GDT: #6 | Capitals at Flyers | Tuesday, October 22, 2024 | 6:00 PM Frenzy Time | ESPN

[SaSaShi]

I think part of it is as a fan you will always want your team to win. It feels dirty actually rooting for your team to lose even if it’s for the best. The only way to get a top pick though is an ugly season where there isn’t much joy involved

nope not me....I chuckled giddily when that Carlson shot banked off a dman's skate (Zamula?).

Better for the heart to miss playoffs then lose deep in playoffs. 2000 devils series still haunts me to this day....

For 2025 is better to bottom out.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

nope not me....I chuckled giddily when that Carlson shot banked off a dman's skate (Zamula?).

Better for the heart to miss playoffs then lose deep in playoffs. 2000 devils series still haunts me to this day....

For 2025 is better to bottom out.

Then you are kinda hoping large swaths of the players suck which include some we are putting some hope in in the future or players that are expendable have no value because they are terrible

 

[SaSaShi]

Then you are kinda hoping large swaths of the players suck which include some we are putting some hope in in the future or players that are expendable have no value because they are terrible

Of course I want to see Michkov, Foerster, Frost ,Farabee, Ersson do well. But yes, I want the team to get bad results this year. Tippett, Konecny I don't really care as I think both are flawed players and won't be useful when the team rebounds.

Build around your blue chippers. Michkov is one, get a 1C then you have 3 out 4 blue chippers to build around. (MM, new 1c, and hopefully Zavragin) Then you just need a 1D and the tough part of the rebuild is finished.

You add your depth players of the Frost, Foerster ilk who are much much easier to find/replace.

I think Briere as slimy as he is wants to take this route, but doesn't have enough gravitas to deal with Tortorella.

 

[mize370]

wednesdays line up Tortasmella style

Laughton cates Michkov
nick d poehling hathaway
tipper jett tk
farabee coots xxxxxxxx

Seeler drysdale
sanheim york
johnson risto
zamula

PP 1 Laughton, Poehling, tippett, Michkov, Drysdale
pp2 Cates, hathaway, jett, zamula, tk

only playing michkov because of the heat it would cause sitting him
Problems solved lmao

 

[Tripod]

It's pretty telling that I have been a fan since 1980, travelled to Ottawa to watch the Flyers live before, yet could have watched tonight's game and just didn't even care to bother. That's what they have done....made a lifelong fan not care anymore.

New era is right

Also...I thought Seeler would fix the defense? How about the whisperer? He not whispering anymore....lol.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Well, the good news is all the people who wanted to tank so they get to draft talent to play with Michkov should be happier. Hagens, Frondell, McQueen, etc. Lots of good centers in the next draft.

But boy do they suck for this season.

Yeah I won't believe it until I see it. Plenty of time for them to play themselves into 9th OA.

 

[deadhead]

They should rebuild.

They put together one of the youngest teams in the league and play like a young, inexperienced team.

God the FO sucks! This is awful to watch.

Reality check, what do you think a rebuild looks like? It's ugly as sin. Get used to it.

This is a team that is pressing, struggling to finish plays, gets caught out of position, etc.
That's what happens when you put a very young team on the ice against veteran laden teams.
They make mistakes, they make one too many passes, they don't know when to gamble.

This game came down to the Flyers blowing 3 breakaways and Couts hitting the cross bar while the Caps had two SH breakaways and scored on both. The third goal was a lucky bounce off Zamula's skate.

“Nothing is as good as it seems, and nothing is as bad as it seems. Somewhere in between lies realty.”

At some point they'll get the breaks, go on a run and think they've turned the corner.
And that will be as misleading as the current stretch.

This is a talented young team with some serious flaws, they need two top six centers and a top four LHD. And maybe a true franchise goalie (Ersson might be more suited to be a 1B).

Right now, Frost and Couts are 3C material, Poehling and Cates 4C and Laughton better at LW.
York - Sanheim are fine, but you need another pair to go with them.

On the other hand, I'm not giving up on Drysdale, he reminds me of Sanheim a few years ago when he tried to do too much on a regular basis and was a mistake waiting to happen.

TK and Tippett are pressing, but they have a tendency to go hot and cold. When they get hot the goals come in bunches.

Zamula is a placeholder as is Risto, may take two years but they're not in the future plan.

Brink is improving, but has a way to go.
Not sure there's much more in Farabee, but it might help if he had a real center.

It's going to be a long season, so will 2025-26. Rebuilds take time.

Torts won't quit, though he might strangle one of his players at some point.

 

[SaSaShi]

This is a talented young team with some serious flaws, they need two top six centers and a top four LHD. And maybe a true franchise goalie (Ersson might be more suited to be a 1B).

I agree with a lot of your post.... but

This is NOT a talented young team, I dont know how you can make that statement. The struggles are not mainly due to youth as you alluded, they are losing exactly because of a significant lack of talent across 3 levels.

Their best dman is a 3d on a cup winner
Their best C is a 3 C on a cup winner
Their best goalie is a backup on a cup winner.

 

[scumpup]

you want to talk about high end talent well the flyers have the most former first rounders of anyone in the league!

 

[deadhead]

They have very good young wings, if they had better centers, the wings would be far more productive. For the last decade, they would have 4-5 forwards and a couple D-men and the rest of the lineup was patchwork. Now they need to add a couple guys at the top but the young depth is there.

Drysdale is talented, he's really raw right now (missed a good part of three seasons and is only 22), tries too hard to make plays and makes mistakes.
York and Sanheim are fine. At some point Andrae is going to replace Zamula at 3LHD unless Zamula makes a huge turnaround.

To me, Frost is the biggest disappointment so far, another game where he really did nothing, if you think he's an average 3C that wouldn't be a big deal, but if you think he's an above average 2C as some have suggested, he's really playing well below expectations.

This season, unless they swing a big trade for a top 6 center under 25 they're stuck with Frost, Couts, Cates and Poehling. Luchanko is probably going back to the CHL and Laughton is better at LW (and best traded to make room at the TDL for a LHV forward).

 

[Kshahdoo]

wonder if MM regrets coming over early lol

Do you really think playing under Rotenberg would be better for him? I think out of two evils he made the right choice.

 

[GrkFlyersFan]

Teams sucks. Tortsy
Defense sucks. Shawsy
PP suck. Rocky

How can you slobber over this coaching staff.

Man, at a minimum I wanted to gut the assistants after last year.

 

[ellja3]

Just finished watching recording of the game parallel to work Excels, and wow...

5 home periods without goal, then one Sanheim banger, then nothing again... They attempted so much unnecessary forced plays, especially Michkov in 2nd period; and wtf were those dumb penalties. It did not really look we had any chance to win, in any fashion. But sure, ND got that pointless fight so he'll be glued to the lineup. New Era my ass.

Some people are criticising Michkov for not coming up bigger in key moments... The dude is 19 and has under 10 games in NHL... He's the only one making stuff happen, and @mr4tno is right - no one predicts his plays (yet).

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

So, you know how I've said for years that nothing will change or improve until everyone has been fired and replaced by people who have never even heard of Clarke?

Yeah

Yup. I have been saying this for as long as you have. This organization needs a enema

 

[GKJ]

the 6abc action news remix from a couple years ago by Reed Streets could be a hit

That would hit. That was the last time this franchise was any good

 

[CerpinTaxt]

That's why there SHOULD be joy.....I was expecting a mediocre team get 14th pick and another middle 6 prospect. But it looks like their attempt of a step forward will fail, which obviously is a good thing. Just get talent in the building first, then hopefully this management/ownership is replaced if they continue to stink the joint. Wishing for an Ed Snider re-incarnate.

I know it's hard to be positive, but you gotta search for and grab on to it somehow. They finish bottom 3 and grab a stud 1C, next season's excitement willl double this year's.

I mean yea all that can be done is hope they stumble ass backwards into talent cause they aren't very good at identifying it, or picking it when it falls into their laps (michkov aside). Would feel better about the losing if that was actually a part of the plan, but it's sadly a by product of ineptitude. Wish it wasn't cause I actually enjoy watching them win

 

[deadhead]

It isn't that losing is part of the plan, it's more that winning now isn't part of the plan.

Did they trade for/sign a top 6 center this offseason? Nope, even though it was an obvious hole.
Did they add defensive depth this offseason? Nope, even though they weren't happy with Ginning and Attard as their "deep" depth.
Did they pick up a proven NHL goaltender? Nope.

Have you notice how calm Torts has been in his pressers?
This is not a HC desperate to win, ready to ditch the rebuild.
They're going to ride out this season, stick with the program, and let the chips fall where they may.
Rinse and repeat next season.

 

[flyersnorth]

This game came down to the Flyers blowing 3 breakaways and Couts hitting the cross bar while the Caps had two SH breakaways and scored on both. The third goal was a lucky bounce off Zamula's skate.

I do agree with this, and said as much to my girlfriend before Torts mentioned it during one of the breaks. I know it's a lot of "ifs" but if Coots, TK, or Laughton cash in on their early high grade chances, it's a different game entirely.

Still ... 7 or 8 shots over the final two periods? That's pretty ugly. So many parts of their game look raw. I didn't like any of the lines, really. They all looked disjointed.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It would be pretty hilarious since the Flyers dynamically priced that game against the Ducks in January and have him not even be on their roster.

Assume they increased the cost of that game? Maybe I am wrong dont see people lining up just to go see or heckle Cutter.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Stop blamng C

So, you know how I've said for years that nothing will change or improve until everyone has been fired and replaced by people who have never even heard of Clarke?

Yeah

Stop blaming Clarke. It goes way beyond that. The people running this show are just incompetent and bad at their job.

Do you think Comcast/Hilf wont allow them to "rebuild"? Or do you think it is the decision of Hilf and the 3 Amigo's not to rebuild?

 

[Curufinwe]

Zamula led the team in ES TOI. Kind of strange.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It isn't that losing is part of the plan, it's more that winning now isn't part of the plan.

Did they trade for/sign a top 6 center this offseason? Nope, even though it was an obvious hole.
Did they add defensive depth this offseason? Nope, even though they weren't happy with Ginning and Attard as their "deep" depth.
Did they pick up a proven NHL goaltender? Nope.

Have you notice how calm Torts has been in his pressers?
This is not a HC desperate to win, ready to ditch the rebuild.
They're going to ride out this season, stick with the program, and let the chips fall where they may.
Rinse and repeat next season.

There is no plan. None. But hey you think they will be contending by 2027/2028. Stick wioth the program is why they are in this mess.

They didn't sign anyone because no one wants to come here. What top 6 center was available for trade? You have to give to get and the Flyers do not have much to give nor do they want to trade their average players.

The roster was set is why they didnt "add depth".

Never seen such devotion in droid.

 

[ybnvs]

It isn't that losing is part of the plan, it's more that winning now isn't part of the plan.

Winning is absolutely part of every team's plan. Torts is also a known egomaniac and also known to press on his players for wins. You are overthinking this.

ready to ditch the rebuild.

Trading Giroux at the deadline on an expiring contract and trading a dejected and [seemingly] problematic Provorov does not make whatever the Flyers are doing a rebuild.

Jones said himself it never was a rebuild.

Did they trade for/sign a top 6 center this offseason? Nope, even though it was an obvious hole.

That's because they buttf***ed themselves into being capstrapped.

Did they add defensive depth this offseason? Nope, even though they weren't happy with Ginning and Attard as their "deep" depth.

They re-signed Johnson. Ginning and Attard are #9/10.

Did they pick up a proven NHL goaltender? Nope.

Capstrapped. They paid Fedotov so he's guaranteed starts, and need to see more out of Ersson. On deck is Kolosov who they want to see too. That's all moot. They have no capspace.

Have you notice how calm Torts has been in his pressers?

Do you love him or something?

Rinse and repeat next season.

Same as it ever was. Mediocrity. Your favorite.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Wil

They should rebuild.

They put together one of the youngest teams in the league and play like a young, inexperienced team.

God the FO sucks! This is awful to watch.

Reality check, what do you think a rebuild looks like? It's ugly as sin. Get used to it.

This is a team that is pressing, struggling to finish plays, gets caught out of position, etc.
That's what happens when you put a very young team on the ice against veteran laden teams.
They make mistakes, they make one too many passes, they don't know when to gamble.

This game came down to the Flyers blowing 3 breakaways and Couts hitting the cross bar while the Caps had two SH breakaways and scored on both. The third goal was a lucky bounce off Zamula's skate.

“Nothing is as good as it seems, and nothing is as bad as it seems. Somewhere in between lies realty.”

At some point they'll get the breaks, go on a run and think they've turned the corner.
And that will be as misleading as the current stretch.

This is a talented young team with some serious flaws, they need two top six centers and a top four LHD. And maybe a true franchise goalie (Ersson might be more suited to be a 1B).

Right now, Frost and Couts are 3C material, Poehling and Cates 4C and Laughton better at LW.
York - Sanheim are fine, but you need another pair to go with them.

On the other hand, I'm not giving up on Drysdale, he reminds me of Sanheim a few years ago when he tried to do too much on a regular basis and was a mistake waiting to happen.

TK and Tippett are pressing, but they have a tendency to go hot and cold. When they get hot the goals come in bunches.

Zamula is a placeholder as is Risto, may take two years but they're not in the future plan.

Brink is improving, but has a way to go.
Not sure there's much more in Farabee, but it might help if he had a real center.

It's going to be a long season, so will 2025-26. Rebuilds take time.

Torts won't quit, though he might strangle one of his players at some point.

Will you please stop with the one of the youngest team bullshit.

Correct Torst will not quit. Only a fool would walk away from the money that is owed to him.

They are losing and it is not by design, or this so called rebuild. Chuck all over again. Losi byng accident.

They are not a talented young team. They are an average at best, vanilla, boring ass team. With not much hope for future success. They do not have anything player wise that other team also don't have in spades.

 

[MayonnaiseOreo]

But it looks like their attempt of a step forward will fail, which obviously is a good thing.

I'd be a little more inclined to agree with this if they didn't just hand out two 8 year contracts, one of which was to a one-dimensional player. The team needs to suck to properly rebuild but the front office constantly hamstrings them with these shitty contracts.