GDT: #7 | Flyers at Capitals | Wednesday, October 23rd, 2024 | 7:30 PM | TNT, 93.3 FM

[deadhead]

Just have no expectations the next two seasons and you'll be fine.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Just have no expectations the next two seasons and you'll be fine.

Maybe the dumbest thing I have seen here.

Rebuilding teams must have big expectations to improve year after year and build a system.

 

[deadhead]

Maybe the dumbest thing I have seen here.

Rebuilding teams must have big expectations to improve year after year and build a system.

Quite the opposite, if you're going to play a lot of young players, you're going to be inconsistent.
I think they're not fixated on winning.

They want to be competitive, b/c it's a better environment for player development, but they're not making moves to make the playoffs by adding veterans.

 

[Tripod]

2 years away?

I think I have heard that before

 

[Magua]

Quite the opposite, if you're going to play a lot of young players, you're going to be inconsistent.
I think they're not fixated on winning.

They want to be competitive, b/c it's a better environment for player development, but they're not making moves to make the playoffs by adding veterans.

They absolutely expected to be in the playoff bubble race, and if they backslide to the bottom 5-8, it's not what they envisioned. You can already see the panic setting in with the scratches, lines, talk around the team. What says patience about this? And they didn't make moves to add veterans because they already have plenty of veterans they won't move (they just re-signed 2 of their oldest players). That's how Brink and Foerster still get scratched, with Luchanko not playing.

They're also less young than they appear. Luchanko will be sent down; Andrae is on the bench. Their goalies average out as 26 years old but might very well be near the statistical bottom or out of the league. Their youngest defenseman is Drysdale, but he's in his 5th NHL season and might simply be bad. Next is Zamula, and he's on borrowed time. Their 25 year old, 8-year term cornerstone player is a forever inconsistent middle 6 player. Being 27 years old (Konecny) means nothing when they are years away. I think one of Farabee or Frost gets traded for a similarly aged player this season.

If the Flyers were the youngest team in the league, it doesn't matter because it doesn't speak to talent. The Flyers believe they are near their requisite talent level.

 

[mize370]

2 year away?

I think I have heard that before

ya you did. 2 and 4 years ago

 

[freakydallas13]

"Youngest team in the league" is such a misleading statement, considering the age of many of their important players and how often they scratch their youngest players for washed veterans.

It's pure propaganda, and the Flyers are the masters of that craft.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Just have no expectations the next two seasons and you'll be fine.

When Fletcher was GM, you insisted we'd be contending by now because his rebuild would be complete. Every year, you insist that in two years things will be good.

Never mind that he was obviously never rebuilding, just as they obviously aren't rebuilding now.

 

[Beef Invictus]

"Youngest team in the league" is such a misleading statement, considering the age of many of their important players and how often they scratch their youngest players for washed veterans.

It's pure propaganda, and the Flyers are the masters of that craft.

They can and should be younger, but they chose not to actually rebuild.

 

[deadhead]

When Fletcher was GM, you insisted we'd be contending by now because his rebuild would be complete. Every year, you insist that in two years things will be good.

Never mind that he was obviously never rebuilding, just as they obviously aren't rebuilding now.

You know I never said that b/c Fletcher never tried to rebuild anything.

 

[Tripod]

Wait, I was told the vets won't block the kids.

And Fletch only made 1 mistake.

And Torts is a great coach and no players dislike him.

So confusing.

 

[deadhead]

They can and should be younger, but they chose not to actually rebuild.

They shouldn't be younger, b/c no one in LHV is NHL ready right now.

Lycksell (25) and Andrae (22) are the closest.
Lycksell isn't beating out Cates (25).
Andrae might challenge Zamula (23) at some point.

Ginning (24) and Attard (25) failed to win jobs last year and this season.

The rest are a year or two away, Avon (21), Tuomaala (21), Desnoyers (22), McDonald (22), Samson (21). Grans (22) has flatlined, Rizzo (23) is a disappointment,

 

[freakydallas13]

They shouldn't be younger, b/c no one in LHV is NHL ready right now.

Lycksell (25) and Andrae (22) are the closest.
Lycksell isn't beating out Cates (25).
Andrae might challenge Zamula (23) at some point.

Ginning (24) and Attard (25) failed to win jobs last year and this season.

The rest are a year or two away, Avon (21), Tuomaala (21), Desnoyers (22), McDonald (22), Samson (21). Grans (22) has flatlined, Rizzo (23) is a disappointment,

Nick Seeler at age 27 still wasn't NHL ready, and you know what happened? The Flyers picked him up and played him and actually invested the ice time to turn him into an everyday NHL player. And now he's the stabilizing force of an entire NHL defence core!

Maybe playing these players you think have failed won't change anything. Maybe it would. We'll never know, and the team refuses to even try and turn them into something like they did Seeler, and chooses to play the Johnson's of the world instead.

It costs the team nothing not to resign washed veterans and instead invest the NHL minutes they would have given them into maybe making something of these AHL players. And don't give me that "...the NHL isn't a development league" BS after the Luchanko debacle, either.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The age old question, would you rather have a player you know is shit or a player that might be shit but you don’t know yet?

 

[Beef Invictus]

You know I never said that b/c Fletcher never tried to rebuild anything.

You were arguing he was rebuilding before he was fired, and have argued "this year doesn't matter, they're 2 years away" followed by arguing there is some kind of plan/rebuild/retool ongoing that was never ongoing.

Your claims of being two years away have happened for many, many more than 2 years now.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They shouldn't be younger, b/c no one in LHV is NHL ready right now.

Lycksell (25) and Andrae (22) are the closest.
Lycksell isn't beating out Cates (25).
Andrae might challenge Zamula (23) at some point.

Ginning (24) and Attard (25) failed to win jobs last year and this season.

The rest are a year or two away, Avon (21), Tuomaala (21), Desnoyers (22), McDonald (22), Samson (21). Grans (22) has flatlined, Rizzo (23) is a disappointment,

Nobody in LHV is ready, while you've been arguing Luchanko is? When he isn't even at their level yet? How?

Deady, I think it is time for you to give some serious thought to not defending everything the team does by default.

 

[trostol]

They shouldn't be younger, b/c no one in LHV is NHL ready right now.

Lycksell (25) and Andrae (22) are the closest.
Lycksell isn't beating out Cates (25).
Andrae might challenge Zamula (23) at some point.

Ginning (24) and Attard (25) failed to win jobs last year and this season.

The rest are a year or two away, Avon (21), Tuomaala (21), Desnoyers (22), McDonald (22), Samson (21). Grans (22) has flatlined, Rizzo (23) is a disappointment,

Do we know dead on for sure they are not ready or that just something your gonna keep throwing out there when they don't ever actually get a chance to show....

 

[Flyerfan4life]

They absolutely expected to be in the playoff bubble race, and if they backslide to the bottom 5-8, it's not what they envisioned. You can already see the panic setting in with the scratches, lines, talk around the team. What says patience about this? And they didn't make moves to add veterans because they already have plenty of veterans they won't move (they just re-signed 2 of their oldest players). That's how Brink and Foerster still get scratched, with Luchanko not playing.

They're also less young than they appear. Luchanko will be sent down; Andrae is on the bench. Their goalies average out as 26 years old but might very well be near the statistical bottom or out of the league. Their youngest defenseman is Drysdale, but he's in his 5th NHL season and might simply be bad. Next is Zamula, and he's on borrowed time. Their 25 year old, 8-year term cornerstone player is a forever inconsistent middle 6 player. Being 27 years old (Konecny) means nothing when they are years away. I think one of Farabee or Frost gets traded for a similarly aged player this season.

If the Flyers were the youngest team in the league, it doesn't matter because it doesn't speak to talent. The Flyers believe they are near their requisite talent level.

DB even said this is year 3 of the 3 year "rebuild"

this is basicly the roster they envision as cup contender...

 

[deadhead]

Nick Seeler at age 27 still wasn't NHL ready, and you know what happened? The Flyers picked him up and played him and actually invested the ice time to turn him into an everyday NHL player. And now he's the stabilizing force of an entire NHL defence core!

Maybe playing these players you think have failed won't change anything. Maybe it would. We'll never know, and the team refuses to even try and turn them into something like they did Seeler, and chooses to play the Johnson's of the world instead.

It costs the team nothing not to resign washed veterans and instead invest the NHL minutes they would have given them into maybe making something of these AHL players. And don't give me that "...the NHL isn't a development league" BS after the Luchanko debacle, either.

Seeler learned in the AHL.
3 years college, 106 AHL games, then started for a year at 25.

The next season Minnesota placed him on waivers in an attempt to clear space under the cap. The Chicago Blackhawks claimed him. Seeler played six games with Chicago and was scratched for 10 others before the season was paused due to COVID.

Took the following year off.

Signed with the Flyers and started at 28. The Flyers had expected him to be in the AHL but he won a job in camp. Then signed a two year deal, the first season a one-way contract and the second a two-way deal.

Do we know dead on for sure they are not ready or that just something your gonna keep throwing out there when they don't ever actually get a chance to show....

I watch every AHL game they televise in Philly the past few years, and one thing I've noticed, when an AHL player is ready, they jump out at you 5x5 b/c they're simply better than their peers. It's the same game, same rink, so if you're not excelling at the AHL level, it's unlikely you're NHL ready.

 

[ponder719]

Christ, I'm a nerd.

So, I counted. (Caveat: used their entire careers, not the three year spans listed here, for obvious reasons only counted each player once.)

Solid guess for Rinaldo comparisons, though perhaps a few surprises in there, less obvious for Hoggles.

Just went back to cross-reference, and the only teams not to employ a player similar to either Hägg or Rinaldo are Calgary, Dallas, and Florida. Don't know why I'm so fascinated by this, but there you have it.

 

[freakydallas13]

Seeler learned in the AHL.
3 years college, 106 AHL games, then started for a year at 25.

The next season Minnesota placed him on waivers in an attempt to clear space under the cap. The Chicago Blackhawks claimed him. Seeler played six games with Chicago and was scratched for 10 others before the season was paused due to COVID.

Took the following year off.

Signed with the Flyers and started at 28. The Flyers had expected him to be in the AHL but he won a job in camp. Then signed a two year deal, the first season a one-way contract and the second a two-way deal.

You typed all this up and refuted exactly zero of my points.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

You typed all this up and refuted exactly zero of my points.

I'll take "why havent you blocked this blowhard yet for $100 Alex"

 

[Hextallent63]

Just have no expectations the next two seasons and you'll be fine.

I try to agree to that but the non sensible shit has its limits.