Post-Game Talk: A Pure-Laine Hat-Trick in Montreal vs the Sabres

[NJ07102]

So happy for him, he is a good guy and obviously in the right place now.

 

[Goalfield13]

No he’s not. Not with Celebrini being a PPG

Hutson is a D though. We shall see how it goes. You may be right.

 

[SwiftyHab]

This is HFboards, we love picks and prospects more than anything else!

 

[ChesterNimitz]

whenever i'm talking about stockholm syndrome being renamed as habs syndrome this is what i'm talking about

allergic to talent

One of the most important talents in professional sports is availability.

In his previous 8 seasons Laine has only played two full seasons. As players age their durability, and resulting availability, lessens.

Some here are also seemingly allergic to the concept of foreseeability.

 

[LaP]

One of the most important talents in professional sports is availability.

In his previous 8 seasons Laine has only played two full seasons. As players age their durability, and resulting availability, lessens.

Some here are also seemingly allergic to the concept of foreseeability.

Laine is just 26 though he is at least around 4 years away from aging having an effect on him. The main wall between him and being healthy is mental and a bit of luck if the mental is there.

 

[teamfirst]

Good to be on the right side of a blowout game once in while, loved the Laine acquisition from day one always liked the guy, always tought that he was more than a shot, hope he can get the rest of his game back.

 

[Tabarouette]

also not to take anything away from the win but oof man the Sabres

very similar to the Senators under Melnyk, no hope

 

[President XD]

Imagine what Laine could garner us at the trade deadline if his production continues?

Just a thought.

How about building around him instead? He's only 26. I get that many here are obsessed with picks and prospects but at some point you need to keep some of the players that perform well and try to continue building around those players.

 

[Rapala]

Good to be on the right side of a blowout game once in while, loved the Laine acquisition from day one always liked the guy, always tought that he was more than a shot, hope he can get the rest of his game back.

Five more in a row just like it and we can get our differential down to -1.

 

[teamfirst]

Five more in a row just like it and we can get our differential down to -1.

Five more in a row just like it and we can get our differential down to -1.

Hey....PGT up to 8 pages..........progressions everywhere

 

[RageQuit77]

One of the most important talents in professional sports is availability.

In his previous 8 seasons Laine has only played two full seasons. As players age their durability, and resulting availability, lessens.

Some here are also seemingly allergic to the concept of foreseeability.

True. But it is just one. Sports is also a form of entertainment, where value of things are measured how entertaining they're now. In case of PL, it is indeed just to point out and take account to his past from the perspective of 'broken commodity', but when doing that, one must also point out his resilience to overcome adversity: it's not first time for him to rise from the ash. That is important part of that 'foreseeability' too.

Then, hoping for good draft picks is OK, and natural urge, but when valuing such things and totally unseen and not yet materialized potential of a future player that high over proven players playing now, you can't see what happens now leads easily to a maelstrom of perpetual rebuilding. Picks are nice and all, but that niceness tend to get too shortsighted for purposes of real rebuilding. Instant gratification of potentially game-changing, generational pick blinds too often to actually focus to develop those pieces and assets a team already have.

Patrik is certainly valuable asset also from rebuilding purposes, but that's because he is rare talent of very small group of comparable peers. With him comes also a risk, but the risk involved is at least someway 'foreseeable' unlike in cases of potential future development of player of pick number xx of 202X.

In a goal scoring game of hockey it is foreseeable that Patrik scores goals with very high efficiency, entertainment value. Goals, you know, are the immediate objective of the game. Actual goals, not potential or hypothetical ones.

I do not disagree per se, but there are no point to promote only narratives that lead to a mind set of perpetual rebuild, and never ending draft pick ballet. I personally find that not that entertaining.

 

[Habs10Habs]

I know the win was against Buffalo, but damn that was fun to watch. So many of our players stood out this game. I'm really impressed with how the boys stepped on the gas. Once the Sabres scored to make it 2-1.

Hell I'm bored and my wife said I have to be on my best behavior. So I may watch the game again.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Really? How many of us are prepared to go to our boss and say, I'm prepared to take 10% less in compensation to buy into our business' concept. If you know such a person please let me know and I will hire him/her tomorrow.

In today's world, no player in his prime is leaving mega millions of dollars on the table for any supposed team concept or any other reason for that matter.

Let's get real. We will have to pay Laine what his market value is. And not much less.

Lots of normal people don't leave where they put down roots for 10% more pay. I sure as heck wouldn't.

Plenty of NHLers have taken less than market value because they like the direction of the team.

Montreal also has the advantage of offering an 8 year contract to a 28 year old Laine where other teams can only offer 7. Thats almost a 15% cap advantage in itself.

 

[Bruce Granville]

He won't ask for 12.5, I have a feeling he will buy into our team concept and remain at his current cap hit of 8.7 million. He's the highest paid player on the team. 8 years @ 8.7 million

Sure…that‘s why he has an agent.

 

[llwyd]

I'm purely a Finnish homer and have warm feelings to your franchise mostly just because of Saku Koivu. Though Guy Lafleur was probably the first French name that registered in my distant childhood Laine is really so special, we don't abound in natural goal scorers and to my mind his outgoing and tempestuous (and quite un-Finnish) personality is very charming. He has had such an uneven career, so many injuries and dry periods, and who can tell, but god, he really is a special talent! You will undoubtedly be wise to wait and see, but I so hope that his troubles would now finally be behind him.

 

[teamfirst]

Really? How many of us are prepared to go to our boss and say, I'm prepared to take 10% less in compensation to buy into our business' concept. If you know such a person please let me know and I will hire him/her tomorrow.

In today's world, no player in his prime is leaving mega millions of dollars on the table for any supposed team concept or any other reason for that matter.

Let's get real. We will have to pay Laine what his market value is. And not much less.

And that would be the right thing to do IF he can get the rest of his game back, i mean PL is an elite goal scorer with size he matches that with very good stickhandling and vision.

We have the chance to wait and see if he can get to where he was in his first years in Winnipeg before offering him an extension, that's a good thing.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

that shot though? I had to rewind a couple of times to see his first shot, on the short side, go in. Wow. I think he had 3 goals on 5 shots + a post. Wow. Been a minute since we’ve witnessed a shot like that….here.

HuGo are gamblers, I’m sure they have a number & term that would work for them, now. However, we all know if a GM makes them an offer they can’t refuse at this TDL or next, they will seriously run their numbers by PL.

Laine has had a front seat to our miserable season and yet, he still seems genuinely happy and pleased to be part of what we’re building. He’s having fun & retrospective enough to identify areas of his game he can improve. That maybe our only way to keep him, if he sees future success and a comfortable/peaceful mindset in Mtl.

 

[CharleyHorse]

Yeah, we are dumb. So what?

Passionate fanbase, let’s say. It’s all part of the charm

 

[BB88]

One of the most important talents in professional sports is availability.

In his previous 8 seasons Laine has only played two full seasons. As players age their durability, and resulting availability, lessens.

Some here are also seemingly allergic to the concept of foreseeability.

You have to respect it, for what 20 years Montreal fans have been screaming them to find someone like Laine& what better way to enjoy it than start thinking about whether or not to re-sign him?

 

[Marioesque]

One of the most important talents in professional sports is availability.

In his previous 8 seasons Laine has only played two full seasons. As players age their durability, and resulting availability, lessens.

Some here are also seemingly allergic to the concept of foreseeability.

I'm more into concept of variance.
Laine has had lots of injuries, but they have been mainly different things each time, caused by hockey.
Some would say it's bad luck, but it's variance.

If he had a diagnosis of like osteoporosis or something making his bones weaker then I'd say "foreseeable" is the right word. But he doesn't, so this is variance. He could go the next 10 years without any major injuries, or he could get injured next game. The history doesn't help predicting that.

Maybe in the way that he is such a thorn on the side of other teams because of his shot, they take the frustration out on him. For example the time Rasmus Andersson concussed him on the last second of the game when losing. That's an NHL problem.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I'm in love with only one :
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Lane Laine

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

whenever i'm talking about stockholm syndrome being renamed as habs syndrome this is what i'm talking about

allergic to talent

In my case, it has nothing to do with being allergic to talent.

1- he needs to pick-up his play at 5-on-5. He's a liability right now outside the pp

2- more importantly, he needs to be willing to sign for not too high and not too long

3- he needs to stay healthy

Some people are calling him a superstar already, but it's all out of PP production (against mediocre teams) and being less than average at ES.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Really? How many of us are prepared to go to our boss and say, I'm prepared to take 10% less in compensation to buy into our business' concept. If you know such a person please let me know and I will hire him/her tomorrow.

In today's world, no player in his prime is leaving mega millions of dollars on the table for any supposed team concept or any other reason for that matter.

Let's get real. We will have to pay Laine what his market value is. And not much less.

If he's happy in Montreal and feels good here, he might also be happy to extend at his current cap hit. That keeps him being the highest paid player on the team by 825k more than Suzuki.

How many teams would actually be willing to pay more? How many teams have that kind of salary cap available? Out of those teams which ones would he be willing to play for? There's more at stake here for him than just some extra money. I seriously doubt he wants to be traded again.

 

[CHfan1]

Really? How many of us are prepared to go to our boss and say, I'm prepared to take 10% less in compensation to buy into our business' concept. If you know such a person please let me know and I will hire him/her tomorrow.

In today's world, no player in his prime is leaving mega millions of dollars on the table for any supposed team concept or any other reason for that matter.

Let's get real. We will have to pay Laine what his market value is. And not much less.

Good points but I’m not sure Laine would be willing to take 10% more to go to a new team after he, hopefully, found the right environment with Montreal after having difficulties with his past two teams.

I really think playing in the right environment is going to be a big factor for Laine’s next contract (more so than the $ figure (although that’s obviously important as well)).

I do agree with others it’s a bit too early to be discussing Laine’s next contract, but in saying that I’d be more concerned with term than AAV (I’d be looking at a 5-6 year contract).