor details, particularly the ones that are often blown hugely out of proportion by certain kinds of people who are desperate to make some kind of "point" that is entirely for the consumption of their audience, seeking assurances for their already-determined beliefs, for the benefit of the claimant.

I’ve spent a lot of time in both countries and I definitely notice a big difference and I’m sure many of the American players do as well

 

[93LEAFS]

maybe its different cause its just 1 employer vs many individual employers like in sports I Just can't see how the owner of the leafs can tell the NHL franchise of the panthers they have a lower salary cap but they can have a higher salary cap. I still doesn't see the 32 owners touching the tax issue ever. Maybe i am thinking of the wrong law.

Then I ask again. How come the NBA can tell the players and the one franchise it benefits they aren't allowed to set-up RCAs? That is every other owner telling the players and the Raptors what they can't do.

The owners are unlikely to ever do anything. But, you are acting like there is caselaw the stops it. And, if that was the case, the NBA blocking something that is available to MLB and NHL players would be taken to court.

And, the NHL literally tells people they have to have a salary cap, because it's collectively bargained. A lot of the major markets teams in 06 were not down with the full season lockout, it was done to save the bottom feeders, and in the end the major market owners benefitted by having lower salary expenses. Do you think teams like the Leafs and Rangers wanted to lose a season of revenue, and have to share more revenue to support struggling teams?

 

[Cas]

I’ve spent a lot of time in both countries and I definitely notice a big difference and I’m sure many of the American players do as well

If you're already looking to make mountains out of molehills, it's easy to find the molehills.

"Different religions" - literally lol. The only difference in religion between Canada and the U.S. is hockey vs football.

 

[MMC]

If you're already looking to make mountains out of molehills, it's easy to find the molehills.

"Different religions" - literally lol. The only difference in religion between Canada and the U.S. is hockey vs football.

If you’re going to dismiss something as significant to people as religion then there’s no sense trying to convince you of anything

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Ban full NMC and NTC’s and limit how many trade clauses a team can hand out. The NMC’s are the real issue.

Better idea is to make it so players have to earn them instead of having them handed to them on a silver platter. Something like 500 GP for an M-NTC, 750 GP for an NTC, and 1000 GP for an NMC. Players who already have trade protection would be grandfathered in.

 

[koivalev]

How do you know they come from conservative families?

How do I know the majority of American players in a mostly white, unaffordable sport come from conservative families? Statistics and their choice of post-gold medal game locker room companion

 

[coupe89]

Canada and the United States are, and have been for a very long time, extremely alike in all of those facets.

I think you are greatly exaggerating extremely minor details, particularly the ones that are often blown hugely out of proportion by certain kinds of people who are desperate to make some kind of "point" that is entirely for the consumption of their audience, seeking assurances for their already-determined beliefs, for the benefit of the claimant.

Yes, I have found it more of a region thing where the differences are. Like east coast is mostly the same while west coast is mostly the same.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Different political system, different economic system, different climate, different religions are more/less prominent, I can go on and on…

Yet Europeans have no trouble playing in Canada
Sounds like a US player thing

 

[BlackAdam]

At this point unless you're either Toronto or Montreal, don't be shocked if your star player asks for a trade out.

 

[93LEAFS]

If you’re going to dismiss something as significant to people as religion then there’s no sense trying to convince you of anything

Okay, when it comes to relgious services available to practice religion. Please tell me what demographic exists in cities like New York or LA, that doesn't in Toronto my only guess is Scientology which isn't a legal religion here (and even then they have their outpost out in Scarbrough where they can practice but not get tax breaks).

 

[Rabid Ranger]

If you’re going to dismiss something as significant to people as religion then there’s no sense trying to convince you of anything

What religious differences are you talking about? Canada being a more secular society? Culturally, the U.S. and Canada are very similar. What you are inferring really doesn't have much of a role in players like Tkachuk (who is a dual by the way with a Canadian mother) wanting out of a market like Ottawa. Even factors like the weather or media scrutiny take a back seat to wanting to win. This isn't a strictly American thing. Canadian franchises have a hard time retaining stars regardless of where they come from.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Okay, when it comes to relgious services available to practice religion. Please tell me what demographic exists in cities like New York or LA, that doesn't in Toronto my only guess is Scientology which isn't a legal religion here (and even then they have their outpost out in Scarbrough where they can practice but not get tax breaks).

He’s saying certain religions are more prominent/ engrained than others in certain places which then has a large effect on overall culture and community.

Which is absolutely 100% true. Look at the American deep South and Baptism versus say Long Island and Catholicism.

 

[New User Name]

If you're already looking to make mountains out of molehills, it's easy to find the molehills.

"Different religions" - literally lol. The only difference in religion between Canada and the U.S. is hockey vs football.

The Bible Belt is full of extremely conservative Christians who are well, let's just say ______________
but I don't think players really think about religion when signing a NHL contract

 

[Craig Ludwig]

It's surely a combination of factors. Personally I think the increased travel time for western teams + the higher amount of pressure from fans/media are huge factors as well. It's gotta be a lot more stressful to play in a Canadian market compared to most American ones. Obviously winning might make guys overlook other negatives and there has always been an aura about playing for Montreal, similar to being a Yankee in baseball.

Let's face it, weather and taxes also play a major factor. If you've ever been to Ottawa, really not a very glamorous place to live, high taxes, crappy location of the arena, and crappy weather. If I can pay less taxes and my backyard is the ocean, hmmm. But Minnesota puzzles me on why people want to be traded there, would love to hear from others why.

 

[93LEAFS]

What religious differences are you talking about? Canada being a more secular society? Culturally, the U.S. and Canada are very similar. What you are inferring really doesn't have much of a role in players like Tkachuk (who is a dual by the way with a Canadian mother) wanting out of a market like Ottawa. Even factors like the weather or media scrutiny take a back seat to wanting to win. This isn't a strictly American thing. Canadian franchises have a hard time retaining stars regardless of where they come from.

Outside Marner (who was a local kid), Toronto has never really had a problem in the NHL retaining who they want to keep, especially with Americans. The only examples of Americans/Leafs I can think of are Mathieu Schneider wanted out, and Jimmy Hayes wouldn't sign out of college. The Jays seem to be doing a good job of signing big name American UFA's in baseball (Cease, Gausman, and Springer being recent examples of high-profile American players), Josh Donaldson still lives here. I believe Kessel lives part of the year in the GTA still, JVR didn't want to leave (but we used what would have retained him to sign JT).

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Its hard for me to decide which Tkachuk is the bigger POS ‘cause they’re all such gigantic POS…

 

[New User Name]

Outside Marner (who was a local kid), Toronto has never really had a problem in the NHL retaining who they want to keep, especially with Americans. The only examples of Americans/Leafs I can think of are Mathieu Schneider wanted out, and Jimmy Hayes wouldn't sign out of college. The Jays seem to be doing a good job of signing big name American UFA's in baseball (Cease, Gausman, and Springer being recent examples of high-profile American players), Josh Donaldson still lives here. I believe Kessel lives part of the year in the GTA still, JVR didn't want to leave (but we used what would have retained him to sign JT).

If I was a GM I would be hesitant in drafting American players. That said we know many Canadian players do not want to play in Canada.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Who’s next POS to bail? Hellybuck? This is your legacy, Gary.

 

[mikeyfan]

Ban full NMC and NTC’s and limit how many trade clauses a team can hand out. The NMC’s are the real issue.

how is it an issue? The players ask for it, then they demand the teams break it. That's on the players not the Teams.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

How do you know they come from conservative families?

NHL's American players among the most right-leaning in pro sports: Report

Watching Florida Panther forward Matthew Tkachuk gush over U.S. president Donald Trump at the White House while donning the Commander-in-Chief’s signature red tie may have been a hint, but a new report gleaned from publicly available voter registration data finds that the NHL’s American players...

toronto.citynews.ca

The Political Lean of Pro Sports

Using publicly available voter registration data, this analysis provides the first systematic, league-by-league examination of political partisanship among professional athletes in the United States.

votehub.com

N.H.L. players are Republicans

The politics of professional athletes are a clear reflection of league demographics.

www.slowboring.com

New Analysis Reveals Political Leanings of America’s Pro Sports Leagues

A new report using voter registration data has revealed where athletes in America's major professional leagues stand on the political spectrum.

sports.yahoo.com

Without angering the mods, here is a list of articles featuring studies about players pol leanings. From this, one can easily come to the conclusion that a sizeable number come from con backgrounds.

I'll leave end this topic here, again so I don't anger the board gods.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

At this point unless you're either Toronto or Montreal, don't be shocked if your star player asks for a trade out.

I don't think either city is safe from that.

 

[Battle Lin]

Who’s next POS to bail? Hellybuck? This is your legacy, Gary.

imo helly is the next on the list and ottawa has a nice young american d that is looking to get out in a few years