#87 Sidney Crosby Milestone Thread - History will be made (Passes Marcel Dionne for 11th place in assists all time 2025-01-19)

[Hockey Outsider]

Crosby is now the 7th player in NHL history to reach 850 primary points at even strength:

It's conceivable that he could end up as high as 4th place by the end of his current contract.

 

[Felidae]

Crosby is now the 7th player in NHL history to reach 850 primary points at even strength:

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It's conceivable that he could end up as high as 4th place by the end of his current contract.

Now im curious how his EV numbers look during his prime compared to other all time greats. I imagine he'd be higher.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Crosby is now the 7th player in NHL history to reach 850 primary points at even strength:

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It's conceivable that he could end up as high as 4th place by the end of his current contract.

Hmmm. But I thought his stats were massively inflated by meaningless secondary assists.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Now im curious how his EV numbers look during his prime compared to other all time greats. I imagine he'd be higher.

This is from overpass's spreadsheet (which has data for sixty years - 1960 to 2020):

Most adjusted ES points, best ten years

GRETZKY, WAYNE	988
JAGR, JAROMIR	789
LEMIEUX, MARIO	701
ESPOSITO, PHIL	671
THORNTON, JOE	668
CROSBY, SIDNEY	659
SAKIC, JOE	644
OVECHKIN, ALEX	643
YZERMAN, STEVE	629
SELANNE, TEEMU	628
LAFLEUR, GUY	627
IGINLA, JAROME	612
KANE, PATRICK	608
DIONNE, MARCEL	608
SUNDIN, MATS	599
OATES, ADAM	594
ST. LOUIS, MARTIN	592
MALKIN, EVGENI	591
RATELLE, JEAN	587
BOSSY, MIKE	585

Most adjusted ES points per game, best ten years (presented as points per 82 games)

GRETZKY, WAYNE	102.9
LEMIEUX, MARIO	90.1
JAGR, JAROMIR	85.6
CROSBY, SIDNEY	75.9
LINDROS, ERIC	74.7
MCDAVID, CONNOR	73.6
FORSBERG, PETER	72.8
THORNTON, JOE	69.2
LAFLEUR, GUY	69.1
SAKIC, JOE	68.0
ESPOSITO, PHIL	67.6
MALKIN, EVGENI	67.5
YZERMAN, STEVE	67.5
SELANNE, TEEMU	66.5
OVECHKIN, ALEX	66.1
ORR, BOBBY	64.5
TURGEON, PIERRE	64.1
KANE, PATRICK	63.6
PANARIN, ARTEMI	63.4
BURE, PAVEL	63.4

Crosby is definitely one of the top 10 even-strength scorers in NHL history, and arguably top five.

 

[daver]

Most adjusted ES points per game, best ten years (presented as points per 82 games)

GRETZKY, WAYNE	102.9
LEMIEUX, MARIO	90.1
JAGR, JAROMIR	85.6
CROSBY, SIDNEY	75.9
LINDROS, ERIC	74.7
MCDAVID, CONNOR	73.6
FORSBERG, PETER	72.8
THORNTON, JOE	69.2
LAFLEUR, GUY	69.1
SAKIC, JOE	68.0
ESPOSITO, PHIL	67.6
MALKIN, EVGENI	67.5
YZERMAN, STEVE	67.5
SELANNE, TEEMU	66.5
OVECHKIN, ALEX	66.1
ORR, BOBBY	64.5
TURGEON, PIERRE	64.1
KANE, PATRICK	63.6
PANARIN, ARTEMI	63.4
BURE, PAVEL	63.4

Crosby is definitely one of the top 10 even-strength scorers in NHL history, and arguably top five.

Far too many post 1990 players on that list to treat it as being significant historically.

Crosby is definitely in the discussion for Top 5 best/greatest offensive players and loses no ground to any of his peers in terms of ES scoring vs. PP scoring or goalscoring vs. assists. He also arguably has the weakest set of linemates over his career in comparison to his peers and a definitive edge over some with his 2-way.

 

[elmaco]

Too bad he's rotting @ PIT

 

[Shrimper]

Evaluated for UBI. But, Pittsburgh have two games and then there's a 2 week break

Forgot the 4 nations thing

 

[Greatzsky 99]

Evaluated for UBI. But, Pittsburgh have two games and then there's a 2 week break

Forgot the 4 nations thing

whats UBI? that sucks

 

[Bear of Bad News]

whats UBI? that sucks

Upper body injury.

 

[Plural]

Sid is a talent who gets overshadowed by flashier players. He wont be really appreciated until years after he retires.

I don't really see that. He's already the #1 of his generation by vast majority of people. If anything, his biggest "rival" might see an increase in his reputation as time goes by.

 

[22Brad Park]

Too bad he's rotting @ PIT

He was on some loaded squads there winning Cups as well.

This is from overpass's spreadsheet (which has data for sixty years - 1960 to 2020):

Most adjusted ES points, best ten years

GRETZKY, WAYNE	988
JAGR, JAROMIR	789
LEMIEUX, MARIO	701
ESPOSITO, PHIL	671
THORNTON, JOE	668
CROSBY, SIDNEY	659
SAKIC, JOE	644
OVECHKIN, ALEX	643
YZERMAN, STEVE	629
SELANNE, TEEMU	628
LAFLEUR, GUY	627
IGINLA, JAROME	612
KANE, PATRICK	608
DIONNE, MARCEL	608
SUNDIN, MATS	599
OATES, ADAM	594
ST. LOUIS, MARTIN	592
MALKIN, EVGENI	591
RATELLE, JEAN	587
BOSSY, MIKE	585

Most adjusted ES points per game, best ten years (presented as points per 82 games)

GRETZKY, WAYNE	102.9
LEMIEUX, MARIO	90.1
JAGR, JAROMIR	85.6
CROSBY, SIDNEY	75.9
LINDROS, ERIC	74.7
MCDAVID, CONNOR	73.6
FORSBERG, PETER	72.8
THORNTON, JOE	69.2
LAFLEUR, GUY	69.1
SAKIC, JOE	68.0
ESPOSITO, PHIL	67.6
MALKIN, EVGENI	67.5
YZERMAN, STEVE	67.5
SELANNE, TEEMU	66.5
OVECHKIN, ALEX	66.1
ORR, BOBBY	64.5
TURGEON, PIERRE	64.1
KANE, PATRICK	63.6
PANARIN, ARTEMI	63.4
BURE, PAVEL	63.4

Crosby is definitely one of the top 10 even-strength scorers in NHL history, and arguably top five.

Just curious.Take Marcel Dionne off of those Kings teams and replace him with LeFleur .Do you think they have same careers with roles reversed?

 

[22Brad Park]

Crosby is now the 7th player in NHL history to reach 850 primary points at even strength:

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It's conceivable that he could end up as high as 4th place by the end of his current contract.

Be longtivity though putting him there over Dionne if he does not get 48 pts next 22 games going by chart.Am I reading it correctly