Value of: A trade involving Marner & Dahlin. Interest on either side? What would it take?

[Weltschmerz]

Go resign him and see what a waste of cap spsce it us when you van easily sign 2 equally decent players for the same price

Yeah they are not getting 2 top 10 scorers for less than 10 each. Chances are if they let him walk they overpay 2 or 3 medicore players than 1 good one. Not to long ago leafs spend cap in that ballpark on a combination of Klingenberg, Bertuzzi and Reaves.

 

[benfranklin]

Buffalo can negotiate the exact same extension themselves so the value his value is the exact same as if he's a rental

Not even remotely close.

Marner signed at 8x$14M vs Marner UFA is dramatically different value wise.

If hes a rental, youll get nothing from the Sabres without aa deal in place signed by Toronto or immediately signed by Buffalo after being traded.

The Sabres are better off waiting for the offseason and offering him 7x$15M since they arent a playoff team.

 

[Mattilaus]

Everything is magical in Buffalo

Will surely get even better if we trade away our best player and #1 D for a winger! Then we can have a team with 0 competent D men!

 

[Fatass]

Imo Marner will not play as well as he does for his home town team anywhere else. He’s a Leaf.

 

[Djp]

Yeah they are not getting 2 top 10 scorers for less than 10 each. Chances are if they let him walk they overpay 2 or 3 medicore players than 1 good one. Not to long ago leafs spend cap in that ballpark on a combination of Klingenberg, Bertuzzi and Reaves.

Mathews/JT ase s big differencr in Warner. Too much risk.

It's why colorado traded ratanen.

You can get secondary wingers smat $6M playing with matthews and they will be great too.

Ive said this before.....

has happen in the nfl to running backs and receivers. They are replaceable unless they bring something exceptionsl.

Wingerd in hockey will be the same. Unless you are a wingetvlijr movie who can put up 40+ goals a year or you are physical who can dcore25+ like tkachuk you are going to likely he ELC/bridge/4 year contract thrn get replaced by an ELC unless you can drive the play

 

[Weltschmerz]

Mathews/JT ase s big differencr in Warner. Too much risk.

It's why colorado traded ratanen.

You can get secondary wingers smat $6M playing with matthews and they will be great too.

Ive said this before.....

has happen in the nfl to running backs and receivers. They are replaceable unless they bring something exceptionsl.

Wingerd in hockey will be the same. Unless you are a wingetvlijr movie who can put up 40+ goals a year or you are physical who can dcore25+ like tkachuk you are going to likely he ELC/bridge/4 year contract thrn get replaced by an ELC unless you can drive the play

Don't really see those good wingers for 6 when I look at the UFA list, Ehlers and Boeser are gonne get more and after that you are already looking at guys like Zucker.

 

[Miro4Norris]

Heiskanen fan, how shocking. You a Finn too?

So what? Just shows that I have a respect on quality defensemen. You are a Buffalo fan here getting your feelings hurt of me saying that this season's top5 player in points, two-way winger, and elite player in advanced stats is better than your favorite team's dman, who is barely even positive for his team looking advanced stats and never even able to get his team to playoffs.

Marner brings twice as much points on the table than Dahlin and probably more defensive value at the same time. No player in the league even close to Marner's point totals start as many shifts from the defensive zone than him.

 

[Kegs]

Can’t see marner resigning in Buffalo so I doubt this happens. Also Dahlin is such a great player. I doubt Buffalo is even entertaining trades for him.

 

[Djp]

Don't really see those good wingers for 6 when I look at the UFA list, Ehlers and Boeser are gonne get more and after that you are already looking at guys like Zucker.

I'm talking about younger players either coming off a bridge or getting a long contract off an elc,.

Otherd are veteran players who arent superstars but can put up 20-25 a yr that are around $4M-$6M.

From ROI...A team with a young decent prosprct could fo similar numbers so they opt for the kid.

.these vets will sign short term 2-3 yr contract as bridges to prosprct development. Some will lose jobs.

it happens in the NFL where players move around every 1-2 yrs filling gaps in a ridter that lacks the youth

 

[Nico Hischier]

I could see Buffalo trading Owen power but not dahlin

 

[VeteranPresence]

Everything is magical in Buffalo

They would definitely be remiss not to add Marner’s stellar playoff production!

 

[CowbellConray]

So what? Just shows that I have a respect on quality defensemen. You are a Buffalo fan here getting your feelings hurt of me saying that this season's top5 player in points, two-way winger, and elite player in advanced stats is better than your favorite team's dman, who is barely even positive for his team looking advanced stats and never even able to get his team to playoffs.

Marner brings twice as much points on the table than Dahlin and probably more defensive value at the same time. No player in the league even close to Marner's point totals start as many shifts from the defensive zone than him.

I'm sorry but that's absolutely insane. Marner is a special offensive talent, but Dahlin isn't a slouch defensively. There is a reason every single player paired with Dahlin has their advanced stats improve (and some markedly). Dahlin isn't perfect, but to say Marner is a better defensive player is asinine.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

So what? Just shows that I have a respect on quality defensemen. You are a Buffalo fan here getting your feelings hurt of me saying that this season's top5 player in points, two-way winger, and elite player in advanced stats is better than your favorite team's dman, who is barely even positive for his team looking advanced stats and never even able to get his team to playoffs.

Marner brings twice as much points on the table than Dahlin and probably more defensive value at the same time. No player in the league even close to Marner's point totals start as many shifts from the defensive zone than him.

Maybe because people like you (Finns and Heiskanen fans) are utterly incapable of looking at Dahlin in anything remotely resembling an objective manner, and your posts in this thread prove it It's laughable really.

And I'll leave it at that.

 

[Miro4Norris]

Maybe because people like you (Finns and Heiskanen fans) are utterly incapable of looking at Dahlin in anything remotely resembling an objective manner, and your posts in this thread prove it It's laughable really.

And I'll leave it at that.

Thanks for proving me that Dahlin is better player than Marner in any sense instead of focusing on my username which has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Warrior16]

Marner (contract extension agreed too) for a Power + Cozens package, add in extras where needed. Close or hell no from both sides?

 

[Miro4Norris]

I'm sorry but that's absolutely insane. Marner is a special offensive talent, but Dahlin isn't a slouch defensively. There is a reason every single player paired with Dahlin has their advanced stats improve (and some markedly). Dahlin isn't perfect, but to say Marner is a better defensive player is asinine.

I wouldn't say its a huge stretch to say that probably top3 two-way winger (with Reinahrt and Stone) brings more defensively to the team compared to a replacement level player than a defensively mid defenseman.

 

[CowbellConray]

I wouldn't say its a huge stretch to say that probably top3 two-way winger (with Reinahrt and Stone) brings more defensively to the team compared to a replacement level player than a defensively mid defenseman.

That's crazy. I'm sorry but Marner is a good two way winger, but a winger carries such little responsibility defensively. Dahlin, even though I clearly stated his play consistently elevates the defensive metrics of every partner he plays with, is a 6 out of 10 defensively. A 6 out of 10 D man carries more defensive impact than a 9 out of 10 winger.

What you are saying with that specific point is in fact a huge stretch. Marner bringing more defensive value than Dahlin? Crazy. You are trying to make a point which I can understand (Marner is more valuable than Dahlin), but you dont need to bring crazy falsehoods in to try to make it

 

[Super Hans]

"What would it take?"

Terry Pegula leaving the Buffalo Sabres to Paul Marner in his will.

 

[go4hockey]

Marner is much better player but contract wise not going to work

I would take the #1 defenseman over any winger all day long.

 

[Fjordy]

Thanks for proving me that Dahlin is better player than Marner in any sense instead of focusing on my username which has nothing to do with this thread.

Dahlin is very good for us and we are not trading him.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Dahlin is very good for us and we are not trading him.

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Ok, but Marner has the #1 kill streak in Fortnight, his rizz is impeccable- both interesting players, it’s closer than some are saying.

 

[Schennanigans]

Marner would never waive for Buffalo. I’d be interested in something around Cousins/Power. Not sure what plus Buffalo would add but it’s something to work with. But there’s no incentive for Marner to waive. An extension in place is not a big sell for him as he will get significant offers from Toronto and other teams. Also he’d be going to a much worser team. Zero chance he’d waive.