Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

[Gniwder]

Agreed, but he also had a big surgery just before this season, and he has admittedly been playing better the past 10-15 games. Adjusting to NA ice and game is also something that takes time for some also.

Just curious, where did it say he got surgery? All indications were that he broke his knee cap, and that may or may not require surgery depending on the type of fracture. Even if it does require surgery, they can either use a tension band or put screws in. For all we know, he may have just gotten a simple splint or brace to stabilize the joint while the bone healed.

Regardless, it's not like he had knee replacement. I'd rather break a knee cap than tear a ligament. Bones heal.

 

[mikerooooose]

Don't forget as well, that Kasper isn't Swedish. He had to adjust to that change at 16yo.

Within Europe.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Kasper is the prospect that worries me the most right now. I love his playstyle and the Wings really could use a guy like that. They need him to find his game and start developing. Fingers crossed…

 

[MrRuin]

Kasper is the prospect that worries me the most right now. I love his playstyle and the Wings really could use a guy like that. They need him to find his game and start developing. Fingers crossed…

Posts like this boggle my mind. "Start developing"....he IS developing. There is so much more to development than boxscore stats and the on ice product. He is still a very young player, the last year has been a whirlwind and a lot of changes have happened. Never underestimate how different Europe and the US can be, how different the league is. The sheer volume of games and the schedule is totally different to what any Euro player is used to. Getting through a full season realtively healthy with a book of notes on what you experienced in your first year and what you can improve on (lots I am sure!) for year #2 is the most valuable thing Kasper can take from this season.

People on here always seem to forget that development is a very long and not a linear process (it means: sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes progress, sometimes even *gasp* regress!). Let's give it time ey?

 

[Oddbob]

Just curious, where did it say he got surgery? All indications were that he broke his knee cap, and that may or may not require surgery depending on the type of fracture. Even if it does require surgery, they can either use a tension band or put screws in. For all we know, he may have just gotten a simple splint or brace to stabilize the joint while the bone healed.

Regardless, it's not like he had knee replacement. I'd rather break a knee cap than tear a ligament. Bones heal.

I thought I remember hearing he had surgery in the summer, maybe I am wrong, just thought I read that here somewhere. Regardless he is a pro athlete and that kind of injury and coming to new style game can easily slow a players start.

 

[sepster]

I've seen several people mention Kasper having had surgery and always wondered where that was reported?
I think people are conflating/confusing Kasper's and Edvinsson's (who DID have surgery) injuries.

 

[Frk It]

I've seen several people mention Kasper having had surgery and always wondered where that was reported?
I think people are conflating/confusing Kasper's and Edvinsson's (who DID have surgery) injuries.

I saw that it was confirmed that he had a broken knee-cap around the time of his NHL debut and then it was estimated there would be a 6-8 week recovery. Not sure if there was a surgery needed or not.

However if they were estimating a 6-8 week recovery for that injury I don't know all these people saying he had "no off season" to train are correct.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I saw that it was confirmed that he had a broken knee-cap around the time of his NHL debut and then it was estimated there would be a 6-8 week recovery. Not sure if there was a surgery needed or not.

However if they were estimating a 6-8 week recovery for that injury I don't know all these people saying he had "no off season" to train are correct.

There was some reporting around the time of the prospects camp about how it impacted his summer. 8 weeks is a pretty big chunk of the summer for a hockey player though.

 

[lilidk]

The only question I have for Kasper is he third line center or top 6 player. Next 2 years we know for sure

 

[lilidk]

If that is all the Wings think of him, move him now. There is no way they drafted him hoping he was going to be a third liner.

I remember watching 22years old Datsyuk and thinking what a flashy guy, but never imagined him being our #1 center

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

The only question I have for Kasper is he third line center or top 6 player. Next 2 years we know for sure

It will take more than two years. In two years the kids will be 21.

I could potentially see him on the second line down the road. Maybe not as the best player on the line necessarily, but I don't think it is out of the question. He has a lot of development runway ahead of him.

 

[Gniwder]

I've seen several people mention Kasper having had surgery and always wondered where that was reported?
I think people are conflating/confusing Kasper's and Edvinsson's (who DID have surgery) injuries.

Or Fabbri. Every time we hear "knee", we just assume he blew up his ACL.... again.

I remember watching 22years old Datsyuk and thinking what a flashy guy, but never imagined him being our #1 center

Well, Fedorov set the bar kinda high. Datsyuk had some fancy stick work, but his skating wasn't ever anything close. Feds skated backwards better than Dats did forward.

 

[heyfolks]

The story confirmed the Red Wings’ report that the injury does not require surgery.

Red Wings’ Marco Kasper Played 50 Minutes on Broken Kneecap

Detroit Red Wings prize prospect Marco Kasper played his first game in the NHL on a broken kneecap. That’s something he will always remember. The Red Wings announced Kasper was shutdown because of injury, but didn’t say what the injury was. Austrian media outlet sport.orf.at revealed the injury...

detroithockeynow.com

 

[Detroit Knights]

Kasper is the prospect that worries me the most right now. I love his playstyle and the Wings really could use a guy like that. They need him to find his game and start developing. Fingers crossed…

man if kasper can become a agitating, nuisance like a marchand/tkachuk and still provide some type of scoring (dirty goals only is fine with me, thats playoff hockey baby) and mazur can develop into the same type of mold just on the wing, it will be genuinely amazing any joyful to watch the wings.

I absolutely hate the amount of "ras stares" we get to watch instead of some bite. This is why I want seider in the playoffs because I need to see what he is going to be. If chiarot/petry can rub off on seider for playoff hockey with the defensive aggression, hitting, facewashes to agitate, i'd be ecstatic.

 

[Gniwder]

The story confirmed the Red Wings’ report that the injury does not require surgery.

Red Wings’ Marco Kasper Played 50 Minutes on Broken Kneecap

Detroit Red Wings prize prospect Marco Kasper played his first game in the NHL on a broken kneecap. That’s something he will always remember. The Red Wings announced Kasper was shutdown because of injury, but didn’t say what the injury was. Austrian media outlet sport.orf.at revealed the injury...

detroithockeynow.com

Same with Raz. He wore a brace, didn't even get a cast. Pretty typical for a broken knee cap because it doesn't bear any weight,

Red Wings’ Rasmussen On Schedule For Full Recovery

Everyone has a theory about when the Detroit Red Wings’ season turned from promising to unsightly. Some believe it was the back-to-back losses to the Ottawa Senators in the Canadian capital that sent the season spinning out of control. Others believe the downward spiral occurred before the trade...

detroithockeynow.com

I can't recall any team that finished the season with 2 players with broken knee caps. Time to upgrade the shin pads. Speaking of which, here's an interesting article on equipment from a team perspective.

Inside the Red Wings’ equipment habits, and how they make it all work

Players say their younger selves would be shocked by how much equipment they go through, but it's a safety issue as much as anything.

theathletic.com

 

[Detroit Knights]

Same with Raz. He wore a brace, didn't even get a cast. Pretty typical for a broken knee cap because it doesn't bear any weight,

Red Wings’ Rasmussen On Schedule For Full Recovery

Everyone has a theory about when the Detroit Red Wings’ season turned from promising to unsightly. Some believe it was the back-to-back losses to the Ottawa Senators in the Canadian capital that sent the season spinning out of control. Others believe the downward spiral occurred before the trade...

detroithockeynow.com

I can't recall any team that finished the season with 2 players with broken knee caps. Time to upgrade the shin pads. Speaking of which, here's an interesting article on equipment from a team perspective.

Inside the Red Wings’ equipment habits, and how they make it all work

Players say their younger selves would be shocked by how much equipment they go through, but it's a safety issue as much as anything.

theathletic.com

I think you could get a puck to the side of the knee where the shin pad doesn't fully bend over to the side to cover the edges of the kneecap. Trying to remember my shinpads and I remember there being a flap there but with a hard shot coming your way, that pad is there for show only.

 

[Gniwder]

I think you could get a puck to the side of the knee where the shin pad doesn't fully bend over to the side to cover the edges of the kneecap. Trying to remember my shinpads and I remember there being a flap there but with a hard shot coming your way, that pad is there for show only.

Depends on brand and model, some have deeper knee cup than others. It's always been that way. Back in the old days, shin pads were symmetric, there was no left/right. Now the higher end stuff is designed to accommodate the fact that most men are bow legged. So it wouldn't be that hard to add a little more shielding to the outside of the knee cap.

Also, as Zadina learned the hard way, don't turn sideways to block a shot, lol.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Posts like this boggle my mind. "Start developing"....he IS developing. There is so much more to development than boxscore stats and the on ice product. He is still a very young player, the last year has been a whirlwind and a lot of changes have happened. Never underestimate how different Europe and the US can be, how different the league is. The sheer volume of games and the schedule is totally different to what any Euro player is used to. Getting through a full season realtively healthy with a book of notes on what you experienced in your first year and what you can improve on (lots I am sure!) for year #2 is the most valuable thing Kasper can take from this season.

People on here always seem to forget that development is a very long and not a linear process (it means: sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes progress, sometimes even *gasp* regress!). Let's give it time ey?

Hey now, I'm not writing him off or anything. After watching him last year in Sweden and then for his one NHL game, I think we all had higher expectations for him. You are correct that development is not linear, but his production has been a little concerning this year. What I meant was that of all our “high end” prospects, he may be my favorite and he hasn't been as good as wed hoped this season and i hope that trend doesn't continue. As you stated, there are probably several reasons for it with the adjustment to NA ice (and life) and the season ending knee injury.

I absolutely love his game and REALLY hope he starts making some noticeable strides soon. I imagine we will be in the playoffs in the next few seasons and we could really use more guys like him; they are key for playoff runs.

Go Wings!

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If Kasper's future is an agitating 3c who can score 50 points and sometimes step up to 2c, he is a good deal at 9OA.

We have Larkin as the 1c for at least 8 more years and Danielson will hopefully be the 2c. We'll see how he does in Portland with good linemates. Kasper and Danielson don't need to be stars.

With Kasper and Danielson as our middle Cs our second and third lines are going to be extremely frustrating to play against.

Noah Dower Nilson (henceforth NDN) is a dark horse C candidate. The Red Wings got a steal when they picked him at 72.

Between the three of them I think the team gets what it needs.

 

[DamonDRW]

I remember watching 22years old Datsyuk and thinking what a flashy guy, but never imagined him being our #1 center

Back then I started following him when he played in Russia. It was obvious he was special from the very first minute I saw him. If course, there were no guarantees that he would be 1C but at least it was clear that he has a chance to become a very good player.

I don't see anything special in Kasper except for relatively big body. What does he need to develop to become 2C for a playoff/contender team?

 

[Macoun]

Back then I started following him when he played in Russia. It was obvious he was special from the very first minute I saw him. If course, there were no guarantees that he would be 1C but at least it was clear that he has a chance to become a very good player.

I don't see anything special in Kasper except for relatively big body. What does he need to develop to become 2C for a playoff/contender team?

Kasper seems like a shutdown #2 center who’ll give you 50-60 points and consistent 20 goals.

 

[Snuggs]

Something Physical. Idk for sure but I'd just say give the kid sometime in the weight room, and possibly just readjust to things.

I watched him play last night, and just, Idk. Kid looks like he just needs a break/moment. Seems like he's trying to "read" the game/play vs drive it. Idk, maybe that's what he is, and he'll have to morph into this defensive center with offensive upside.

 

[RRhoads]

A full off season with a lot weight training and the correct diet can do wonders.

 

[DamonDRW]

Kasper seems like a shutdown #2 center who’ll give you 50-60 points and consistent 20 goals.

Nothing is his game indicates that he is 50-60 pts producer. Raymond is that kind of player and he is far superior in terms of skill.

We once again overvalue out prospects.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Nothing is his game indicates that he is 50-60 pts producer. Raymond is that kind of player and he is far superior in terms of skill.

We once again overvalue out prospects.

It's not all about skill.