Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[lhsgolf19]

Haha

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Goal got credited to Snively, he got a piece as the puck dipped down when it passed him

 

[izlez]

They changed it to Snively?

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

They changed it to Snively?

Did we not see the clip that showed him tipping it and celebrating like he tipped it?

 

[TheOctopusKid]

The benefit of taking a player like Danielson/Kasper, is that their floors are high because they are not a Shane Wright-style prospect: their value is greater than their ability to score. We drafted high character, high IQ, tenacious two way centers who “play the right way”. Even if he doesn’t generate a single point himself, he does so many other things right he’s able to stay relevant and competitive, and bring value to the team.

I am not as familiar or as invested in Danielson as I was with Kasper but my understanding is Danielson is pretty similar in comp if not a bit more offensively gifted and a bit more face forward to the net generator and facilitator. What stands out again is his compete, IQ, and defensive commitment.

They guy is will be fine if he brings that attitude and his size and skating to bear. THAT always translates and when he figures out his offensive game, his lines, what he needs to do, that’s when he decides if he’s a 2C or a 3C. Be patient with him as well and stop overreacting. There’s value in a Jordan Staal 3C as much as their is in a Larkin 2.0

 

[SantosHalper]

Quite likely unless he really flips the switch well before the Calder playoffs and has a camp too good to not keep him up. SY will like have a spot or two open for GR grads next year.

One spot for Cossa but second one, probably depends on UFA-market haul and what Kane does.

 

[lilidk]

3C ceiling.

should have drafted for more high end skill

Exactly

 

[SirloinUB]

It is crazy to me that people question Danielson's upside. He might not get there but he has a sky high ceiling.

I guess some people hear "two way player" and assume it means low upside.

 

[Oddbob]

This has been discussed quite a bit, and it’s very common for the AHL affiliate to run a similar or the same system as the NHL team. They often do this because it makes it easier for call ups to transition.

I legit don't think teams force an already in place coach to switch his systems to adjust to a new NHL coach, that makes zero sense, and literally means Watson should have been replaced with a Todd like system. Maybe they hire a similar system coach if they are changing coaches, but they aren't going to any coach and saying time for you to change your system mid season because we have a new parent team coach. There would literally be no point in hiring new AHL coaches, if they just want an identical NHL system, they would just send any Wing assistant down there to be the new coach.

 

[lilidk]

It is crazy to me that people question Danielson's upside. He might not get there but he has a sky high ceiling.

I guess some people hear "two way player" and assume it means low upside.

I will be very happy if he becomes something like Filppula.
It was big mistake not to extend him

 

[norrisnick]

It is crazy to me that people question Danielson's upside. He might not get there but he has a sky high ceiling.

I guess some people hear "two way player" and assume it means low upside.

You guys wanna see me mucking in the corners or you wanna see me sock a few dingers?

 

[Oddbob]

Like clockwork… Trolls are pi**ed lol

People frustrated with his low offence aren't all trolls or out to lunch. Most of us want him to do well, with a few trolls in there.

 

[Realgud]

Just imo but I think Danielson is being wildly underrated. He has all the tools and the toolbox to make it work. He's just not the kind of person to push the play in relation to the current quality of competition. That could be a confidence thing that could come with time or he's just someone similar to Raymond where many people doubted his abilities because of stats watching but watching them play you can see their abilities and the maturity in their game that gives them a lot of upside in addition to the pro level understanding of the game they already have.

 

[19 for president]

I still see a guy who plays a more traditional playmaking center role. I think he has a decent shot but like with a lot of playmakers it takes time and coaching pressure before they will use it. Assist guys need skilled wingers to really produce a bunch of points and right now GR is lacking. Ammo is out, Mazur just got back, and Soderblom got called up. Our AHL vets lean more grinder/ dirty goal types than skill (minus maybe Dries). He also isn't ever going to cheat for offense. Gaining some confidence offensively will be huge for him, much like it has been for Kasper this year.

He is at the same point pace as Kasper last year. Not all players develop at the same pace. I still see a lot to like with him as a player, and I would not be surprised if he ends up with the Wings for a good majority of next year.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

One half season in a pro league, and some are already ready to sell him off. His point production isn't all that bad either, just a low goal count.

You get Tyler Seguin for Loui Erkisson trades doing that stuff. Let it play out a little longer fellas.

 

[RedHawkDown]

It is crazy to me that people question Danielson's upside. He might not get there but he has a sky high ceiling.

I guess some people hear "two way player" and assume it means low upside.

It’s crazy to you that people are questioning a 20 year old top 10 pick in the AHL, one of the oldest in the draft class, who is putting up sub 0.5PPG numbers while playing top minutes including Pp time? And being out produced big time by many players taken after him, including the one right after?

Again, not saying he’s a bust or any of the sort. But I am legitimately baffled at some of the takes on here. It’s the least crazy thing to be questioning Danielsons development. The same people here were calling Dvorsky a bust when he put up 0 pts in the SHL in his D+1…

 

[schuelma24]

It’s crazy to you that people are questioning a 20 year old top 10 pick in the AHL, one of the oldest in the draft class, who is putting up sub 0.5PPG numbers while playing top minutes including Pp time? And being out produced big time by many players taken after him, including the one right after?

Again, not saying he’s a bust or any of the sort. But I am legitimately baffled at some of the takes on here. It’s the least crazy thing to be questioning Danielsons development. The same people here were calling Dvorsky a bust when he put up 0 pts in the SHL in his D+1…

Well, technically he's just above a half PPG right now, and yes, I do think some of this is overstated. GR can't score on the PP and this last stretch is barely scoring at all. I'd like to see him producing more ... well, scoring more, absolutely. But it is completely factual that GR is not a high powered team offensively. And it's also completely factual that he's basically replicating Kasper's 2023-2024.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I think the people who watch Danielson and the people who value centers, tend to like him. People who don't watch him tend not to share this enthusiasm. People are also always anxious to slap a sell-by date on prospects so that they can quickly plant a flag and declare victory for the horse or horses they were backing on draft day. You will recall Kasper received a lot of bearish sentiment this time last year in much the same manner.

 

[lilidk]

Red Wings need evaluate him, by bring him up, put on the same line with Kane or Berggren and someone who plays physical game.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Just imo but I think Danielson is being wildly underrated. He has all the tools and the toolbox to make it work. He's just not the kind of person to push the play in relation to the current quality of competition. That could be a confidence thing that could come with time or he's just someone similar to Raymond where many people doubted his abilities because of stats watching but watching them play you can see their abilities and the maturity in their game that gives them a lot of upside in addition to the pro level understanding of the game they already have.

Man, nobody said anything of the sort with Raymond, and if they did, they’re insane. Raymond put up a better PPG in the SHL at the age Danielson was in the OHL, and by Danielsons actual age he had put up 57 pts in the NHL. THere’s nothing similar about these two.

Well, technically he's just above a half PPG right now, and yes, I do think some of this is overstated. GR can't score on the PP and this last stretch is barely scoring at all. I'd like to see him producing more ... well, scoring more, absolutely. But it is completely factual that GR is not a high powered team offensively. And it's also completely factual that he's basically replicating Kasper's 2023-2024.

He’s part of the reason GR is a bad team offensively.

Hes not replicating Kaspers season. Kasper absolutely took off the 2nd half. Danielson has gotten much worse production wise in the last 20 games.

 

[schuelma24]

He’s part of the reason GR is a bad team offensively.

Hes not replicating Kaspers season. Kasper absolutely took off the 2nd half. Danielson has gotten much worse production wise in the last 20 games.

So because his rough stretch was in January and not November, Danielson is trending worse than Marco?

I'll say it again and you can call it an excuse if you want - Marco was in a healthier situation the second half of last year. He wasn't getting all the toughest minutes, scoring was more spread out, and he had Mazur and Burger as his linemates.

Again.. he needs to score more. Absolutely. But I'd recommend watching a few Griffins games - he absolutely stands out and I maintain part of the problem is his linemates.

 

[rbartnik]

Man, nobody said anything of the sort with Raymond, and if they did, they’re insane. Raymond put up a better PPG in the SHL at the age Danielson was in the OHL, and by Danielsons actual age he had put up 57 pts in the NHL. THere’s nothing similar about these two.

Maybe in J20s, but not in the SHL.

 

[SirloinUB]

It’s crazy to you that people are questioning a 20 year old top 10 pick in the AHL, one of the oldest in the draft class, who is putting up sub 0.5PPG numbers while playing top minutes including Pp time? And being out produced big time by many players taken after him, including the one right after?

Again, not saying he’s a bust or any of the sort. But I am legitimately baffled at some of the takes on here. It’s the least crazy thing to be questioning Danielsons development. The same people here were calling Dvorsky a bust when he put up 0 pts in the SHL in his D+1…

Well for clarity, I said question his upside. Again, tbd whether he reaches it but the upside is huge imo. If you actually watch him play it's clear he has loads of skill and projects well as an NHL player. Half point per game while holding down a top 6 center spot is very good for a 20 year old in the AHL. The dude is a +2 despite the "disappointing numbers."

Marco Kasper: 0.49 points/game in his first full year in the AHL
Nate Danielson: 0.51 points/game in his first year in the AHL

Kasper is now holding down a spot on our first line and Danielson apparently "lacks upside". It's also really interesting to me that you bring up Dvorsky.. Isn't the lesson there to be patient and let these kids develop?

Shit, a little over a year ago there was calls for Nate to make the Red Wings out of training camp in his D + 1 year.


So ya. It is crazy to me to question his upside. It strikes me as stat watching. Development isn't linear but this kid has a sky high ceiling

 

[lilidk]

With exception of Raymond and ASP, Red Wings , under Yzerman , been taking guys with highest floor in the first round.
We only know that Danielson going to be NHL player at this moment so does MBN, we will see