GDT: #7 | Flyers at Capitals | Wednesday, October 23rd, 2024 | 7:30 PM | TNT, 93.3 FM

[trostol]

only game tonight...watch them do something stupid..like win in a blowout lol

 

[deadhead]

The problem is matching the right players, and we don't have some of the right players.

Michkov isn't a great fit with Frost, Frost is not a great "half court" player, he just doesn't see the ice that well and needs to use his speed to be effective, which is why he's been a good match with Tippett. Next season look for Luchanko and Michkov to be paired.

Brink is smart, has better vision than Frost but is undersized, his ideal center would be a young Couts, but whether Couts can anchor a scoring line is a question at this point in his career. I see him as more effective at LW.

Cates is a good defensive center who lacks playmaking skills, Laughton is a better LW than center, Poehling is a speedy forechecker who is best at 4C.

They know this, but unless you want to spend assets on a veteran center, there is little to be done until next summer and maybe another season or two. Center and LHD will be draft priorities, but even ones taken in the 1st rd are unlikely to make an impact until 2027-28 (D+2 if lucky, D+3 or D+4 for most 1st rd picks).

My strategy would be to package Frost and/or Farabee, a later 1st rd pick and another asset for a young two way top six center. Then draft a couple offensively skilled smurf centers for 3C and hope that Ciernak turns out to be for real.

 

[youthoftoday]

Zero % they are banged up.

Tippy Poheling together, Torts 2 fav boos SUCK TOGETHER, yet you scratch other players.

We are 100% healthy and will roll out possibly the worst forward lineup in years tonight !

Get Jett, Frost, Brink out of the lineup and their youngest team in the NHL badge of honour is gone !

"Youngest team in the league" is the Reddit subs favorite response to someone who says the Flyers aren't really rebuilding.

 

[deadhead]

That's been a big concern for me too. He doesn't at all look like the player he was last year. It took some time for him to get started, so I'm hoping it's the same thing this year.

Neither does Frost.
Last season, Frost was a solid 2C and held up despite being overmatched some nights against top lines.
This season he looks lost out there, starts plays that go nowhere.

Eventually it's going to be Frost, Couts, Cates and Poehling at center, similar to last season, swapping Cates for Laughton, who is clearly better at LW.

Foerster - Couts - Michkov
Tippett - Frost - TK
Farabee - Cates - Brink
Laughton - Poehling - Hathaway

Given that group, it's no wonder Torts wants a longer look at Luchanko!
But unless he starts playing a lot better, he's headed back to the CHL.

 

[VladDrag]

Neither does Frost.
Last season, Frost was a solid 2C and held up despite being overmatched some nights against top lines.
This season he looks lost out there, starts plays that go nowhere.

Eventually it's going to be Frost, Couts, Cates and Poehling at center, similar to last season, swapping Cates for Laughton, who is clearly better at LW.

Foerster - Couts - Michkov
Tippett - Frost - TK
Farabee - Cates - Brink
Laughton - Poehling - Hathaway

Given that group, it's no wonder Torts wants a longer look at Luchanko!
But unless he starts playing a lot better, he's headed back to the CHL.

Dude what is your deal with Frost?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Dude what is your deal with Frost?

is Torts taking questions ?

 

[bennysflyers16]

"Youngest team in the league" is the Reddit subs favorite response to someone who says the Flyers aren't really rebuilding.

It is the easiest way to fool the authentics.

 

[deadhead]

Dude what is your deal with Frost?

He's been playing like crap to start the season.
Much worse than last season.
Tippett has been even worse, but you can live with Tippett or TK having a slow start, but if Frost is struggling the impact is greater b/c they have more depth at wing.

He's our only potential top 6 center (Luchanko next season but not now) so if he's mediocre, center is a black hole.

Couts is solid, but it doesn't look like he can drive a scoring line anymore.

 

[mr figgles]

Luchanko a top 6 center next season. Can’t make this stuff up.

 

[deadhead]

Luchanko a top 6 center next season. Can’t make this stuff up.

Luchanko has NHL size and speed, he has NHL defensive instincts, he just has to raise his offensive game. The median 2C scores around 35 ES points, so we're not talking a drastic improvement. No one is asking him to be elite at 19, anymore than anyone sane expects Michkov to be elite this season.

That's a lot easier to plug in than an offensive first CHL center who hasn't mastered NHL fundamentals - because when the inevitable struggles on offense come, he'll be a black hole on defense.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Worst pp running. 2 x shorties against.

My under on Torts getting fired in 15 is looking good

 

[bennysflyers16]

Luchanko a top 6 center next season. Can’t make this stuff up.

Even if he goes back most likely won't make Team Canada , but top 6 in NHL LOL

 

[mr figgles]

Luchanko has NHL size and speed, he has NHL defensive instincts, he just has to raise his offensive game. The median 2C scores around 35 ES points, so we're not talking a drastic improvement. No one is asking him to be elite at 19, anymore than anyone sane expects Michkov to be elite this season.

That's a lot easier to plug in than an offensive first CHL center who hasn't mastered NHL fundamentals - because when the inevitable struggles on offense come, he'll be a black hole on defense.

Just has to raise his offensive game… like that’s an easy thing for a 19-year-old whose best season in juniors was 20 goals. 35 ES points is a pretty drastic improvement over the 0 points in 4 games he currently has. The defensive instincts are nice, but as a 2C, I am more concerned about him being a black hole on offense.

 

[ponder719]

Worst pp running. 2 x shorties against.

My under on Torts getting fired in 15 is looking good

I cannot help but hope you're right, but I came a hair's breadth away from putting Torts on my stone cold locks to not be fired prediction for DGB's survey (only the possibility that he resigns for a FO job at the end of the season kept him off my list). I think Michkov would have to publicly threaten to return to Russia in order to get Torts actually fired.

 

[VladDrag]

He's been playing like crap to start the season.
Much worse than last season.
Tippett has been even worse, but you can live with Tippett or TK having a slow start, but if Frost is struggling the impact is greater b/c they have more depth at wing.

He's our only potential top 6 center (Luchanko next season but not now) so if he's mediocre, center is a black hole.

Couts is solid, but it doesn't look like he can drive a scoring line anymore.

Totally agree, Frost needs to be better, and I think he will. I'm less concerned when it comes to Frost, because I still see decent visual plays here and there with Frost. He hasn't lost anything, I just don't think things are quite going his way. I know we see the game differently, so I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the visual side of things.

The difference, to me, with Tippett is that he doesn't 'look' the same. He doesn't have that same explosive skating ability, which is the source of his effectiveness. I didn't see it during the preseason, and have only seen it on 2 or 3 plays during the season.

It's more concerning to me because Tippett is being paid to produce, and they are locked in long term with him. If this is just who Frost is, then so be it. Pay him 3M/year have him be a middle-6 center and that's that.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Dude what is your deal with Frost?

That is his shtick. Do yourself a favor and press that ignore button. He is not worth the time.

 

[Magua]

Just has to raise his offensive game… like that’s an easy thing for a 19-year-old whose best season in juniors was 20 goals. 35 ES points is a pretty drastic improvement over the 0 points in 4 games he currently has.

Luchanko had 39 ES points in his draft year as a 1C in the OHL.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Just read this on Facebook.
Going back to March 24 of last season the Flyers are 3-11-3 in their last 17 games. Out scored 70-37

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Just read this on Facebook.
Going back to March 24 of last season the Flyers are 3-11-3 in their last 17 games. Out scored 70-37

But this is the exact culture they want.

 

[freakydallas13]

Sure Tippet is playing worse than Frost, and sure Tippet makes way more money for way longer, but Frost is the real concern here.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I don’t think it’s even fair to judge Luchanko. An 18 year old drafted in the mid 1st shouldn’t be playing center in the NHL. Probably shouldn’t next season as well. Just ride out the season to a top 5 pick and how Michkov looks good

 

[ybnvs]

I went to the game last night and really like Brink's game. He may be the 2/3 best passer on the team - pretty good IQ - but the mistakes does make tend to end up in our net.

Just to reiterate, none of the goals against last night were on Brink.

 

[freakydallas13]

I don’t think it’s even fair to judge Luchanko. An 18 year old drafted in the mid 1st shouldn’t be playing center in the NHL. Probably shouldn’t next season as well. Just ride out the season to a top 5 pick and how Michkov looks good

I absolutely don't blame him, I blame management for not sending him back to the CHL despite the fact he clearly should be.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I cannot help but hope you're right, but I came a hair's breadth away from putting Torts on my stone cold locks to not be fired prediction for DGB's survey (only the possibility that he resigns for a FO job at the end of the season kept him off my list). I think Michkov would have to publicly threaten to return to Russia in order to get Torts actually fired.

they would still choose Torts for FO and smear MM..

 

[tictactoe]

Lets shoot for 25 SOG in this one.