lilidk
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Our second best prospect don't need to add anything,
, fully NHL readyProspect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson
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Gniwder
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At 19YO, he just got done growing, he's listed an inch taller than pre-draft. Meals are provided by billet families in the CHL, I'm sure they'll bulk him up in GR.
CHL teams' facilities/resources and demanding CHL schedule, especially in WHL, make it a much bigger training challenge during the season for players than those at elite NCAA programs. Nate actually looks scrawny at this point. It would be good for him to make an early move to Detroit and spend the entire off-season getting ready for camp. He shouldn't have much trouble adding the strength he needs to best play the type of game he has.
Gniwder
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Some college players actually take academics seriously... and even those that don't still have to attend classes and meet minimum grade requirements. Required classes like math/English tend to be time consuming. I remember I had to help my neighbors out a few times with math in college. I'm sure that coursework factors into some kids leaving college and going pro.
Sure, all that's true. Not suggesting NCAA players are only there for hookey or that academics don't take up a lot of time. Or that Portland Winterhawks, for example don't have good training facilities or excellent billets. But between the extra number of games played and much more demanding travel, as well as most U19 CHL players and many older than that either attending school or taking courses by remote or even part-time at local universities, NCAA players have much more time and opportunity to put into training, and at most top NCAA schools, world-class facilities to do it in. And not many NCAA elite guys with pro careers ahead of them are being traded from U. Michigan to Denver halfway through the season lol and have to adapt to all the new things that come with it.
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You can say Kasper is overhyped if you want, but his ability to carry the puck is one of his better traits. If you watch him in Grand Rapids you'll see how great he is at zone entries
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i just don't see Kasper as over hyped, or even hyped. Not to be a contrarian for its own sake, I actually see more posts panning the guy while labeling him as a Tyler Bert type with less offensive skill. That or a Draper type with more edge, and the same hands.
Nate: I have hosted and my son been hosted as a billet. Very tough to put weight on these kids. Look back at your 16-18 year of age photos. Not many had extra pounds. We'd eat and eat but we burned that off with activities. These kids do all of that, plus burn off which amounts to 500-700 calories per hour of a game and likely more in a practice. You can pour 5000 calories down their throat with pizza or protein drink, carbs or lard and the busy little bastards just burn it off. LOL
More to the point of Nate. He'll never be big. He will add leg strength ala Larkin. In fact, I see him as much the same type player. Yet, I also see him on the Wings roster next season, so what the heck do I know.
Nate: I have hosted and my son been hosted as a billet. Very tough to put weight on these kids. Look back at your 16-18 year of age photos. Not many had extra pounds. We'd eat and eat but we burned that off with activities. These kids do all of that, plus burn off which amounts to 500-700 calories per hour of a game and likely more in a practice. You can pour 5000 calories down their throat with pizza or protein drink, carbs or lard and the busy little bastards just burn it off. LOL
More to the point of Nate. He'll never be big. He will add leg strength ala Larkin. In fact, I see him as much the same type player. Yet, I also see him on the Wings roster next season, so what the heck do I know.
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it's wild to me how one slow start to a season dealing with both being a AHL/NA in general rookie and an injury over the offseason is enough for me to be higher on Kasper's upside than most of this forum
i'm not someone that even wanted to draft the guy and wanted to go after someone less safe
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Many of the Kasper detractors haven't watched him actually play, or are looking at AHL stats and thinking his totals are low without considering the context.
AHL is way lower scoring than the NHL. His point totals as a rookie starting out on the 3rd/4th line while coming back from an injury then playing his way up to the 1st/2nd line give me hope that there's even more to his game. He probably needs another year in the AHL but that's OK. Let him cook.
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So enough talk about Kasper in the Danielson thread… how has he looked?
NickH8
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Clearly adjusting to a new system and playing against men. Hasn't looked bad though. It's not like he's starting with regular season AHL. While it's not the NHL playoff hockey is playoff hockey.
Bultman had an article today and he talked to Watson who confirmed that Nate literally hasn't practiced with the team - he learned the "systems" by videotape. He pretty clearly is just trying to not **** up right now and is doing a pretty solid job. Would imagine he'll get more and more comfortable (although their season could end tonight).
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Yup. I noticed some little stuff like not covering for a dman pinching and they threw the puck where they thought Danielson would be and he wasn't there. Obviously that player should look where they pass but you can tell he's ironing out the details.
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Makes sense. Elimination game, they need to play tighter hockey. They have good options who know the system.
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Our biggest need currently is to add better transition players and defencemen who can feed the puck for them.
Danielson will be the key add to future success, and Edvinsson too. Larkin is already there, Seider etc. We just need this kind of players for three lines.
That will change everything totally, when we will have again guys like Dats, Filppula or Helm, who always did fly easily on the offensive zone. More you play at offensive zone, good things will happen.
Danielson will be the key add to future success, and Edvinsson too. Larkin is already there, Seider etc. We just need this kind of players for three lines.
That will change everything totally, when we will have again guys like Dats, Filppula or Helm, who always did fly easily on the offensive zone. More you play at offensive zone, good things will happen.
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Henkka
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I think I'm gonna start to love those killer assists too much.
Very much of "dylan larkin highlights" but a little bit of better passing for quality chances.
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i mean he's picking corners from tight spaces like larkin does. Ive been saying it since we drafted him that we just picked a larkin clone and I still just don't hate that. Having two larkin's on this team would be phenomenal.
some of those goals, the goalie was out of position, but he was still needing to pick corners on the shot.
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What a montage. Been waiting for this one since his season ended! HSDProspects is the real MVP
Western Canada and in particular the WHL has been consistently cranking out excellent talent for about 5 years straight now. 2023 was a deep draft and he slipped through the scouting cracks because he was raw, on a bad team that missed that playoffs, and a late birthday. Late riser but in a good way for us
IMO the type of Center you win championships with. Speed + quickness, creative heads-up offense on the rush/boards/middle ice, and super high effort in every zone. Very, very cerebral and can adjust to virtually any pace. Not afraid use his NHL shot too
He took his weaknesses and actually made proper strides especially as the season went deep into the playoffs. That's all you can ask for in a D+1 honestly
There is still room to grow obviously, but he is going to be a beloved player down the middle for this franchise for many, many years. Count on it!
Western Canada and in particular the WHL has been consistently cranking out excellent talent for about 5 years straight now. 2023 was a deep draft and he slipped through the scouting cracks because he was raw, on a bad team that missed that playoffs, and a late birthday. Late riser but in a good way for us
IMO the type of Center you win championships with. Speed + quickness, creative heads-up offense on the rush/boards/middle ice, and super high effort in every zone. Very, very cerebral and can adjust to virtually any pace. Not afraid use his NHL shot too
He took his weaknesses and actually made proper strides especially as the season went deep into the playoffs. That's all you can ask for in a D+1 honestly
There is still room to grow obviously, but he is going to be a beloved player down the middle for this franchise for many, many years. Count on it!
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It's a highlights package, obviously there are going to be some great goals in there. You need a shift-by-shift to get a fuller picture and with Nate a shift-by-shift only makes him look better because of how well he plays without the puck. He's not a sniper, he's a facilitator and distributor, unselfish. always willing do heavy lifting particularly with d-awareness and utilizing his puck transporting ability.
He's not a great shooter, despite the quality of shots you see in highlights. It's not a highlight package of goals not-scored. He doesn't take a lot of shots, for starters. His shooting pct last season was pedestrian (about 11 %), a little lower than the previous season with Brandon. There's some mustard on his shots but the relatively low shot total for a primetime WHL player is indicative of his pass-first nature and a lot of shots missing the net, something which was apparent in their playoff run.
No doubt he's going to be a good NHL player, really useful at the very least. I think we need to wait to see how much offense he actually brings. His defensive ability though is off the charts good.
He's not a great shooter, despite the quality of shots you see in highlights. It's not a highlight package of goals not-scored. He doesn't take a lot of shots, for starters. His shooting pct last season was pedestrian (about 11 %), a little lower than the previous season with Brandon. There's some mustard on his shots but the relatively low shot total for a primetime WHL player is indicative of his pass-first nature and a lot of shots missing the net, something which was apparent in their playoff run.
No doubt he's going to be a good NHL player, really useful at the very least. I think we need to wait to see how much offense he actually brings. His defensive ability though is off the charts good.
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I really do think he has the makings of a true 2 way center in a Larkin mold. Larkin's + strengths being skating and shooting where Danielson's is playmaking and defensive awareness. Larkin spent a lot of time learning how to utilize teammates to open up lanes to the net for himself. Danielson is going to have to learn to be a bit more selfish and go for the high percentage shots even if it seems like that perfect pass is available. Ray is going through this development now. Playmakers that ascend from being a good 2nd/3rd line tweener to a true top line guy have to develop that belief that in the crucial moment they want the puck on their stick. They have to realize that in the NHL your passing lanes only truly open if they know that you are a threat yourself. Even a guy as supremely talented as Pavel Datsyuk didn't take that next step until he started shooting more.
I'm excited for the Wings to have a true playmaking center again. We haven't really had one since Datsyuk.
I think he showed more playmaking ability this year, but I would not consider him a playmaking center first and foremost. I actually think he is very, very similar to Larkin: strong skating, shoot first two-way center. If anything I think he his better than Larkin at the same age in understanding the center game in the defensive zone. Anyways, I think they are cut from the same cloth in a lot of ways.
