GDT: #66 | Sharks at Flyers | March 12, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP

[Audible Velvet]

Brink must have gone to Torts, ripped his shirt off and said, “Let’s go, coach! This is for ice time!”

 

[VladDrag]

@Beef Invictus this is game 66. They've played 65 up to this point. FYI.

Frost doesn't deserve to get scratched even if his play has dipped the last 10 games or so. I think Torts is right for once about how he needs to be a little more consistent

Awesome time for a get right game for him vs the Sharks

Over the last 10 games, the team as a whole has been shitty offensively, while being awesome defensively. Both their rolling averages for xGF and xGA/60 have dropped over that span. In other words, this team is not producing scoring chances, and are also preventing score chances against.

This is pure speculation, but since they are in a playoff push, I have to imagine that Torts is gonna push what he does best; defensive play. In some of his pressers, Torts has talks about recalibrating when the team 'turns back' (his term he uses to identify when forwards should aggressively pressure on forecheck, and when they should 'turn back' to the backcheck and establish positioning in the NZ). I would guess that the focus from the coaching staff right now is an earlier turn back and setup in the NZ, and I think that has a negative affect on scoring opportunities for everyone. From my eye, that feels like what's been happening lately as well.

I know I'm a Frost guy, and I know I have a certain bias here. I acknowledge he has not been strong offensively over the last 10 games (his defensive numbers have been pretty consistent however). But I also think it's a bit unfair to specifically call out Frost when the entire team has not been good at generating changes as a whole over the last 10 game.

 

[ajgoal]

@Beef Invictus this is game 66. They've played 65 up to this point. FYI.



Over the last 10 games, the team as a whole has been shitty offensively, while being awesome defensively. Both their rolling averages for xGF and xGA/60 have dropped over that span. In other words, this team is not producing scoring chances, and are also preventing score chances against.

This is pure speculation, but since they are in a playoff push, I have to imagine that Torts is gonna push what he does best; defensive play. In some of his pressers, Torts has talks about recalibrating when the team 'turns back' (his term he uses to identify when forwards should aggressively pressure on forecheck, and when they should 'turn back' to the backcheck and establish positioning in the NZ). I would guess that the focus from the coaching staff right now is an earlier turn back and setup in the NZ, and I think that has a negative affect on scoring opportunities for everyone. From my eye, that feels like what's been happening lately as well.

I know I'm a Frost guy, and I know I have a certain bias here. I acknowledge he has not been strong offensively over the last 10 games (his defensive numbers have been pretty consistent however). But I also think it's a bit unfair to specifically call out Frost when the entire team has not been good at generating changes as a whole over the last 10 game.

How does Frost's dip compare to the other forwards? I actually imagine it would be larger, his playstyle seems like it would take a bigger hit from a less aggressive offense.

 

[VladDrag]

How does Frost's dip compare to the other forwards? I actually imagine it would be larger, his playstyle seems like it would take a bigger hit from a less aggressive offense.

Give me some time to look into it. It's going to take some excel work to actively answer that question.

Without looking at the numbers, I would imagine that's true.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus this is game 66. They've played 65 up to this point. FYI.



Over the last 10 games, the team as a whole has been shitty offensively, while being awesome defensively. Both their rolling averages for xGF and xGA/60 have dropped over that span. In other words, this team is not producing scoring chances, and are also preventing score chances against.

This is pure speculation, but since they are in a playoff push, I have to imagine that Torts is gonna push what he does best; defensive play. In some of his pressers, Torts has talks about recalibrating when the team 'turns back' (his term he uses to identify when forwards should aggressively pressure on forecheck, and when they should 'turn back' to the backcheck and establish positioning in the NZ). I would guess that the focus from the coaching staff right now is an earlier turn back and setup in the NZ, and I think that has a negative affect on scoring opportunities for everyone. From my eye, that feels like what's been happening lately as well.

I know I'm a Frost guy, and I know I have a certain bias here. I acknowledge he has not been strong offensively over the last 10 games (his defensive numbers have been pretty consistent however). But I also think it's a bit unfair to specifically call out Frost when the entire team has not been good at generating changes as a whole over the last 10 game.

Remember how there was a stretch where I effusively praised the team's evolution towards cross-ice passing? There's been a hard stop on that. Again. I've avoided expressing my disappointment because I'd hate to sound negative. He didn't get in front of the press to whine about it and promise to make it stop, but I'd assume that Tortorella reigned it in in favor of safe, uncomplicated, unrisky north-south hockey as he prefers. That kind of thing will slaughter playmaker productivity.

As you've mentioned, we are gonna get the Tortorella special; as a priority, the end result being that they get outscored overall because you cannot simply hold on for dear life and win. It didn't work with a much better roster and goalie in NY in an era more favorable to such things. It can't work now, even though he is less extreme than he was. Safe is death.

But management does probably adore it.

 

[Cody Webster]

How does Frost's dip compare to the other forwards? I actually imagine it would be larger, his playstyle seems like it would take a bigger hit from a less aggressive offense.

@Striiker didn't your buddy shoot some facts over to Charlie a couple days ago?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Remember how there was a stretch where I effusively praised the team's evolution towards cross-ice passing? There's been a hard stop on that. Again. I've avoided expressing my disappointment because I'd hate to sound negative. He didn't get in front of the press to whine about it and promise to make it stop, but I'd assume that Tortorella reigned it in in favor of safe, uncomplicated, unrisky north-south hockey as he prefers. That kind of thing will slaughter playmaker productivity.

As you've mentioned, we are gonna get the Tortorella special; as a priority, the end result being that they get outscored overall because you cannot simply hold on for dear life and win. It didn't work with a much better roster and goalie in NY in an era more favorable to such things. It can't work now, even though he is less extreme than he was. Safe is death.

But management does probably adore it.

who was it that said "safe is death in the modern NHL"..


oh yea.

 

[Beef Invictus]

who was it that said "safe is death in the modern NHL"..


oh yea.

It's often like there's an invisible line drawn up the ice from the opposite goalpost depending on where the puck is, and thou shall not pass across that. It usually slashes chances against because there isn't anything to pick and cleanly move up ice; and it lets dmen engage free of worry about that happening. But it does make scoring a lot harder. Goalies stay on angles.

 

[Beef Invictus]

And yes, the Flyers are among the top of the league at scoring on the rush! The problem is that the gap in rush attempts between top teams and bottom teams isn't large at all. Nor is the scoring percentage on those chances high enough to produce adequate scoring to cover for the lack of production in all other situations and on the PP.

 

[Striiker]

@Striiker didn't your buddy shoot some facts over to Charlie a couple days ago?

Yeah but I don’t know why he bothers. He obviously wasn’t getting a response.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

And yes, the Flyers are among the top of the league at scoring on the rush! The problem is that the gap in rush attempts between top teams and bottom teams isn't large at all. Nor is the scoring percentage on those chances high enough to produce adequate scoring to cover for the lack of production in all other situations and on the PP.

You're getting very not positive.

 

[ajgoal]

Yeah but I don’t know why he bothers. He obviously wasn’t getting a response.

You should just tell him that you're not going to answer on twitter.

 

[VladDrag]

How does Frost's dip compare to the other forwards? I actually imagine it would be larger, his playstyle seems like it would take a bigger hit from a less aggressive offense.

I just looked at centers - it was taking too long.

This is xGF/60, with a 3-bin rolling average. Laughton, Frost, Couts all basically the same 'decrease' in xGF. Poehling doing some work in the last few games.

This is xGA. Pretty similar across the board.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

@Beef Invictus this is game 66. They've played 65 up to this point. FYI.



Over the last 10 games, the team as a whole has been shitty offensively, while being awesome defensively. Both their rolling averages for xGF and xGA/60 have dropped over that span. In other words, this team is not producing scoring chances, and are also preventing score chances against.

This is pure speculation, but since they are in a playoff push, I have to imagine that Torts is gonna push what he does best; defensive play. In some of his pressers, Torts has talks about recalibrating when the team 'turns back' (his term he uses to identify when forwards should aggressively pressure on forecheck, and when they should 'turn back' to the backcheck and establish positioning in the NZ). I would guess that the focus from the coaching staff right now is an earlier turn back and setup in the NZ, and I think that has a negative affect on scoring opportunities for everyone. From my eye, that feels like what's been happening lately as well.

I know I'm a Frost guy, and I know I have a certain bias here. I acknowledge he has not been strong offensively over the last 10 games (his defensive numbers have been pretty consistent however). But I also think it's a bit unfair to specifically call out Frost when the entire team has not been good at generating changes as a whole over the last 10 game.

I think the world of Frost, probably my favorite player on the team - need him to drive play

 

[BernieParent]

I just looked at centers - it was taking too long.

This is xGF/60, with a 3-bin rolling average. Laughton, Frost, Couts all basically the same 'decrease' in xGF. Poehling doing some work in the last few games.

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This is xGA. Pretty similar across the board.

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It's surprising to see how much Frost has fallen off over the course of the season.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

TODAY'S GDT SONG:
Another dosage of reality unfortunately with the passing of Eric Carmen. "Go All the Way" is a generational song that arouses the pleasures of young adulthood. Quite the song, one of my all-time favorites that I recently listed as a Desert Island tune; excellent cohesion and vocalist. Instead of mourning his passing, I am celebrating his contributions. Rest in Peace.

 

[VladDrag]

It's surprising to see how much Frost has fallen off over the course of the season.

That's data from the last 10 games. I didn't include the first two games within that dataset because I made a 3-bin rolling average

 

[BernieParent]

That's data from the last 10 games. I didn't include the first two games within that dataset because I made a 3-bin rolling average

Ahh, thanks for clarifying, VladDrag. It didn't seem to jive with his season-long play, so this makes sense.

 

[ajgoal]

I just looked at centers - it was taking too long.

This is xGF/60, with a 3-bin rolling average. Laughton, Frost, Couts all basically the same 'decrease' in xGF. Poehling doing some work in the last few games.

View attachment 834576

This is xGA. Pretty similar across the board.

View attachment 834578

Nice visualization. Thanks.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Get Morin out of retirement. No one left on the blue line.

I was thinking Weinrich...

Brink must have gone to Torts, ripped his shirt off and said, “Let’s go, coach! This is for ice time!”

Maybe he pulled a reverse Torts...when Torts told him he was going to be a scratch and Brink said "I'm not F****ng leaving" and then was put in the lineup.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Is Sanheim playing tonight ?

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

Is Sanheim playing tonight ?

He is probable but not yet confirmed.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

He is probable but not yet confirmed.

Thanks

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

Cam Atkinson, Nic Deslauriers and Adam Ginning appear to be the scratches.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]