GDT: #73 ⋅ TOR @ ANA ⋅ 5:00 PM PDT

[Smirnov2Chistov]

Dare I say it - are we still in a wild card push? Seems unlikely right?

 

[All Mighty]

Dare I say it - are we still in a wild card push? Seems unlikely right?

We are 15 points out with 9 games left.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Dare I say it - are we still in a wild card push? Seems unlikely right?

Not really. That ship sailed losses to the Sabres, Hawks, and Canucks. And now we are way out with only 9 games left.

 

[Boo Boo]

Dare I say it - are we still in a wild card push? Seems unlikely right?

No - the blues got extremely hot and all but locked that spot up

 

[quackquackquack]

The Ducks being the only team that have a #1 goalie and a #1 defender signed for less than a 1m each. LOL. LaCombe still is signed until next year.

I wouldn't f*** around lol Aside from the '25 offseason business, i would lock both of them up this offseason.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I wouldn't f*** around lol Aside from the '25 offseason business, i would lock both of them up this offseason.

LaCombe is still under contract until after the 2025-26 season. Although, I'd like the org to get an extension done this off-season before he might take another development step forward and cost even more in the 2026 summer.

As for Dostal, I just want him signed long before training camp. Verbeek waited until the end of pre-season games to sign Z and Drysdale. Both got injured trying to play catch up and never caught up. Boston's G Swayman also missed training camp/pre-season due to contract negotiations and it affected his game this season. Let's learn from our mistakes and others to not replicate this stupidity. Get players signed before training camp!

 

[GunnarStahl]

If Vatrano ends Terry's year I will fill my diaper...

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

LaCombe is still under contract until after the 2025-26 season. Although, I'd like the org to get an extension done this off-season before he might take another development step forward and cost even more in the 2026 summer.

As for Dostal, I just want him signed long before training camp. Verbeek waited until the end of pre-season games to sign Z and Drysdale. Both got injured trying to play catch up and never caught up. Boston's G Swayman also missed training camp/pre-season due to contract negotiations and it affected his game this season. Let's learn from our mistakes and others to not replicate this stupidity. Get players signed before training camp!

People keep saying that. But it's not that simple. It takes two to tango. If all we do is sign guys early it just means we're giving in on every deal. I'd like them in camp too but it isn't always that easy.

Without knowing things we will never know, it can't just always be blames on PV.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

People keep saying that. But it's not that simple. It takes two to tango. If all we do is sign guys early it just means we're giving in on every deal. I'd like them in camp too but it isn't always that easy.

Without knowing things we will never know, it can't just always be blames on PV.

But the heavy implication was that he was doing the deals consecutively rather than simultaneously. So if one runs long, you're up against training camp before you know it and you haven't finished the other deals. Maybe you're fine with that if you're PV because there's inherent leverage against the player in the threat of missing camp with all that implies in terms of lagging performance and future deals. Especially if you don't really care how the team finishes, which mitigates what could have been reciprocal leverage for the player.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

People keep saying that. But it's not that simple. It takes two to tango. If all we do is sign guys early it just means we're giving in on every deal. I'd like them in camp too but it isn't always that easy.

Without knowing things we will never know, it can't just always be blames on PV.

A GM can start early in the off-season in negotiations. Both sides aren't on extremes so wide that neither can haggle closer to an agreement b/c eventually it does get there. The problem is when they get there. That's the GM's responsibility. And if the player(s) suffer in the season because they missed out on camp and pre-season, then that's on the GM.

Signing guys early doesn't mean we're giving in on every deal. Terry signed his 7-year, $49 mil ($7 mil AAV) contract on Aug 2nd, 2023. Are you saying the Ducks were giving in on Troy? Troy's contract looks decent for both parties.

Drysdale's 3-year, $6.9 mil ($2.3 mil AAV) contract is vastly different from Z's 3-year, $17.25 mil ($5.75 mil AAV). Why couldn't GM Verbeek have signed Drysdale earlier? And yet, Verbeek is more than willing to overspend on fading, former stars like Killorn's 4-year, $25 mil contract ($6.25 mil AAV) on July 1, 2023. That happens because Verbeek knows there's no competition to sign Z and Drysdale.

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History of youth signings under Verbeek.

Some history on Verbeek with the Ducks is he doesn't negotiate during a contract season b/c he says it's a distraction. Already, Verbeek purposely shortens the window of negotiations to his advantage.

Ducks GM: Team won't negotiate with Zegras, Terry, Drysdale during season

Anaheim Ducks general manager Pat Verbeek won't negotiate extensions with pending restricted free agents Trevor Zegras, Troy Terry, and Jamie Drysdale until after the 2022-23 season."That way, the players don't have a distraction," Verbeek said, according to The Athletic's Eric Stephens. "It...

www.thescore.com

Verbeek maximizing loyalty, from British Ice Hockey:

The Ducks hold the hammer in their negotiations with Zegras and Drysdale and have decided to play the waiting game as a result.​

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Anaheim general manager Pet Verbeek knows that Zegras and Drysdale are exceedingly unlikely to agree to be offer-sheeted, allowing him to squeeze every nickel and dime in their negotiations with the Ducks.​

LaCombe signed a 2-year, $1.85 mil (0.925 mil AAV) contract. LaCombe played better then fellow rookie Thrun, but Thrun got a $1 mil, 1-year contract. Holy hell, Verbeek does like squeezing the youths.

Talk about squeezing the youths, Verbeek now is making it a practice to make college draftees to sign an ATO with San Diego for a few games and then sign them to an ELC on the last week of the NHL with RW Colangelo last year and RD Moore this year.

It's f***ing nuts how Verbeek doesn't really value the youths. Yet, he's willing to overspend on players past their primes like it's nothing such as the failed multi-year contract attempt to sign Klingberg, Killorn's $6.25 mil AAV, and trading for Trouba's $8 mil AAV. There was an article on the Athletic about agents identifying how scrooge-like Anaheim is with their youth contracts.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

A GM can start early in the off-season in negotiations. Both sides aren't on extremes so wide that neither can haggle closer to an agreement b/c eventually it does get there. The problem is when they get there. That's the GM's responsibility. And if the player(s) suffer in the season because they missed out on camp and pre-season, then that's on the GM.

Signing guys early doesn't mean we're giving in on every deal. Terry signed his 7-year, $49 mil ($7 mil AAV) contract on Aug 2nd, 2023. Are you saying the Ducks were giving in on Troy? Troy's contract looks decent for both parties.

Drysdale's 3-year, $6.9 mil ($2.3 mil AAV) contract is vastly different from Z's 3-year, $17.25 mil ($5.75 mil AAV). Why couldn't GM Verbeek have signed Drysdale earlier? And yet, Verbeek is more than willing to overspend on fading, former stars like Killorn's 4-year, $25 mil contract ($6.25 mil AAV) on July 1, 2023. That happens because Verbeek knows there's no competition to sign Z and Drysdale.

---

History of youth signings under Verbeek.

Some history on Verbeek with the Ducks is he doesn't negotiate during a contract season b/c he says it's a distraction. Already, Verbeek purposely shortens the window of negotiations to his advantage.

Ducks GM: Team won't negotiate with Zegras, Terry, Drysdale during season

Anaheim Ducks general manager Pat Verbeek won't negotiate extensions with pending restricted free agents Trevor Zegras, Troy Terry, and Jamie Drysdale until after the 2022-23 season."That way, the players don't have a distraction," Verbeek said, according to The Athletic's Eric Stephens. "It...

www.thescore.com

Verbeek maximizing loyalty, from British Ice Hockey:

The Ducks hold the hammer in their negotiations with Zegras and Drysdale and have decided to play the waiting game as a result.​

​

Anaheim general manager Pet Verbeek knows that Zegras and Drysdale are exceedingly unlikely to agree to be offer-sheeted, allowing him to squeeze every nickel and dime in their negotiations with the Ducks.​

LaCombe signed a 2-year, $1.85 mil (0.925 mil AAV) contract. LaCombe played better then fellow rookie Thrun, but Thrun got a $1 mil, 1-year contract. Holy hell, Verbeek does like squeezing the youths.

Talk about squeezing the youths, Verbeek now is making it a practice to make college draftees to sign an ATO with San Diego for a few games and then sign them to an ELC on the last week of the NHL with RW Colangelo last year and RD Moore this year.

It's f***ing nuts how Verbeek doesn't really value the youths. Yet, he's willing to overspend on players past their primes like it's nothing such as the failed multi-year contract attempt to sign Klingberg, Killorn's $6.25 mil AAV, and trading for Trouba's $8 mil AAV. There was an article on the Athletic about agents identifying how scrooge-like Anaheim is with their youth contracts.

Wasn’t Terry signed like hours before arbitration ?

Also can you link your source for Verbeek offering Klingberg a multi year deal, or his intent to do so ?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

But the heavy implication was that he was doing the deals consecutively rather than simultaneously. So if one runs long, you're up against training camp before you know it and you haven't finished the other deals. Maybe you're fine with that if you're PV because there's inherent leverage against the player in the threat of missing camp with all that implies in terms of lagging performance and future deals. Especially if you don't really care how the team finishes, which mitigates what could have been reciprocal leverage for the player.

I had not read that. It would seem odd to intentionally delay starting any talks. IF that were the case, I wouldn't have a problem being critical of the process PV took.

FWIW, I thought I read recently that Solomon does all contracts. I guess part of the question is how much does PV involve himself in that process like he does elsewhere? I'm sure he discusses the framework of all deals ahead of time with Solomon. But does he get into the whole strategy of each deal, because that would seem like Solomon's job.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I had not read that. It would seem odd to intentionally delay starting any talks. IF that were the case, I wouldn't have a problem being critical of the process PV took.

FWIW, I thought I read recently that Solomon does all contracts. I guess part of the question is how much does PV involve himself in that process like he does elsewhere? I'm sure he discusses the framework of all deals ahead of time with Solomon. But does he get into the whole strategy of each deal, because that would seen like Solomon's job.

Yeah I don't know either, especially since the Ducks are even less visible than most franchises. But the criticism is plausible.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

I had not read that. It would seem odd to intentionally delay starting any talks. IF that were the case, I wouldn't have a problem being critical of the process PV took.

FWIW, I thought I read recently that Solomon does all contracts. I guess part of the question is how much does PV involve himself in that process like he does elsewhere? I'm sure he discusses the framework of all deals ahead of time with Solomon. But does he get into the whole strategy of each deal, because that would seen like Solomon's job.

I remember reading the same thing re: Solomon.

Will also say that an NHL GM, like any other job, has a learning curve.

 

[Rybread86]

Wasn’t Terry signed like hours before arbitration ?

Also can you link your source for Verbeek offering Klingberg a multi year deal, or his intent to do so ?

I think the Klingberg thing was mentioned in a media appearance, not sure if there is a story on it. If memory serves, Klingon wanted a max contract at like $7mil per and the front office was only willing to go 4 or 5 years at slightly less AAV. He said no, bet on himself and took a 1 year deal because no one was giving him what he wanted.

 

[Rybread86]

If Vatrano ends Terry's year I will fill my diaper...

If that bump ends Terrys season, they are looking for a reason to shut him down

 

[Rybread86]

So Kylington is pronounced shillington?

I kept looking for a Shillington on TOR until i realized it was Kylington

 

[GunnarStahl]

If that bump ends Terrys season, they are looking for a reason to shut him down

Have you considered how dense and thick Frank's skull is?