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A SERIOUS DEBATE: Acquiring Sekera, what will it take?

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Canes fans seem hellbent on not getting another diminutive forward. So I would not include Weal in any proposal (which is why the Leafs might be a better trade partner).
 
Jason Lewis said:
Sekera is more the type of player the Kings need. He is definitely worth the cost especially if Voynov is as done as people seem to think.
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I tend to agree but I also think DL would be loathe to give up major assets for him. I know Canes want big forwards but will also get a 1st for him. From the Kings that might look like something like Auger and a 1st. But I have a hard time seeing us lose Scuderi-Mitchell-Sekera-possibly Voynov in consecutive years and not having a 1st.

If DL can speak to Sekera's agent first, that might help.

If DL plans on Sekera replacing Muzzin/Martinez, that would help.

As much as I think Sekera has been underrated around here, it's just hard to see the situation make sense for a GM that's ultimately pretty conservative especially with how bare the farm is lately with 1st round talent.
 
I Wealy don't understand all this Weal trade talk... as Kingsfan pointed out he's probably the most NHL ready... but with Richards still up in the air, is Lombardi going to trade one of the better centers he has in the AHL right now....
 
If DL could make a lot of the cost conditional contingent on re-signing the guy I'd be happy to pay the troll toll if we inked him now or later.

The cap hit could end up being the hangup as per usual.
 
So IF we picked up Sekera

Voyov
Doughty
Sekera
Muzzin
Martinez
McNabbbb
Greene
Forbort (we gotta do something with him)
Regehr (I have to think that Suter/Lombardi want to do what they can to keep him around and that he wants to be here).

So IF we went after Sekera at the deadline which I don't see us doing without moving out one of our existing D not named Voynov for obvious reasons then we will have some serious troubles with the cap if Voynov comes back on 3/2 or shortly there after.

Getting Sekera would have to be part of a much bigger deal or after other deals were made to make room including the room needed to add him to our team on a more long term basis.

As of today I don't see it happening or being worth our doing it.
 
TwoForRoughing said:
Canes fans seem hellbent on not getting another diminutive forward. So I would not include Weal in any proposal (which is why the Leafs might be a better trade partner).
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Send them Andreoff/Nolan/Auger then. Just not a first.

Brad Doty said:
If DL can speak to Sekera's agent first, that might help.
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i believe that could constitute tampering, even if Carolina gave permission. What's possible, and likely to happen in any trade for any UFA the acquiring team wishes to resign is the GM's can talk. IE, Francis can tell DL what Sekera was asking for. Likely DL could even pass an offer to Sekera through Francis, but I don't believe LA and Sekera can go talk in a room someplace about anything contractually related.

Trolfoli said:
I Wealy don't understand all this Weal trade talk... as Kingsfan pointed out he's probably the most NHL ready... but with Richards still up in the air, is Lombardi going to trade one of the better centers he has in the AHL right now....
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I believe Weal has to clear waivers next year and right now we have likely 12 forwards coming back (assuming all RFA's are resigned). At centre will likely be Kopitar-Carter-Shore. And that doesn't count possibly resigning Stoll or Williams as some have advocated for on these boards, or Richards sticking around until next year. It's very possible Weal doesn't have much of a chance to crack the roster next year.

Even if Stoll, Richards and Weal ae dealt/leave, DL could likely sign a vet 3rd/4th line centre while Shore improves and Kempe develops on the cheap.
 
I thought we spoke to Gabby's agent before we picked him up? I could be wrong but I believe that was part of the reason why we pulled the trigger.
 
bluedevil58 said:
What if that rental brings in a cup? Is it worth the 1st then?
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We will never know cause were lucky to have DL and he has not been willing to toss 1st for rentals and I don't see him starting now. That is how things were done in LA before Dean and I hope they never go back that way as most times your tossing good pieces for a few months of a player.... Not worth it.
 
I don't see it possible outside of him being an expensive rental. We'd have to pay a premium to Toronto to unload Richards if we have hopes of re-signing Sekera should we acquire him.

I don't think Voynov is done, though I am hesitant to see what kind of hockey player we get back after the ordeal he's gone through. We don't have much information available, but I'd be surprised if he is found guilty and receives any punishment that would take him away from the team for any extended period of time.

If we get Sekera, I see him as a pure rental, and if I were Dean I would hold off; however, if we were going to make the deal, I think others are correct that Weal and a 2nd would be a good price to pay.
 
kingsfan said:
I believe Weal has to clear waivers next year and right now we have likely 12 forwards coming back (assuming all RFA's are resigned). At centre will likely be Kopitar-Carter-Shore. And that doesn't count possibly resigning Stoll or Williams as some have advocated for on these boards, or Richards sticking around until next year. It's very possible Weal doesn't have much of a chance to crack the roster next year.

Even if Stoll, Richards and Weal are dealt/leave, DL could likely sign a vet 3rd/4th line centre while Shore improves and Kempe develops on the cheap.
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The only way there's money for Stoll/UFA replacement next year is if Williams/Regehr are both replaced with guys making around 1M... That assumes Richards contract had around a 30% retention....

Now if Lombardi can get away from Richards contract free and clear... he could maybe keep Stoll/Regehr instead of Williams (depending on what they all ask for)... This doesn't seem likely as I see Lombardi going for Williams over Stoll at this point.... and that's without getting a hit from Richards contract.

Moving Richards with a hit on the Kings cap may very well result in Shore/Weal as the 3/4 centers next year. There's always an outside chance Kempe/Porky make the jump...

If the Roster spot is an issue Andy can always be traded. Of course if Weal wanted to make the Kings roster 100% next year he could resign for 550k.... that would allow him to take over for Andy in the box and get an opportunity in a game or 2... would still be more then he makes in the AHL.

Edit: Now that I think about it... William, Regehr are probably both ahead of Stoll in terms of who is brought back.... Also looking at the Frattin/Carcillo move Lombardi pulled where he went the whole year without a 2nd line LW until trading for Gaborik at the deadline.... Rolling Kopitar/Carter/Shore/Weal then picking up a C at the deadline wouldn't be out of the question for Lombardi.
 
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Telos said:
I don't see it possible outside of him being an expensive rental. We'd have to pay a premium to Toronto to unload Richards if we have hopes of re-signing Sekera should we acquire him.

I don't think Voynov is done, though I am hesitant to see what kind of hockey player we get back after the ordeal he's gone through. We don't have much information available, but I'd be surprised if he is found guilty and receives any punishment that would take him away from the team for any extended period of time.

If we get Sekera, I see him as a pure rental, and if I were Dean I would hold off; however, if we were going to make the deal, I think others are correct that Weal and a 2nd would be a good price to pay.
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Great minds thinking alike^.
 
Sincere apology here to the LA board from a Canes' fan. I see Bd58 is spreading his cringeworthy "discussions" outside of the CAR board...
 
I think the Weal and a 2nd seems fair, but these things have a way of being more expensive than that. Supply & Demand for a 2nd pair defenseman may push things higher.

This deadline is extra complicated this season.
 
Ollie Weeks said:
If DL could make a lot of the cost conditional contingent on re-signing the guy I'd be happy to pay the troll toll if we inked him now or later.

The cap hit could end up being the hangup as per usual.
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:yo:

pay the troll toll!

This stuff is hard to predict and with cap space at a premium, the cost could get driven down. Look at what Gaborik went for last year. Obviously, that is a far cry from an apples to apples comparison but the point is you never really know how crazy the prices may or may not get. I'd wager on the side of crazy but their have to be crazy buyers to make that happen.
 
Obviously with Voynov situation still up in the air, this is a risky move.

And DL doesn't usually go after rentals...

but... as tonights telecast exposed, Doughty is playing the most minutes in the entire NHL.

DL has to go out and get a D, there's no way DL can let Sutter continue to give Doughty that kind of minutes every game.
 
I think DL has a deal lined up, maybe a few different deals and is just waiting to see if anything with the Voynov case changes. I'd imagine he wants to give as much time as possible to see if the case is dropped, so maybe he's watching to see if it does go to trail on the 25th. If yes, pull the trigger on a deal that's already in the cooker.
 
Face Wash said:
I think the Weal and a 2nd seems fair, but these things have a way of being more expensive than that. Supply & Demand for a 2nd pair defenseman may push things higher.

This deadline is extra complicated this season.
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True, it's a seller's market and as the other D get traded or signed one by one, Sekera's value goes up. Canes are looking for a #1 and a top prospect, which they won't get, but there are teams out there that have a lot better to offer than Weal, he won't get you Sekara

I read yesterday that the Canes like John Moore and that the Rags like Sekera, and have a high 2nd round pick from a trade, and that might be something that the Canes would go for, if no team is giving upa 1st. Friedman said quite a few teams are looking at Sekera, who wants north of 5.5M in a LTC
Buyer beware
 
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