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Value of: A 2nd line center to Montreal.

Reinbacher is not available because of organisational needs.
But I wouldn't be agaisn't including Hage as a more quality centerpiece myself to land a good 2C now.
 
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Chose said:
You can say that alright, but you can't say that Habs fans are convinced they would get a Barzal or Horvat with Newhook value...
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Quite a few of trades proposed have shown otherwise. Same with the Hayton thread. Teams want more than just futures for players and a younger 28 or under top 6 center is borderline impossible to get without a significant overpayment in terms of quality. Even the deal the Isles traded for Horvat is better than a 1st plus Mailloux. With that 1st + B tier prospect, you’re looking at a trade deadline middle six veteran type of pickup.
 
miscs75 said:
Quite a few of trades proposed have shown otherwise. Same with the Hayton thread. Teams want more than just futures for players and a younger 28 or under top 6 center is borderline impossible to get without a significant overpayment in terms of quality. Even the deal the Isles traded for Horvat is better than a 1st plus Mailloux. With that 1st + B tier prospect, you’re looking at a trade deadline middle six veteran type of pickup.
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The bolded is true. If you don't like the offer, or if it doesn't suit your goals as a team, you can refuse it saying things like that.
But insulting a fanbase because of a few or even a lot of offers from uninformed fans does not look very good.

I never made an offer in this thread, but I thought you were hard on the offers that were made by calling the assets "bottom of the lineup feeders" instead of simply saying it doesn't suit what you are looking for.
 
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Chose said:
The bolded is true. If you don't like the offer, or if it doesn't suit your goals as a team, you can refuse it saying things like that.
But insulting a fanbase because of a few or even a lot of offers from uninformed fans does not look very good.

I never made an offer in this thread, but I thought you were hard on the offers that were made by calling the assets "bottom of the lineup feeders" instead of simply saying it doesn't suit what you are looking for.
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It gets to the point where these offers are just like beating a dead horse. You’re asking about guys who are major core pieces from teams and trying to offer odds and ends in hopes a team thinks a pick and one of your prospects will be well beyond what anyone could muster up. A Canucks fan thought Garland, Raty, 2nd and 4th is a fair offer for the Islanders for Horvat now that they need a 2C again. I’d even go as far as saying Anaheim isn’t even trading MacT for Reinbacher and a 1st. They need to add to the core, not go into another rebuild for the future.
 
miscs75 said:
It gets to the point where these offers are just like beating a dead horse. You’re asking about guys who are major core pieces from teams and trying to offer odds and ends in hopes a team thinks a pick and one of your prospects will be well beyond what anyone could muster up. A Canucks fan thought Garland, Raty, 2nd and 4th is a fair offer for the Islanders for Horvat now that they need a 2C again. I’d even go as far as saying Anaheim isn’t even trading MacT for Reinbacher and a 1st. They need to add to the core, not go into another rebuild for the future.
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The bolded is probably true for Anaheim.
A lot of people would argue otherwise for the Isles...
But then there is Lou !

I am not losing sleep on this, don't worry.
 
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Chose said:
The bolded is probably true for Anaheim.
A lot of people would argue otherwise for the Isles...
But then there is Lou !

I am not losing sleep on this, don't worry.
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The Isles need a retool over a 10 year rebuild. Move out the veteran pieces and just see what’s in the system for a year or two. They’re the type of team that will be well below everyone else and still not get the top pick in the upcoming draft.
 
Random Comment said:
I’d send a 1st lotto protected and Reinbacher for Mason McTavish.
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Of course you would, but why would the Ducks do that?

Random Comment said:
Suzuki and him would be a good 1-2 punch.
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I think Anaheim's figuring Carlsson and McTavish is going to be an even better 1-2 punch within a few years. With both hovering around a point per game the last few months, it might even be sooner than that.
 
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That's gonna be a few fun years while the Habs develop into contenders and that trend of "retooling" grows with the success of Dallas & Washington. I don't think it is as easy as it sounds. You need some serious luck there too, if not more.
 
I think the Habs look to sign a 2 x year veteran stopgap. They have Hage developing and will likely draft C's with the 1st round picks. There is still a small chance Dach comes around but his injuries have really derailed him.

Next offseason or the offseason after - we will see what they have internally and/or trade or sign a UFA in 2 years.
 
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glenbuis2 said:
i think the best 2 yr stop gap is teravainen . underlying numbers in chicago weren’t good but it’s chicago . prior to that in carolina they were fantastic . 2 yrs left . a little over 5 million . finnish so connection with laine maybe . wouldn’t cost a fortune . maybe newhook , a second plus a prospect ( farrell ) . recoup assets in year two if it’s not a fit .
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Hawks aren’t moving Teuvo. Also he is not a center. Pure wing. As far as the offer wise that wouldn’t peak their interest.
 
Junohockeyfan said:
I think the Habs look to sign a 2 x year veteran stopgap. They have Hage developing and will likely draft C's with the 1st round picks. There is still a small chance Dach comes around but his injuries have really derailed him.

Next offseason or the offseason after - we will see what they have internally and/or trade or sign a UFA in 2 years.
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That's what I think too. That's why I said that Duchesnes for 2 years was probably the most likely.
Then you have Hage coming in two years.
Draft + Trade up if possible with 14-16-34 to keep quality in the pipeline

I still dream that Dach comes back as a winger
 
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Chose said:
That's what I think too. That's why I said that Duchesnes for 2 years was probably the most likely.
Then you have Hage coming in two years.
Draft + Trade up if possible with 14-16-32 to keep quality in the pipeline

I still dream that Dach comes back as a winger
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I think with the Habs about to make the playoffs, people are escalating/ expediting the rebuild. Habs need to exercise patience and not make an unforced error (like trade for a washed Zib).
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Habs probably put these pieces on the table..

1st rounders and other picks
Dach, Matheson (even the cap in/out)
One of Struble or Xhekaj
Prospect like Roy, Beck, Kapanen, Engstrom

Habs search for a 2C should be a stop gap. Someone for 2 or 3 years. Hage looks good. He might be the guy!

Just sign Duchene for 2 years. We can offer him a high AAV for 2 years
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Just sign Kuznetsov for a stop gap. Was playing C for Demidov and can help him adjust. Dirt cheap and free .
 
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miscs75 said:
Once again, if I’m moving Barzal/Horvat, a 1st (in a weak draft) and defensive prospect realistically doesn’t benefit the Isles in the near future. Mailloux doesn’t fill the offensive void they’re leaving by losing Barzal, he basically replaces Mike Reilly on the bottom pairing with the hope he might be able to move up in the lineup. Both Barzal and Horvat will return a better package than a 1st and B tier prospect.
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Barzal will commend more .I don't want Horvat's contract. It's the killer.
 
ole ole said:
Barzal will commend more .I don't want Horvat's contract. It's the killer.
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I want Horvat, not sure about Barzal and the fit

Horvat is the perfect type of center for a second line and to play with Demidov and Laine, he's also locked for a while at a good deal.

I'd give up our two firsts and any prospect/talent the Isles want from (Mailloux, Arber Xhekaj, Joshua Roy, Beck, Kapanen or Engstrom
 
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