A difference of perspective: How Europeans value Olympic medals

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Did you just compare football to hockey? That's an immediate fail. :shakehead

answered someone who compared it above. Otherwise, I would not bring it in at all. :shakehead But since I've seen the bronze games in the FIFA WC for a lot of years, I just wanted to show that they do care about bronze there
It's kinda funny that he mention Spain though. They've only won the WC once and have no history of winning the WC before that
 
I am pretty sure That if you play for your country you will not give up and if they do then they have nothing to do on a national team. You don't play for yourself you play for your Country and I am pretty sure USA as a whole would rather have the Bronze instead of nothing.
 
Does anyone find it curious that since 1994 Finland are 1-4 in SF games and 4-0 in Bronze games?

We really are pretty serious about the Top-3 spot. ;)

Some people love to be 1st, Finns hate to be 4th.
 
Anyway, I would totally understand if Team Canada under performed in a Bronze medal game, it is just not important to us.

I don't think that Canadian players regard it as unimportant at all. Whenever Canada loses a semi the players invariably say that they have to regroup and get up for the bronze game. Nor do I think the players give less than their best effort to do so. The problem is that the inbred expectation, both amongst them and amongst the fans, is to win gold or at least play for the gold. On any occasion when they are "knocked out" in the semi (and they do tend to regard it has having been knocked out of the tournament at that point), they are simply unable to mentally get up for the bronze game, try as they might, and their performance lacks the intensity required to win at this level. I think that is a huge failing of the Canadian mindset and programme, and one that ought to be addressed in a formal way as part of the programme. I am disappointed when a Canadian team fails to compete in any game and have the necessary mental fire to do what it takes to win, and our dismal record in bronze medal games makes us look arrogant and spoiled. All one has to do is to look at the dismal performance of the US team in the bronze medal match against Finland; I am embarrassed for the Americans and I am sure they are ashamed of their performance, and should be. All I have to do is to look at the jubilation of individual Canadian athletes at winning bronze in these Olympics, from Denny Morrison to Charle Cournoyer to Mark McMorris, and the agony of defeat for those who finished fourth, to know how important winning a medal is to Canadian athletes in general and how much out of sync the hockey players are.
 
Does anyone find it curious that since 1994 Finland are 1-4 in SF games and 4-0 in Bronze games?
In hockey the bronze medal means very little to me and I think most players over here feel the same.
It's always funny when some coach potatoes speculate how they're sure that they know that players care about bronze game as little as they. The players actually get the Olympic medals, not you. "Didn't care" card is one the most famous and pathetic excuses when team with weaker material wins.

Maybe Finns just didn't care about SF game because they're honest and knew that Canadians get mad if they get gold with that material, and decided to be humble and take the bronze with less ranking points. I also heard that getting beaten by Canadians in group stage was so devastating that they didn't bother to show up anymore. Gold is also so shiny that some players are getting migraines, so bronze is better. Finnish players also hate silver (2006). It's easy to come up with nice excuses, isn't it?
 
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I don't think that Canadian players regard it as unimportant at all. Whenever Canada loses a semi the players invariably say that they have to regroup and get up for the bronze game. Nor do I think the players give less than their best effort to do so. The problem is that the inbred expectation, both amongst them and amongst the fans, is to win gold or at least play for the gold. On any occasion when they are "knocked out" in the semi (and they do tend to regard it has having been knocked out of the tournament at that point), they are simply unable to mentally get up for the bronze game, try as they might, and their performance lacks the intensity required to win at this level. I think that is a huge failing of the Canadian mindset and programme, and one that ought to be addressed in a formal way as part of the programme. I am disappointed when a Canadian team fails to compete in any game and have the necessary mental fire to do what it takes to win, and our dismal record in bronze medal games makes us look arrogant and spoiled. All one has to do is to look at the dismal performance of the US team in the bronze medal match against Finland; I am embarrassed for the Americans and I am sure they are ashamed of their performance, and should be. All I have to do is to look at the jubilation of individual Canadian athletes at winning bronze in these Olympics, from Denny Morrison to Charle Cournoyer to Mark McMorris, and the agony of defeat for those who finished fourth, to know how important winning a medal is to Canadian athletes in general and how much out of sync the hockey players are.

You sir, :handclap: :nod: Spot on
 
So...what would you choose? 3rd or 4th? 3rd or 5/6th? Getting your team eliminated in the Conference final or not even make the playoffs?

I would rather have the bronze but only because I could sell it to a Finn on Ebay. I would not be proud to display a bronze medal from mens hockey in Canada.
 
I find it scary that some Canadians think this way. Would you say that in front of all the Canadian athletes who were ecstatic to win bronze? It has nothing to do with overt nationalism, it's about always doing your best. How can you respect anyone who doesn't do his/her best?

I am only talking about hockey. I'm happy for all the other Canadians that win medals but to be honest there aren't really any other winter olympic sports that I care about or follow.
 
I would rather have the bronze but only because I could sell it to a Finn on Ebay. I would not be proud to display a bronze medal from mens hockey in Canada.

How do you know if you have never won any? I take Teemu's pep pre-game talk to the team about the Olympic medals, which so few will ever have a chance to ever win on their careers over your load of crap any day and twice on Saturday.
 
I would rather have the bronze but only because I could sell it to a Finn on Ebay. I would not be proud to display a bronze medal from mens hockey in Canada.

I, I, I, but what about the professional hockey players that play for team Canada? I, I, I.
 
I don't think that Canadian players regard it as unimportant at all. Whenever Canada loses a semi the players invariably say that they have to regroup and get up for the bronze game. Nor do I think the players give less than their best effort to do so. The problem is that the inbred expectation, both amongst them and amongst the fans, is to win gold or at least play for the gold. On any occasion when they are "knocked out" in the semi (and they do tend to regard it has having been knocked out of the tournament at that point), they are simply unable to mentally get up for the bronze game, try as they might, and their performance lacks the intensity required to win at this level. I think that is a huge failing of the Canadian mindset and programme, and one that ought to be addressed in a formal way as part of the programme. I am disappointed when a Canadian team fails to compete in any game and have the necessary mental fire to do what it takes to win, and our dismal record in bronze medal games makes us look arrogant and spoiled. All one has to do is to look at the dismal performance of the US team in the bronze medal match against Finland; I am embarrassed for the Americans and I am sure they are ashamed of their performance, and should be. All I have to do is to look at the jubilation of individual Canadian athletes at winning bronze in these Olympics, from Denny Morrison to Charle Cournoyer to Mark McMorris, and the agony of defeat for those who finished fourth, to know how important winning a medal is to Canadian athletes in general and how much out of sync the hockey players are.

I agree in terms of hockey. I never said that Canadian players want to lose a bronze medal game or that they wouldn't prefer to win. They just don't care enough to win to put the effort in that is required for them to do it.
 
How do you know if you have never won any? I take Teemu's pep pre-game talk to the team about the Olympic medals, which so few will ever have a chance to ever win on their careers over your load of crap any day and twice on Saturday.

And I'm pretty sure I understand how Canadian hockey players think better than you do.
 
I understand that NA people see SC as the ultimate prize in ice hockey. For Europeans it's just the trophy of NHL, where any team can win. Actually it's more difficult to win the league in many clubs in European leagues, because the teams are not equalized (no draft, no salary cap, no trading of players etc).

To me that makes it much easier to win. Just join one of the dominant teams and you are likely to win. In the NHL it is more random.
 
answered someone who compared it above. Otherwise, I would not bring it in at all. :shakehead But since I've seen the bronze games in the FIFA WC for a lot of years, I just wanted to show that they do care about bronze there
It's kinda funny that he mention Spain though. They've only won the WC once and have no history of winning the WC before that

So?

Are they not expected to contend for the title every 4 years?

My point is people will not celebrate a bronze like they would a gold, if they are expected to win gold. It's really not an outlandish statement.
 
In all seriousness I would like someone to give me reasonable explanation why in the last six Olympics the Finns have only won 1 out of 5 semi-final games, yet are undefeated (4-0) in the bronze game.
 
I am only talking about hockey. I'm happy for all the other Canadians that win medals but to be honest there aren't really any other winter olympic sports that I care about or follow.

Why would a Finn want a medal they did not play for? Now you're just acting up because you know the answer to my question. Even if a bronze feel Disappointment ( I totally get that ) over a bronze, a pro athlete would take that over a 4th, 5th, 6th Place 10 out of 10 times.
 
Olympic medals of any color are considered hugely important everywhere, including North America...if we are talking about any sport with any kind of global importance.

Hockey is not a sport of global importance so here you will have a percentage of NA fans not valuing other medals than gold. Not so in Europe and it seems that not so also among the great majority of NA players. On the last bit I am going by what I've read from player's comments in the media through the years.
 
So?

Are they not expected to contend for the title every 4 years?

My point is people will not celebrate a bronze like they would a gold, if they are expected to win gold. It's really not an outlandish statement.

Not until just recently. They have never been up there until 6 years ago.

Nobody celebrated the bronze like a gold btw. Tears from Timonen, Selänne and Salo was because they made their last game in the Lion Jersey. Neither bronze or silver had any major celebrating effect in Stockholm or Helsinki.
 
In all seriousness I would like someone to give me reasonable explanation why in the last six Olympics the Finns have only won 1 out of 5 semi-final games, yet are undefeated (4-0) in the bronze game.

Because the opposing team scored more goals in the semifinal.

In Sochi, Finland failed to capitalize on the lucrative power play opportunities in the first period to shift the pressure to Sweden. In Vancouver, USA steamrolled over Finland in 6 minutes and the team never recovered from that. In Nagano, Finland got victimized by defensive lapses on the point and Pavel Bure single-handedly took all the advantage. (Finland didn't play in the semifinals in Salt Lake City.)

About bronze matches, Finland won them because they scored more goals in the bronze match than the opposing team.

I don't buy a single suggestion of yours for any team not willing to win a match rather than lose it.
 

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