No... Bergeron's contract wasn't signed based on him producing like this at age 37. He wasn't even producing like this when he signed it, and usual aging curves would have seen him decline in the latter parts of the contract.
Not true at all, and the instances where Leaf players do look worse in comparison to somebody else usually involve ignoring the obvious reasons why.
You're the one that tried comparing him to Bergeron for some reason, even though it really doesn't help your argument.
I really hope so. I never doubted his effort, but it needs to translate into better results on the ice.
Tavares hasn’t won anything. Bergeron virtually being nominated every year for the Selke and winning plus his cup. Plus he’s a proven leader, stands up for teammates and himself and highly regarded. Can play with anyone also. If you swap contracts there wouldn’t be much complaining from Boston fans considering how much he brings to the table.
Tavares is also many of those things (proven leader, highly regarded, stands up for teammates, etc.), and most of the things you said are irrelevant to his contract. Tavares was unquestionably worth more when he became UFA. If Bergeron's UFA contract as a ~60 point player was the equivalent of 11m, there would be a lot of complaining from Boston fans, and even more so if the cap stagnated right after he signed it.
Don't remember anybody saying that, though offensive production is obviously the primary driving factor behind forward contracts.
What a weird question. Just because offensive production is a driving factor in contracts for the position looking to produce offense, that doesn't mean it's a driving factor for a position that has nothing to do with that.
Tavares doesn’t stand up for teammates he continually gets punched in the face with no push back. Proven leader leads a team to success he hasn’t had success at any level where he’s been the leader. Bergeron is in a different class in many things. Tavares gets him on points that’s it.
Just because Tavares doesn't come in with his arms flailing uncontrollably, that doesn't mean he doesn't stand up for his teammates. Tavares has a lot of respect in that room and around the league. There's more to winning than having good leadership. Tavares has Bergeron beat on quite a few things, and he was unquestionably worth a bigger contract when each signed their respective UFA contracts.
Remember who’s talked about the few seasons when it comes to standing up for teammates. Speeza and Simmonds. Speeza is the only guy maybe outside of Rielly that has shown that leadership. If you don’t have good leaders to help the team get to where it has to go you don’t win.
I believe bergeron had already won a selke as well when he signed that deal with multiple top finishes on voting
There's more to winning than leadership, and there's more to leadership and standing up for your teammates than just fighting people. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Tavares is a bad leader, and all of this is rather irrelevant to their contracts anyway.
Head to head no one is taking Tavares over Bergeron. When you factor in contracts it tips the scale even further.
What people aren’t remembering about that era of Bruins was all of them took discounts to try and win. When Chara was captain, that was a big issue for him. Making sure everyone was pulling the line together, and that meant taking discounts to keep the crew together.
No they didn't. They just weren't worth more when they signed. People often confuse the two.
Exactly right.
Yea, they did. Chara went from 17-18%CH to 11%, Berg went from 10.5% to 8%, all of this in 2011. So how didn’t they take discounts?
That's not taking discounts. That's just being worth different amounts at different times and ages. In Chara's case, a contract through ages 29-34 is obviously going to be more than a contract through ages 34-41. The first Bergeron contract you're referring to was signed as a young, improving player coming off a promising 73 point season, and the 2nd contract you're referring to was signed after multiple concussions that threatened his career, and after falling off to a 50-55 point forward. And Bergeron soon went back up to 10%+.
Do you believe his big deal after winning the selke was so low because boston wouldnt pay with the health risk and bergeron made a mistake signing for so many years while trying to get said health back on track
