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Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

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ShanahanMan said:
Isn’t that what you should be aiming for with a 9OA pick? Decent 3rd line centers can be easily gotten via FA. It’s those “high octane offensive guys” that teams are desperate for and usually only gotten via the draft
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RZombo posted the stats of guys picked 8th overall the last 20 years. Only 1 was a high octane guy. The rest were busts or good checking line guys.
 
ShanahanMan said:
Isn’t that what you should be aiming for with a 9OA pick? Decent 3rd line centers can be easily gotten via FA. It’s those “high octane offensive guys” that teams are desperate for and usually only gotten via the draft
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If Kasper develops into what he hope, then he wouldn't be your typical run-of-the-mill FA that can be had easily or cheaply.
 
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Filppula said:
Again, people underestimated the severity of the injury. Wiping out most of his PS. Add that to the fact he’s a rookie on a young team with a new coach, it was always going to take some
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I think the impressive thing is he's starting to find his offensive game a little further away from the net. Guys like him will always find ways to score in front of the net and cycling down low, but being dangerous from further out is often the difference between being a complementary guy and being a primary producer.
 
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"He hasn't shown enough offensive skill to justify any confidence that he is a top tier forward prospect and believe 9OA was a significant overpayment and wasted opportunity to obtain a real difference maker"

So when we are talking back and forth, we are debating what some of us perceive as... a Branden Tanev - Nic Dowd level, bottom six checking-line C who we could procure for 2M or less a year from the free agent market...?

Is that a fair summation or am I off-base?
 
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Never fails to amaze me how many of you guys read two draft profiles and never let them go. Kasper is a winning player whose ceiling is playoff dynamo, not “3rd liner.” Kid has been raved about for his work ethic and demeanor, has a tone setting physical attitude on the ice, and has demonstrated skill at every level of play in his career. If there’s one player in the pool I’d bet on to exceed his draft profile in the way Larkin has, it’d be Kasper.
 
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Yzerman tends to pull higher than the draft because he has an uncanny and deep way of looking into a player traits that lead to success at the NHL level. He is not 100% right, no one is. But all the signs were there with this pick. My biggest surprise is that anyone is surprised. (not derailing the thread so please don't react here but Cossa is coming too.)
 
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Great post on the main boards from @Petes2424:

Petes2424 said:
He is right about where he was expected to be. Getting better and better every night on the smaller ice, and here come the points.

Detroit was banking on Grand Rapids taking their lumps the first half of the season, and getting better as the season went. Very rare for an AHL team, to be this loaded with 22 and unders, playing every key position. Also didnt help that Luff and Czarnik haven’t been there very much, to help ease the pressure.

They sure are coming on though. Edvinsson, Johansson, Tuomisto and Wallinder playing every night. Mazur, Kasper, Soderblom, Cossa, also taking big steps. Lombardi and Hanas competing every night too.

The big jumps coming from Kasper and Tuomisto recently. If Tuomisto isn’t injured Game 2, missing about 20 games, this GR turn likely happens sooner. He’s much closer to the NHL than people ever would’ve thought 12 months ago. Probably time some folks start preparing to eat a lot of crow on that one.

Fun group to watch and more high-end kids coming. Savage having a great year at MSU, might just skip the entire league.
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If Kasper ends up a 50 point middle-six quality C who can agitate the opposing team and maintain the same (or higher) PPG in the playoffs that he does in the regular season, he is a good pick at 9OA.

Lots of players at 9OA don't even make the NHL.

If the Wings end up with Larkin(80 pts)/Danielson (60-70 pts)/Kasper (50-60 pts) as their top three Cs, with Copp centering the fourth line, they are going to be a bear to play against.
 
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Roomba With a Bauer said:
If Kasper ends up a 50 point middle-six quality C who can agitate the opposing team and maintain the same (or higher) PPG in the playoffs that he does in the regular season, he is a good pick at 9OA.

Lots of players at 9OA don't even make the NHL.

If the Wings end up with Larkin(80 pts)/Danielson (60-70 pts)/Kasper (50-60 pts) as their top three Cs, with Copp centering the fourth line, they are going to be a bear to play against.
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Copp should not be over Veleno
 
I think that ultimately Kasper will end up at wing because of Danielson/Larkin but I think he'll add that grit needed for those top lines.

Sooner rather than later I think we see:

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I think Kasper is going to add an element to the team that is going to be too important to make him just a shut down guy. We have smaller wingers so having a guy that can help defensively as Larks gets older, play physical, create some space, and be a 2nd faceoff option will be big.

I suspected this GR team would have some struggles with a ton of new faces and a new coach. Kasper in particular was going to have some issues due to losing an off season, coming back from injury, adjusting to NA, and NA ice.
 
Roomba With a Bauer said:
If the Wings end up with Larkin(80 pts)/Danielson (60-70 pts)/Kasper (50-60 pts)
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I don't think any team in the league has a #3 center that puts up that many points.

Compher was the #2 center on a Colorado team that was top 10 in goals last year and he had 52 points.

And usually if you can find a team where the #1 and #2 center put up a bunch of points, there was very little time left for the #3 center.

(I get your point... just trying to frame expectations)
 
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DTR said:
He just scored another goal



Fantastic play by Edvinsson
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I like that he used his body for protection on the puck against someone who was going at a higher rate of speed, all the while trying to control the puck and keeping it away from the defender that was right there in front of him.

Strong zetterberg vibes from that clip. Obviously has a long way to go to get there but still nice to see.
 
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It’s worth reiterating the amount of uncertainly that surrounded the 2022 draft due to covid. In hindsight, it may end up being one of those drafts where the 56th overall pick was the best player of the class. I think it’s understandable that Yzerman went safe that year all things considered. If Kasper develops into a Cirelli type, which was people were projecting as the best case scenario, I don’t think any of us will be complaining. It’s not as black and white as say the Rasmussen situation in 2017, which still ended up working okay for us.
 
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