GDT: #7 | Flyers at Capitals | Wednesday, October 23rd, 2024 | 7:30 PM | TNT, 93.3 FM

[MacDonald4MVP]

Unpopular opinions

Z might be worse than Hagg.

Bold tanking strategy Cotton to leave the ice and give the team an open empty net shot

Fedotov look competent for 30 out of 60 minutes. Baby steps

Haggar is still lurking around currently with Vegas Ahl affiliate.

 

[deadhead]

Zamula gives you solid defensive impacts without committing a ton of Penalties. But basically nothing else.

Hagg gave you nothing. At his worst, Hagg was a negative in basically every way we have to measure a player’s effectiveness. He’s my best guess at the worst Flyer Defenseman we’ve seen in the last ~25 years given an appropriate threshold of minimum Games. I have zero doubt he was significantly worse than AMac for example.

Welp. That was yesterday, but yesterday's gone.
He hasn't been solid this season, he's been a train wreck.

If Fedotov can actually take what he did in the last 30 minutes and piece that together from game to game, or at least mostly, then he might be okay in the NHL. But his reading of the play and speed of it is still pretty low for NHL standards.

I think the success of a few elite KHL goalies has created a false impression that the transfer from the KHL to the NHL should be seamless.

It's more like going from the AHL to the NHL.

Now if Zavragin is as good as his stats indicated he might be, he could make a seamless transition, much the way Michkov is quickly becoming an elite NHL offensive player (his defense and decision making, that may take a couple years).

But for Fedotov and Kolosov, "you know it don't come easy."

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

If Fedotov can actually take what he did in the last 30 minutes and piece that together from game to game, or at least mostly, then he might be okay in the NHL. But his reading of the play and speed of it is still pretty low for NHL standards.

I thought 2 of the goals you could give him a pass on. But still he has a lot of things he needs to clean up. I am still not ready to give up on him but I hope we can see improvement as we go along.

 

[zizbuka]

You gotta send Jett back if you aren't going to play him

1 ringy dingy...... 2 ringy dingy......

Hey Cutter, it's Jett. So, help me get started..........

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I thought 2 of the goals you could give him a pass on. But still he has a lot of things he needs to clean up. I am still not ready to give up on him but I hope we can see improvement as we go along.

I'm just glad this game actually gave some sort of glimmer of him being better because his previous 2 games were BAD.

But yeah, the defensive breakdowns were so f***ing bad in front of him.

Honestly, I would say goal #2 against Dowd really showed how he completely failed tracking the puck.

First goal was a wildly good f***ing tip in front that would of gone in on anyone. Third goal was a breakaway, however, his lack of lateral movement was pretty f***ing apparent there as he basically stretched out in place. Fourth goal was where the defense let him just sit there in front with no one defending him for an easy tip in goal that would be difficult for any goalie.

So yes, he was better, but he still has some glaring flaws.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Welp. That was yesterday, but yesterday's gone.
He hasn't been solid this season, he's been a train wreck.


I think the success of a few elite KHL goalies has created a false impression that the transfer from the KHL to the NHL should be seamless.

It's more like going from the AHL to the NHL.

Now if Zavragin is as good as his stats indicated he might be, he could make a seamless transition, much the way Michkov is quickly becoming an elite NHL offensive player (his defense and decision making, that may take a couple years).

But for Fedotov and Kolosov, "you know it don't come easy."

Why does the staff still play him 19+ minutes a night? Seems odd. what are they seeing?

 

[ponder719]

Why does the staff still play him 19+ minutes a night? Seems odd. what are they seeing?

The rest of their defensive options?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Welp. That was yesterday, but yesterday's gone.
He hasn't been solid this season, he's been a train wreck.

Basically equivalent to Risto this year defensively. Both solid. Neither given deployment that's noteworthy in either direction. I'm sure you remember some egregious mistakes, but our eyes and brains are terrible at these big picture defensive impacts.

They probably won't have an oiSVP% of 82 with him on the ice at 5v5 all year. His other minor strengths this year are things like drawing Penalties, which I trust precisely zero people on the planet to judge in real time. Just a quietly acceptable but unspectacular player.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The rest of their defensive options?

Risto for all his warts is still a better option. Seeler was first game back so understand his low minutes.

Just a reelection of how poor of an organization. They have no one to replace him after years of futility. Despite what they say about Andrae, at least 1 person does not like his game.

 

[deadhead]

Briere has to work with what he inherited. Which wasn't a lot.

Holmgren made the decision after 2018-19 to try and win it with a core of (2019-20 ages)
Giroux (32), Couts (27), Voracek (30), TK (22), JVR (30), Lindblom (23), Laughton (25), Patrick (21), Simmonds (31), NAK (23)
Provorov (23), Sanheim (23), Ghost (26), Hagg (24), Gudas (29), Myers (23)

It wasn't good enough for a long run, some bad luck (Lindblom, Patrick), some 30+ guys falling off the cliff (Voracek, Simmonds). No organizational depth.

Even if CF makes better moves, there wasn't enough talent to be a SC contender.
Just enough to be mired in mediocrity.

Between Hextall's poor use of 1st and 2nd rd picks his last couple years, and CF trading a draft's worth of picks to "win now," the cupboard was empty.

The real villain was Holmgren, he didn't want to make the tough decision to rebuild, so he punted, hired CF and AV, and then retired.

You need both quality at the top and organizational depth to withstand the inevitable injuries.
That takes time and numerous drafts. And a little luck and some smart low cost moves.

 

[ellja3]

He started on the left wall but Drysdale carried the puck low into the zone so Michkov took the point during the play and ended up with the open slot to shoot.

Thanks!

 

[bennysflyers16]

Almost all players Briere has added or extended was the wrong move.

 

[Curufinwe]

Almost all players Briere has added or extended was the wrong move.

If Briere paid for performance, he should be signing Frost to an 8 x $5m extension any day now. Production wise, that's what he deserves based on the TK and OT contracts.

 

[bennysflyers16]

If Briere paid for performance, he should be signing Frost to an 8 x $5m extension any day now. Production wise, that's what he deserves based on the TK and OT contracts.

Frost had a great game yesterday, best of the year, and the Deadys of the world want him scratched for Catsey .

 

[ajgoal]

Frost had a great game yesterday, best of the year, and the Deadys of the world want him scratched for Catsey .

He was a MINUS 4!

Not a real stat

 

[bennysflyers16]

He was a MINUS 4!

Not a real stat

Ignored when its Laughton, hammered home when its Frost.

2 of those were not his fault for sure.

 

[freakydallas13]

That one year would have been Hagg’s 4th worst season by my methods as difficult to believe as that is.

The two guys I checked before posting were Yandle and cooked Grossmann, so believe me when I say I think you were on the right track.

Brandon Manning came to mind, but something tells me he was actually useful in some offence capacity.

 

[Cody Webster]

I see we're still blaming Hextall *checks calendar* almost a full 6 years after he was fired

 

[04hockey]

Drysdale always manages to end up with negative plus/minus by the end of the game.

Being -71 through 154 games is quite impressive.

-28 in 31 games for Philadelphia.

check out Ghost' career +/-

 

[ellja3]

Brandon Manning came to mind, but something tells me he was actually useful in some offence capacity.

This was not a name I wanted to see after a tiring workday. Please, be more considerate next time and pick your words.

Thank you.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Brandon Manning came to mind, but something tells me he was actually useful in some offence capacity.

His 3 worst years here would still be better than every Hagg Flyers season except one (17-18). That is not a compliment.

Just for some scope here, by HockeyViz's sG model, Manning was between a -5 and a -6 for the main three awful seasons. Hagg had a -9.8, a -10.0, and a MINUS TWELVE POINT NINE. It's a miracle we still have functioning eyesight after 82 Games of that in 2018-19.

Maybe it's best for the sake of all our sanity that we only have possession metrics going back to '07-08, so that just misses the '06-07 debacle. But not even any of that corps like Alexandre Picard or Denis Gauthier showed anywhere near that poorly later on in their careers. I really think Hagg was the nadir.

 

[EXTRAS]

check out Ghost' career +/-

It's -76 but he's taken 625 games to get there. Drysdales -71 in 154gp seems way worse.