Prospect Info: 5th Overall Pick, Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP UPDATED: Signs 3 Year ELC 3/11/20

[Raccoon Jesus]

Drafting 17 year olds is an imprecise business. The Kings haven't developed a top six forward in quite some time. I will give them credit for Pearson and Toffoli, but am hard pressed to identify any after those two.

You were talking about how highly rated the Kings org was after 2003 but that organization was an absolute wasteland outside of the first round and even questionable IN the first round.

If you want to be deliberately obtuse and pretend the organization this decade hasn't been doing much with picks outside the first, I'm sorry, but that's totally divorced from reality. And the few firsts they HAVE had have been players--Pearson, Kempe, now Vilardi, and it would take a lot to say Bjornfot, Turcotte aren't going to be. Let's not go back to pretending lack of draft capital (particularly extremely high picks) = can't draft.

 

[KINGS17]

You were talking about how highly rated the Kings org was after 2003 but that organization was an absolute wasteland outside of the first round and even questionable IN the first round.

If you want to be deliberately obtuse and pretend the organization this decade hasn't been doing much with picks outside the first, I'm sorry, but that's totally divorced from reality. And the few firsts they HAVE had have been players--Pearson, Kempe, now Vilardi, and it would take a lot to say Bjornfot, Turcotte aren't going to be. Let's not go back to pretending lack of draft capital (particularly extremely high picks) = can't draft.

I am not being obtuse. Kempe is not even close to what he was projected to be by our scouts. It is a fact that the best NHL players are taken in the first two rounds. Do you deny it?

All I said was let's wait and see how it turns out before we start giving Blake high fives like we did with Taylor back in the day.

 

[tbrown33]

I am not being obtuse. Kempe is not even close to what he was projected to be by our scouts. It is a fact that the best NHL players are taken in the first two rounds. Do you deny it?

All I said was let's wait and see how it turns out before we start giving Blake high fives like we did with Taylor back in the day.

To be fair, Taylor was instrumental to both Kings' cups. High five away.

 

[Lt Dan]

That is total BS and disrespects the athleticism and will to win of one of the most talented players in the history of the franchise.

I usually respect your opinion but this is one of the worst takes ever. Show some respect to Quick, he would have been a star for whatever team drafted him.

I never disrespected Quick. I merely said that he likely would have not made it with our old development system. The Kings had a well deserved reputation for not developing prospects during that era. As gifted or hard working as an athlete is development is still a big thing.


Muzzin chose the Kings over other teams because of the reputation that had developing players in the Lombardi era


As much as people say the draft is a crap shoot, chance is an element but they aren't as big as drafting an development. If you look at the players drafted during that era, most busted and the players that went on to long careers generally excelled in other organizations.

The consensus from most of hockey was that the Kings rushed Dustin Brown would have ruined him if the lockout hadn't given him that year in Manchester.


But see for yourself

2005 Entry	11	1	Anze Kopitar	C	Sodertalje Jrs [Sweden]	1071	333	617	950	294
2005 Entry	50	2	Dany Roussin	L	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2005 Entry	60	2	T.J. Fast	D	Camrose Kodiaks [AJHL]
2005 Entry	72	3	Jonathan Quick	G	Avon Old Farms H.S. (Conn.)	643	0	19	19	58
2005 Entry	139	5	Patrik Hersley	D	Malmo Jrs [Sweden]
2005 Entry	184	6	Ryan McGinnis	D	Plymouth Whalers [OHL]
2005 Entry	206	7	Josh Meyers	D	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]
2005 Entry	226	7	John Seymour	L	Brampton Battalion [OHL]
2004 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2004 Entry	11	1	Lauri Tukonen	R	Blues [SM-liiga]	5	0	0	0	0
2004 Entry	95	3	Paul Baier	D	Deerfield Academy [Mass H.S.]
2004 Entry	110	4	Ned Lukacevic	L	Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
2004 Entry	143	5	Eric Neilson	R	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2004 Entry	174	6	Scott Parse	R	U. of Nebraska-Omaha [CCHA]	73	14	16	30	36
2004 Entry	205	7	Mike Curry	W	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]
2004 Entry	221	7	Daniel Taylor	G	Guelph Storm [OHL]	4	0	0	0	0
2004 Entry	238	8	Yutaka Fukufuji	G	Japan National Team	4	0	0	0	0
2004 Entry	264	9	Valtteri Tenkanen	C	JyP HT Jyvaskyla [SM-liiga]
2003 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2003 Entry	13	1	Dustin Brown	R	Guelph Storm [OHL]	1181	299	354	653	700
2003 Entry	26	1	Brian Boyle	C	St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.]	805	130	101	231	588
2003 Entry	27	1	Jeff Tambellini	R	U. of Michigan [CCHA]	242	27	36	63	88
2003 Entry	44	2	Konstantin Pushkarev	R	Ust-Kamenogorsk Torpedo [Rus-1]	17	2	3	5	8
2003 Entry	82	3	Ryan Munce	G	Sarnia Sting [OHL]
2003 Entry	152	5	Brady Murray	F	Salmon Arm Silverbacks [BCHL]	4	1	0	1	6
2003 Entry	174	6	Esa Pirnes	L	Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga]	57	3	8	11	12
2003 Entry	231	8	Matt Zaba	G	Vernon Vipers [BCHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2003 Entry	244	8	Mike Sullivan	C	Stouffville Spirit [OPJHL]
2003 Entry	274	9	Marty Guerin	F	Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]
2002 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2002 Entry	18	1	Denis Grebeshkov	D	Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [Russia]	234	17	68	85	114
2002 Entry	50	2	Sergei Anshakov	L	HC CSKA (Russian Jr.)
2002 Entry	66	3	Petr Kanko	L	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	10	1	0	1	0
2002 Entry	104	4	Aaron Rome	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	226	6	22	28	185
2002 Entry	115	4	Mark Rooneem	L	Kamloops Blazers [WHL]
2002 Entry	152	5	Greg Hogeboom	C	Miami University (Ohio) [CCHA]
2002 Entry	157	5	Joel Andresen	D	St. Albert Saints [AJHL]
2002 Entry	185	6	Ryan Murphy	R	Boston College [H-East]
2002 Entry	215	7	Mikhail Lyubushin	D	Krylja Sovetov [Russia]
2002 Entry	248	8	Tuukka Pulliainen	F	Tuto (Finland)
2002 Entry	279	9	Connor James	C	U. of Denver [WCHA]	16	1	0	1	2
2001 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2001 Entry	18	1	Jens Karlsson	L	Vastra Frolunda HC [SEL]
2001 Entry	30	1	Dave Steckel	C	Ohio State University [CCHA]	425	33	46	79	129
2001 Entry	49	2	Mike Cammalleri	L	U. of Michigan [CCHA]	906	294	348	642	425
2001 Entry	51	2	Jaroslav Bednar	R	HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga]	102	10	25	35	30
2001 Entry	83	3	Henrik Juntunen	L	Karpat Jrs. (Finland)
2001 Entry	116	4	Richard Petiot	D	Camrose Kodiaks [AJHL]	15	0	3	3	25
2001 Entry	152	5	Terry Denike	G	Weyburn Red Wings [SJHL]
2001 Entry	153	5	Tuukka Mantyla	D	Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga]
2001 Entry	214	7	Cristobal Huet	G	Lugano [Swiss-A]	272	0	3	3	10
2001 Entry	237	8	Mike Gabinet	D	U. of Nebraska-Omaha [CCHA]
2001 Entry	277	9	Sebastien Laplante	G	Rayside-Balfour (NOJHA)
2000 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2000 Entry	20	1	Alexander Frolov	L	Yaroslavl Torpedo [Russia]	579	175	222	397	218
2000 Entry	54	2	Andreas Lilja	D	Malmo IF [SEL]	580	16	71	87	563
2000 Entry	86	3	Yanick Lehoux	C	Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL]	10	2	2	4	6
2000 Entry	118	4	Lubomir Visnovsky	D	Bratislava Slovan [Slovak]	883	128	367	495	373
2000 Entry	165	5	Nathan Marsters	G	Chilliwack Chiefs [BCHL]
2000 Entry	201	7	Evgeny Fedorov	C	Perm Molot [Russia]
2000 Entry	206	7	Tim Eriksson	L	Vastra Frolunda Juniors (Sweden)
2000 Entry	218	7	Craig Olynick	D	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2000 Entry	245	8	Dan Welch	W	U. of Minnesota [WCHA]
2000 Entry	250	8	Flavien Conne	F	Fribourg-Gotteron HC [Swiss-A]
2000 Entry	282	9	Carl Grahn	G	Kalpa Jrs. (Finland)
1999 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1999 Entry	43	2	Andrei Shefer	D	Cherepovets Severstal [Russia]
1999 Entry	74	3	Jason Crain	D	Ohio State University [CCHA]
1999 Entry	76	3	Frantisek Kaberle	D	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SEL]	523	29	164	193	218
1999 Entry	92	3	Cory Campbell	G	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
1999 Entry	104	4	Brian McGrattan	R	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	317	10	17	27	609
1999 Entry	125	4	Daniel Johansson	C	MoDo Jr. (Sweden)
1999 Entry	133	5	Jean-Francois Nogues	G	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
1999 Entry	193	7	Kevin Baker	R	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
1999 Entry	222	8	George Parros	R	Chicago Freeze [NAHL]	474	18	18	36	1092
1999 Entry	250	9	Noah Clarke	L	Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]	21	3	1	4	4
1998 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1998 Entry	21	1	Mathieu Biron	D	Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL]	253	12	32	44	177
1998 Entry	46	2	Justin Papineau	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]	81	11	8	19	12
1998 Entry	76	3	Alexei Volkov	G	Krylja-2 Sovetov (Russia)
1998 Entry	103	4	Kip Brennan	L	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	61	1	1	2	222
1998 Entry	133	5	Joe Rullier	D	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
1998 Entry	163	6	Tomas Zizka	D	Zlin ZPS HC [Czech]	25	2	6	8	16
1998 Entry	190	7	Tommi Hannus	F	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]
1998 Entry	217	8	Jim Henkel	C	New England Jr. Coyotes (EJHL)
1998 Entry	248	9	Matthew Yeats	G	Olds Grizzlys [AJHL]	5	0	0	0	2
1997 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1997 Entry	3	1	Olli Jokinen	C	HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga]	1231	321	429	750	1071
1997 Entry	15	1	Matt Zultek	L	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
1997 Entry	29	2	Scott Barney	R	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	27	5	6	11	4
1997 Entry	83	4	Joe Corvo	D	Western Michigan University [CCHA]	708	92	218	310	241
1997 Entry	99	4	Sean Blanchard	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
1997 Entry	137	6	Richard Seeley	D	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
1997 Entry	150	6	Jeff Katcher	D	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]
1997 Entry	193	8	Jay Kopischke	L	North Iowa Huskies [USHL]

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vs

2015 Entry	43	2	Erik Cernak	D	Kosice HC [Slovak]	124	10	18	28	115
2015 Entry	74	3	Alexander Dergachyov	C	St. Petersburg Jrs. (Russia)
2015 Entry	99	4	Austin Wagner	L	Regina Pats [WHL]	125	17	14	31	50
2015 Entry	134	5	Matt Schmalz	R	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]
2015 Entry	187	7	Chaz Reddekopp	D	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2015 Entry	194	7	Matt Roy	D	Michigan Tech [WCHA]	93	6	17	23	16
2014 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2014 Entry	29	1	Adrian Kempe	C	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	254	41	61	102	134
2014 Entry	50	2	Roland McKeown	D	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	10	0	3	3	19
2014 Entry	60	2	Alex Lintuniemi	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
2014 Entry	90	3	Mike Amadio	C	North Bay Battalion [OHL]	146	16	21	37	24
2014 Entry	120	4	Steven Johnson	D	Omaha Lancers [USHL]
2014 Entry	150	5	Alec Dillon	G	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2014 Entry	157	6	Jake Marchment	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2014 Entry	180	6	Matthew Mistele	L	Plymouth Whalers [OHL]
2014 Entry	209	7	Spencer Watson	R	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]
2014 Entry	210	7	Jacob Middleton	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	13	0	3	3	11
2013 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	37	2	Valentin Zykov	L	Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL]	55	7	10	17	10
2013 Entry	103	4	Justin Auger	R	Guelph Storm [OHL]	2	0	0	0	0
2013 Entry	118	4	Hudson Fasching	R	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	22	1	2	3	8
2013 Entry	146	5	Patrik Bartosak	G	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]
2013 Entry	148	5	Jonny Brodzinski	C	St. Cloud State [WCHA]	57	6	6	12	10
2013 Entry	178	6	Zac Leslie	D	Guelph Storm [OHL]
2013 Entry	191	7	Dominik Kubalik	L	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	67	29	16	45	16
2012 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2012 Entry	30	1	Tanner Pearson	L	Barrie Colts [OHL]	456	108	107	215	132
2012 Entry	121	4	Nikolay Prokhorkin	L	CSKA Moscow [KHL]	41	4	9	13	6
2012 Entry	151	5	Colin Miller	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	300	23	87	110	213
2012 Entry	171	6	Tomas Hyka	R	Gatineau Olympiques [QMJHL]	27	2	5	7	2
2012 Entry	181	6	Paul Ladue	D	Lincoln Stars [USHL]	69	5	13	18	22
2012 Entry	211	7	Nick Ebert	D	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]
2011 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2011 Entry	49	2	Christopher Gibson	G	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]	14	0	0	0	0
2011 Entry	80	3	Andy Andreoff	L	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	173	13	12	25	216
2011 Entry	82	3	Nick Shore	C	U. of Denver [WCHA]	297	18	41	59	98
2011 Entry	110	4	Michael Mersch	F	U. of Wisconsin [WCHA]	17	1	2	3	0
2011 Entry	140	5	Joel Lowry	F	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2011 Entry	200	7	Michael Schumacher	L	Frolunda Jr. [Sweden]
2010 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2010 Entry	15	1	Derek Forbort	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	275	6	47	53	176
2010 Entry	47	2	Tyler Toffoli	R	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	524	144	154	298	150
2010 Entry	70	3	Jordan Weal	C	Regina Pats [WHL]	217	32	37	69	56
2010 Entry	148	5	Kevin Gravel	D	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]	109	1	12	13	12
2010 Entry	158	6	Maxim Kitsyn	L	Novokuznetsk Metallurg [KHL]
2009 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2009 Entry	5	1	Brayden Schenn	C	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	656	179	250	429	357
2009 Entry	35	2	Kyle Clifford	L	Barrie Colts [OHL]	675	61	71	132	842
2009 Entry	84	3	Nicolas Deslauriers	L	Rouyn-Noranda Huskies [QMJHL]	374	28	31	59	355
2009 Entry	95	4	J.F. Berube	G	Montreal Juniors [QMJHL]	34	0	0	0	0
2009 Entry	96	4	Linden Vey	R	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	138	14	30	44	24
2009 Entry	126	5	David Kolomatis	D	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]
2009 Entry	156	6	Michael Pelech	F	Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL]
2009 Entry	179	6	Brandon Kozun	R	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	20	2	2	4	6
2009 Entry	186	7	Jordan Nolan	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	375	24	28	52	347
2009 Entry	198	7	Nic Dowd	C	Wenatchee Wild [NAHL]	250	24	39	63	103
2008 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2008 Entry	2	1	Drew Doughty	D	Guelph Storm [OHL]	917	117	383	500	631
2008 Entry	13	1	Colten Teubert	D	Regina Pats [WHL]	24	0	1	1	25
2008 Entry	32	2	Vyacheslav Voynov	D	Chelyabinsk Traktor [Russia]	190	18	63	81	72
2008 Entry	63	3	Robert Czarnik	C	US National Under 18 Team
2008 Entry	74	3	Andrew Campbell	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	42	0	2	2	12
2008 Entry	88	3	Geordie Wudrick	L	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]
2008 Entry	123	5	Andrei Loktionov	C	Yaroslavl Jrs. (Russia)	155	22	26	48	22
2008 Entry	153	6	Justin Azevedo	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]
2008 Entry	183	7	Garrett Roe	L	St. Cloud State [WCHA]
2007 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2007 Entry	4	1	Thomas Hickey	D	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	449	22	93	115	190
2007 Entry	52	2	Oscar Moller	R	Chilliwack Bruins [WHL]	87	12	14	26	22
2007 Entry	61	2	Wayne Simmonds	R	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]	908	251	248	499	1123
2007 Entry	82	3	Bryan Cameron	R	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2007 Entry	95	4	Alec Martinez	D	Miami University (Ohio) [CCHA]	606	64	141	205	191
2007 Entry	109	4	Dwight King	L	Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL]	365	53	56	109	98
2007 Entry	124	5	Linden Rowat	G	Regina Pats [WHL]
2007 Entry	137	5	Joshua "Podge" Turnbull	C	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
2007 Entry	184	7	Josh Kidd	D	Erie Otters [OHL]
2007 Entry	188	7	Matt Fillier	L	St. John's Fog Devils [QMJHL]
2006 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2006 Entry	11	1	Jonathan Bernier	G	Lewiston MAINEiacs [QMJHL]	369	0	8	8	14
2006 Entry	17	1	Trevor Lewis	C	Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]	672	69	93	162	171
2006 Entry	48	2	Joey Ryan	D	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]
2006 Entry	74	3	Jeff Zatkoff	G	Miami University (Ohio) [CCHA]	48	0	1	1	0
2006 Entry	86	3	George "Bud" Holloway	R	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2006 Entry	114	4	Niclas Andersen	D	Leksands IF [SEL]
2006 Entry	134	5	David Meckler	L	Yale University [ECAC]
2006 Entry	144	5	Martin Nolet	D	College Champlain Cougars [QJAAAHL]

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There is a pretty big difference in the guys who had NHL careers in the second subset than the first
and remember that

Olli J really blossomed in Florida after his time with the Kings and islanders
Aaron Rome didn't play a single game as a King
Steckel didn't play a single game as a King

 

[redcard]

2011: No 1st
2012: Won cup, 30th pick (Pearson)
2013: No 1st
2014: Won cup, 29th pick (Kempe)
2015: No 1st
2016: No 1st

The only forward we took in the 2nd round of any of those 6 drafts was Zykov in 2013.

That's why we haven't developed top 6 forwards.

Compare that to:

2017: Vilardi, JAD
2018: Kupari, Thomas
2019: Turcotte, Kaliyev, Fagemo

 

[KINGS17]

To be fair, Taylor was instrumental to both Kings' cups. High five away.

If I had to break it down into a percentage, I would say 85% Lombardi, 15% Taylor. Atta boy Dave.

 

[kings11]

I never disrespected Quick. I merely said that he likely would have not made it with our old development system. The Kings had a well deserved reputation for not developing prospects during that era. As gifted or hard working as an athlete is development is still a big thing.


Muzzin chose the Kings over other teams because of the reputation that had developing players in the Lombardi era


As much as people say the draft is a crap shoot, chance is an element but they aren't as big as drafting an development. If you look at the players drafted during that era, most busted and the players that went on to long careers generally excelled in other organizations.

The consensus from most of hockey was that the Kings rushed Dustin Brown would have ruined him if the lockout hadn't given him that year in Manchester.


But see for yourself

2005 Entry	11	1	Anze Kopitar	C	Sodertalje Jrs [Sweden]	1071	333	617	950	294
2005 Entry	50	2	Dany Roussin	L	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2005 Entry	60	2	T.J. Fast	D	Camrose Kodiaks [AJHL]
2005 Entry	72	3	Jonathan Quick	G	Avon Old Farms H.S. (Conn.)	643	0	19	19	58
2005 Entry	139	5	Patrik Hersley	D	Malmo Jrs [Sweden]
2005 Entry	184	6	Ryan McGinnis	D	Plymouth Whalers [OHL]
2005 Entry	206	7	Josh Meyers	D	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]
2005 Entry	226	7	John Seymour	L	Brampton Battalion [OHL]
2004 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2004 Entry	11	1	Lauri Tukonen	R	Blues [SM-liiga]	5	0	0	0	0
2004 Entry	95	3	Paul Baier	D	Deerfield Academy [Mass H.S.]
2004 Entry	110	4	Ned Lukacevic	L	Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
2004 Entry	143	5	Eric Neilson	R	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2004 Entry	174	6	Scott Parse	R	U. of Nebraska-Omaha [CCHA]	73	14	16	30	36
2004 Entry	205	7	Mike Curry	W	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]
2004 Entry	221	7	Daniel Taylor	G	Guelph Storm [OHL]	4	0	0	0	0
2004 Entry	238	8	Yutaka Fukufuji	G	Japan National Team	4	0	0	0	0
2004 Entry	264	9	Valtteri Tenkanen	C	JyP HT Jyvaskyla [SM-liiga]
2003 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2003 Entry	13	1	Dustin Brown	R	Guelph Storm [OHL]	1181	299	354	653	700
2003 Entry	26	1	Brian Boyle	C	St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.]	805	130	101	231	588
2003 Entry	27	1	Jeff Tambellini	R	U. of Michigan [CCHA]	242	27	36	63	88
2003 Entry	44	2	Konstantin Pushkarev	R	Ust-Kamenogorsk Torpedo [Rus-1]	17	2	3	5	8
2003 Entry	82	3	Ryan Munce	G	Sarnia Sting [OHL]
2003 Entry	152	5	Brady Murray	F	Salmon Arm Silverbacks [BCHL]	4	1	0	1	6
2003 Entry	174	6	Esa Pirnes	L	Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga]	57	3	8	11	12
2003 Entry	231	8	Matt Zaba	G	Vernon Vipers [BCHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2003 Entry	244	8	Mike Sullivan	C	Stouffville Spirit [OPJHL]
2003 Entry	274	9	Marty Guerin	F	Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]
2002 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2002 Entry	18	1	Denis Grebeshkov	D	Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [Russia]	234	17	68	85	114
2002 Entry	50	2	Sergei Anshakov	L	HC CSKA (Russian Jr.)
2002 Entry	66	3	Petr Kanko	L	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	10	1	0	1	0
2002 Entry	104	4	Aaron Rome	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	226	6	22	28	185
2002 Entry	115	4	Mark Rooneem	L	Kamloops Blazers [WHL]
2002 Entry	152	5	Greg Hogeboom	C	Miami University (Ohio) [CCHA]
2002 Entry	157	5	Joel Andresen	D	St. Albert Saints [AJHL]
2002 Entry	185	6	Ryan Murphy	R	Boston College [H-East]
2002 Entry	215	7	Mikhail Lyubushin	D	Krylja Sovetov [Russia]
2002 Entry	248	8	Tuukka Pulliainen	F	Tuto (Finland)
2002 Entry	279	9	Connor James	C	U. of Denver [WCHA]	16	1	0	1	2
2001 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2001 Entry	18	1	Jens Karlsson	L	Vastra Frolunda HC [SEL]
2001 Entry	30	1	Dave Steckel	C	Ohio State University [CCHA]	425	33	46	79	129
2001 Entry	49	2	Mike Cammalleri	L	U. of Michigan [CCHA]	906	294	348	642	425
2001 Entry	51	2	Jaroslav Bednar	R	HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga]	102	10	25	35	30
2001 Entry	83	3	Henrik Juntunen	L	Karpat Jrs. (Finland)
2001 Entry	116	4	Richard Petiot	D	Camrose Kodiaks [AJHL]	15	0	3	3	25
2001 Entry	152	5	Terry Denike	G	Weyburn Red Wings [SJHL]
2001 Entry	153	5	Tuukka Mantyla	D	Tappara Tampere [SM-liiga]
2001 Entry	214	7	Cristobal Huet	G	Lugano [Swiss-A]	272	0	3	3	10
2001 Entry	237	8	Mike Gabinet	D	U. of Nebraska-Omaha [CCHA]
2001 Entry	277	9	Sebastien Laplante	G	Rayside-Balfour (NOJHA)
2000 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2000 Entry	20	1	Alexander Frolov	L	Yaroslavl Torpedo [Russia]	579	175	222	397	218
2000 Entry	54	2	Andreas Lilja	D	Malmo IF [SEL]	580	16	71	87	563
2000 Entry	86	3	Yanick Lehoux	C	Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL]	10	2	2	4	6
2000 Entry	118	4	Lubomir Visnovsky	D	Bratislava Slovan [Slovak]	883	128	367	495	373
2000 Entry	165	5	Nathan Marsters	G	Chilliwack Chiefs [BCHL]
2000 Entry	201	7	Evgeny Fedorov	C	Perm Molot [Russia]
2000 Entry	206	7	Tim Eriksson	L	Vastra Frolunda Juniors (Sweden)
2000 Entry	218	7	Craig Olynick	D	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2000 Entry	245	8	Dan Welch	W	U. of Minnesota [WCHA]
2000 Entry	250	8	Flavien Conne	F	Fribourg-Gotteron HC [Swiss-A]
2000 Entry	282	9	Carl Grahn	G	Kalpa Jrs. (Finland)
1999 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1999 Entry	43	2	Andrei Shefer	D	Cherepovets Severstal [Russia]
1999 Entry	74	3	Jason Crain	D	Ohio State University [CCHA]
1999 Entry	76	3	Frantisek Kaberle	D	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SEL]	523	29	164	193	218
1999 Entry	92	3	Cory Campbell	G	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
1999 Entry	104	4	Brian McGrattan	R	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	317	10	17	27	609
1999 Entry	125	4	Daniel Johansson	C	MoDo Jr. (Sweden)
1999 Entry	133	5	Jean-Francois Nogues	G	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
1999 Entry	193	7	Kevin Baker	R	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
1999 Entry	222	8	George Parros	R	Chicago Freeze [NAHL]	474	18	18	36	1092
1999 Entry	250	9	Noah Clarke	L	Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]	21	3	1	4	4
1998 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1998 Entry	21	1	Mathieu Biron	D	Shawinigan Cataractes [QMJHL]	253	12	32	44	177
1998 Entry	46	2	Justin Papineau	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]	81	11	8	19	12
1998 Entry	76	3	Alexei Volkov	G	Krylja-2 Sovetov (Russia)
1998 Entry	103	4	Kip Brennan	L	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	61	1	1	2	222
1998 Entry	133	5	Joe Rullier	D	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
1998 Entry	163	6	Tomas Zizka	D	Zlin ZPS HC [Czech]	25	2	6	8	16
1998 Entry	190	7	Tommi Hannus	F	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]
1998 Entry	217	8	Jim Henkel	C	New England Jr. Coyotes (EJHL)
1998 Entry	248	9	Matthew Yeats	G	Olds Grizzlys [AJHL]	5	0	0	0	2
1997 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1997 Entry	3	1	Olli Jokinen	C	HIFK Helsinki [SM-liiga]	1231	321	429	750	1071
1997 Entry	15	1	Matt Zultek	L	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
1997 Entry	29	2	Scott Barney	R	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	27	5	6	11	4
1997 Entry	83	4	Joe Corvo	D	Western Michigan University [CCHA]	708	92	218	310	241
1997 Entry	99	4	Sean Blanchard	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
1997 Entry	137	6	Richard Seeley	D	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
1997 Entry	150	6	Jeff Katcher	D	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]
1997 Entry	193	8	Jay Kopischke	L	North Iowa Huskies [USHL]

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vs

2015 Entry	43	2	Erik Cernak	D	Kosice HC [Slovak]	124	10	18	28	115
2015 Entry	74	3	Alexander Dergachyov	C	St. Petersburg Jrs. (Russia)
2015 Entry	99	4	Austin Wagner	L	Regina Pats [WHL]	125	17	14	31	50
2015 Entry	134	5	Matt Schmalz	R	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]
2015 Entry	187	7	Chaz Reddekopp	D	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2015 Entry	194	7	Matt Roy	D	Michigan Tech [WCHA]	93	6	17	23	16
2014 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2014 Entry	29	1	Adrian Kempe	C	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	254	41	61	102	134
2014 Entry	50	2	Roland McKeown	D	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	10	0	3	3	19
2014 Entry	60	2	Alex Lintuniemi	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
2014 Entry	90	3	Mike Amadio	C	North Bay Battalion [OHL]	146	16	21	37	24
2014 Entry	120	4	Steven Johnson	D	Omaha Lancers [USHL]
2014 Entry	150	5	Alec Dillon	G	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2014 Entry	157	6	Jake Marchment	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2014 Entry	180	6	Matthew Mistele	L	Plymouth Whalers [OHL]
2014 Entry	209	7	Spencer Watson	R	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]
2014 Entry	210	7	Jacob Middleton	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	13	0	3	3	11
2013 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	37	2	Valentin Zykov	L	Baie-Comeau Drakkar [QMJHL]	55	7	10	17	10
2013 Entry	103	4	Justin Auger	R	Guelph Storm [OHL]	2	0	0	0	0
2013 Entry	118	4	Hudson Fasching	R	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	22	1	2	3	8
2013 Entry	146	5	Patrik Bartosak	G	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]
2013 Entry	148	5	Jonny Brodzinski	C	St. Cloud State [WCHA]	57	6	6	12	10
2013 Entry	178	6	Zac Leslie	D	Guelph Storm [OHL]
2013 Entry	191	7	Dominik Kubalik	L	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	67	29	16	45	16
2012 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2012 Entry	30	1	Tanner Pearson	L	Barrie Colts [OHL]	456	108	107	215	132
2012 Entry	121	4	Nikolay Prokhorkin	L	CSKA Moscow [KHL]	41	4	9	13	6
2012 Entry	151	5	Colin Miller	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	300	23	87	110	213
2012 Entry	171	6	Tomas Hyka	R	Gatineau Olympiques [QMJHL]	27	2	5	7	2
2012 Entry	181	6	Paul Ladue	D	Lincoln Stars [USHL]	69	5	13	18	22
2012 Entry	211	7	Nick Ebert	D	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]
2011 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2011 Entry	49	2	Christopher Gibson	G	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]	14	0	0	0	0
2011 Entry	80	3	Andy Andreoff	L	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	173	13	12	25	216
2011 Entry	82	3	Nick Shore	C	U. of Denver [WCHA]	297	18	41	59	98
2011 Entry	110	4	Michael Mersch	F	U. of Wisconsin [WCHA]	17	1	2	3	0
2011 Entry	140	5	Joel Lowry	F	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2011 Entry	200	7	Michael Schumacher	L	Frolunda Jr. [Sweden]
2010 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2010 Entry	15	1	Derek Forbort	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]	275	6	47	53	176
2010 Entry	47	2	Tyler Toffoli	R	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	524	144	154	298	150
2010 Entry	70	3	Jordan Weal	C	Regina Pats [WHL]	217	32	37	69	56
2010 Entry	148	5	Kevin Gravel	D	Sioux City Musketeers [USHL]	109	1	12	13	12
2010 Entry	158	6	Maxim Kitsyn	L	Novokuznetsk Metallurg [KHL]
2009 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2009 Entry	5	1	Brayden Schenn	C	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	656	179	250	429	357
2009 Entry	35	2	Kyle Clifford	L	Barrie Colts [OHL]	675	61	71	132	842
2009 Entry	84	3	Nicolas Deslauriers	L	Rouyn-Noranda Huskies [QMJHL]	374	28	31	59	355
2009 Entry	95	4	J.F. Berube	G	Montreal Juniors [QMJHL]	34	0	0	0	0
2009 Entry	96	4	Linden Vey	R	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	138	14	30	44	24
2009 Entry	126	5	David Kolomatis	D	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]
2009 Entry	156	6	Michael Pelech	F	Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL]
2009 Entry	179	6	Brandon Kozun	R	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	20	2	2	4	6
2009 Entry	186	7	Jordan Nolan	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	375	24	28	52	347
2009 Entry	198	7	Nic Dowd	C	Wenatchee Wild [NAHL]	250	24	39	63	103
2008 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2008 Entry	2	1	Drew Doughty	D	Guelph Storm [OHL]	917	117	383	500	631
2008 Entry	13	1	Colten Teubert	D	Regina Pats [WHL]	24	0	1	1	25
2008 Entry	32	2	Vyacheslav Voynov	D	Chelyabinsk Traktor [Russia]	190	18	63	81	72
2008 Entry	63	3	Robert Czarnik	C	US National Under 18 Team
2008 Entry	74	3	Andrew Campbell	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	42	0	2	2	12
2008 Entry	88	3	Geordie Wudrick	L	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]
2008 Entry	123	5	Andrei Loktionov	C	Yaroslavl Jrs. (Russia)	155	22	26	48	22
2008 Entry	153	6	Justin Azevedo	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]
2008 Entry	183	7	Garrett Roe	L	St. Cloud State [WCHA]
2007 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2007 Entry	4	1	Thomas Hickey	D	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	449	22	93	115	190
2007 Entry	52	2	Oscar Moller	R	Chilliwack Bruins [WHL]	87	12	14	26	22
2007 Entry	61	2	Wayne Simmonds	R	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]	908	251	248	499	1123
2007 Entry	82	3	Bryan Cameron	R	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2007 Entry	95	4	Alec Martinez	D	Miami University (Ohio) [CCHA]	606	64	141	205	191
2007 Entry	109	4	Dwight King	L	Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL]	365	53	56	109	98
2007 Entry	124	5	Linden Rowat	G	Regina Pats [WHL]
2007 Entry	137	5	Joshua "Podge" Turnbull	C	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
2007 Entry	184	7	Josh Kidd	D	Erie Otters [OHL]
2007 Entry	188	7	Matt Fillier	L	St. John's Fog Devils [QMJHL]
2006 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2006 Entry	11	1	Jonathan Bernier	G	Lewiston MAINEiacs [QMJHL]	369	0	8	8	14
2006 Entry	17	1	Trevor Lewis	C	Des Moines Buccaneers [USHL]	672	69	93	162	171
2006 Entry	48	2	Joey Ryan	D	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]
2006 Entry	74	3	Jeff Zatkoff	G	Miami University (Ohio) [CCHA]	48	0	1	1	0
2006 Entry	86	3	George "Bud" Holloway	R	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2006 Entry	114	4	Niclas Andersen	D	Leksands IF [SEL]
2006 Entry	134	5	David Meckler	L	Yale University [ECAC]
2006 Entry	144	5	Martin Nolet	D	College Champlain Cougars [QJAAAHL]

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There is a pretty big difference in the guys who had NHL careers in the second subset than the first
and remember that

Olli J really blossomed in Florida after his time with the Kings and islanders
Aaron Rome didn't play a single game as a King
Steckel didn't play a single game as a King

Long, loooong ass post LT.. good shit tho
Dave and Co did a good job in landing Kopitar, Quick and Brown as cornerstones.. Obviously DL and Co did great as well but those 3 guys represented a good percentage of the Kings winning ways..
As for DL, he did draft a few top 6 guys Schenn, Simmonds, Toffoli, Pearson and if not for that terrible Lucic trade we likely land Kyle Connor. Our defense was also built and stacked thanks to DL's philosophy, unfortunately we lost out on a big future piece in Erik Cernak...

Where I give Blake and Co the edge so far has been in their ability to get the most out of an entire draft and pick out kids with legit NHL talent throughout all rounds...
Vilardi >> Schenn... yes, way too early to tell but so far you can see the difference at the same age and one guy just came back after a nearly 2 year hiatus..
Bjornfot>>Voynov
Anderson>>Martinez
Kaliyev>>Toffoli
When I say >>, i'm talking about at the same age and development. These kids are farther along the curve than their predecessors which is why "I" think Blake and Co have done a better job.
I didnt include Turcotte, Ingham, Parik, Clague, JAD, Thomas, Fagemo, Kupari, Hukts and others that are likely to surprise..

 

[cyclones22]

Here's what happened the last time the Kings had the number 1 (at least according to Hockey's Future) prospect pool: Read this

The Decline of the Kings' Prospect Pool

A crap ton of those guys played in the NHL and were big contributors to the 2012 and 2014 Cups. It's also a sobering reminder of how fast you can go from the top to the bottom. As stated by others, the key is not thinking that every single one of the players on the Top 25 list is going to play for the Kings, but that some of them can/will be traded for players who WILL play for the Kings. The Kings prospect pool is currency. Besides investing in that currency to try and realize the value potential, you can also use it to trade from something more tangible like an NHL roster player.

 

[Lt Dan]

Long, loooong ass post LT.. good shit tho
Dave and Co did a good job in landing Kopitar, Quick and Brown as cornerstones.. Obviously DL and Co did great as well but those 3 guys represented a good percentage of the Kings winning ways..
As for DL, he did draft a few top 6 guys Schenn, Simmonds, Toffoli, Pearson and if not for that terrible Lucic trade we likely land Kyle Connor. Our defense was also built and stacked thanks to DL's philosophy, unfortunately we lost out on a big future piece in Erik Cernak...

Where I give Blake and Co the edge so far has been in their ability to get the most out of an entire draft and pick out kids with legit NHL talent throughout all rounds...
Vilardi >> Schenn... yes, way too early to tell but so far you can see the difference at the same age and one guy just came back after a nearly 2 year hiatus..
Bjornfot>>Voynov
Anderson>>Martinez
Kaliyev>>Toffoli
When I say >>, i'm talking about at the same age and development. These kids are farther along the curve than their predecessors which is why "I" think Blake and Co have done a better job.
I didnt include Turcotte, Ingham, Parik, Clague, JAD, Thomas, Fagemo, Kupari, Hukts and others that are likely to surprise..

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[King'sPawn]

I wouldn't say he was handed Quick

Taylor's regime may have drafted him but Lombardi gets all the credit for developing him. If the regime change hadn't happened, Quick would have been another Daniel Taylor, Yutaka Fukufuji, Ryan Munce, Matt Zaba, Terry Denike, Sebastien Laplante, Nathan Marsters, or Carl Grahn

Agree completely with this.

Full credit to Quick for the career he carved out, but DL brought in the right staff to bring the best out of Quick to have a great career.

 

[kings11]

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SOB!!! lol, i'm still banned

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I am not being obtuse. Kempe is not even close to what he was projected to be by our scouts. It is a fact that the best NHL players are taken in the first two rounds. Do you deny it?

All I said was let's wait and see how it turns out before we start giving Blake high fives like we did with Taylor back in the day.

Who is denying that?

Sounds like you're agreeing with me, then--the lack of picks in those rounds is the problem, not some mystical issue with drafting. "the Kings haven't developed an impact forward since Tyler Toffoli" is a literally factual statement but one dishonestly made repeatedly by a bunch of posters looking to ignore context so they can bash drafting.

And yeah, if you can't see the difference between 2003 and 2020, you are being deliberately obtuse or simply not looking.

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

Oh cool, another thread that has basically turned into a Blake vs DL debate.

 

[redcard]

Alex probably sat in class today wondering what the f*** he was doing there and why Blake hadn't responded to his text

 

[LAKings88]

Friedman was on Spittin Chiclets talking about offer sheet possibilities. Teams are researching the draft and after the first overall pick there is no guarantee on players turning out. Might be worth offer-sheeting guys from an analytic point. (Barzal/Matthews type star players being know quantities)

 

[kings11]

Friedman was on Spittin Chiclets talking about offer sheet possibilities. Teams are researching the draft and after the first overall pick there is no guarantee on players turning out. Might be worth offer-sheeting guys from an analytic point. (Barzal/Matthews type star players being know quantities)

Is this before or after we win the Lafrenière sweepstakes??

 

[Herby]

No, no. I get it. How many times have the Kings had the best prospect pool and then nothing? Herby's scepticism is warranted.

I hope my views on Turcotte are not seen as skepticism, I still believe he has a chance to be a 2nd line center in the NHL. My issue is how the Kings and his advisors handle his development going forward, as I said in the other post, it't not like he was bad by any stretch, but I think it's fair to say that the Kings hoped for a little bit more of a step this season from Turcotte. I just have serious doubts about throwing a 19 year old kid who struggled many weekends with the physicality and level of play in the Big Ten into professional hockey, because frankly it has greatly diminished the potential of many similar players. Casey Mittelstadt never in a million years should have left college, he was thrown into a situation he wasn't ready for and it's very likely that he never lives up to his billing as a #8 pick. Oliver Wahlstrom could be heading down the same path, another guy who had no business being thrown into pro hockey, very likely going to have long-term negative effects on him as a prospect.

I honestly had thought he was going to sign, and still do, but the more it drags on the less likely it is. If he isn't signed by the end of this week then he is at the very least heavily weighing his decision.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I honestly think Alex signs. He has stated he wants to play in the NHL as quickly as possible...that would also mean choosing the AHL over Wisconsin Badger Hockey....it's pro and being part of the Kings....with his goal to make the Kings, out of camp, though. He's been to camp and knows that others are going pro now as well, after this season; Akil Thomas and he's been staying in contact with Bjornfot all year. So he knows from Bjornfot's experience, what it's been like for him in Ontario. He wants to be part of the next group of Kings and he knows that JAD, Vilardi, Bjornfot and Anderson have already played some NHL games.
Even Madden and Kaliyev could sign too. In Kaliyev's case, he probably does not make the Kings and has to go back to Hamilton - but yet, Kaliyev will have a shot to make it. He also knows Fagemo will probably be in Ontario as well.
I'm sure that's in the forefront of his mind - wanting to be part of this group NOW and not wanting to be a Sophomore at Wisconsin - that puts him another year behind his goal.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I don’t trust the Kings to do anything right.

It was a nice break/dream we had from 2010-2014, but historically, realistically, this franchise just constantly f***s up.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Oh cool, another thread that has basically turned into a Blake vs DL debate.

Im just waiting for the prohorkin v Kubalik portion of this thread

 

[kilowatt]

I am not being obtuse. Kempe is not even close to what he was projected to be by our scouts. It is a fact that the best NHL players are taken in the first two rounds. Do you deny it?

All I said was let's wait and see how it turns out before we start giving Blake high fives like we did with Taylor back in the day.

Kempe is a very good-sized winger with a frame ready for more weight. He already has a season of SHL play behind him, made possible by his ability and willingness to do whatever the coach asked of him, taking on a primarily third- or fourth-line role. He is active in all three zones and doesn’t hesitate to use his body in many capacities. Kempe is not shy to throw or take a hit to get a job done. He has a confident mentality and is clearly knowledgeable about what he can do and where he’s going in the next few years. His mean streak and distaste for losing drive him to compete. Skating-wise, Kempe gains good speed and has a nice, fluent stride; moving well laterally. In the offensive zone he heads for the net with every opportunity and can be quite vicious in fighting for pucks in and around the goal mouth. When he has the time coming off the wing, he can lay on a heavy, precise shot. He is best when he concentrates on playing his wing in a back-and-forth lane function and being allowed to remain active there. Kempe loves to battle for pucks and often comes out of corners with them in tow. He knows how to put defenders on their heels, thus creating space for his teammates and creating good offensive attacks. He has displayed good hands and a good understanding of the game and is very coachable.

https://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/adrian-kempe/

February 2014 – Kempe has an excellent frame that moves extremely well chasing down loose pucks with an aggressive pursuit often initiating contact and engaging in puck battles with great success. His north-south style of game combines well with his strong skating stride as this power forward puts defenders on their heels with his unrelenting attack. Kempe drives the net hard and shows good puck handling ability, especially in the dirty areas of the rink.

Adrian Kempe

Widely projected as a top-20 pick, Kempe's strength is his big body and his dynamic skating ability. Scouting reports describe him as a "power winger," who is willing to throw the body and doesn't hesitate when driving the net.

Scouting Report: Adrian Kempe, C/LW, Modo (SHL)

NHL Potential: Top-nine power forward winger that can play center and powerplay minutes.

https://thehockeywriters.com/adrian-kempe-prospect-profile/

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These all seem pretty dead on if I'm being honest. Even Yannetti's scouting report on Kempe is pretty spot on for what he is:

"In terms of what type of player, he’s actually I don’t want to say a ready-made Kings player, but in terms of how we like to build the team and what we value in terms of what people call “heavy play” and “competitiveness,” those are things that are already present in his game. He has a heavy element. He borders on an elite skater. His size – obviously you took a look at him on stage if you saw him – he’s still got to fill out, but he’s going to be a very big kid, but he plays the game with purpose so it’s not just a random collection of tools. He plays the style of game we play already. I would say maybe the biggest deficiency in his game would be in terms of just fundamental puck protection, but that’s more due to the more European style and the big rinks and the more north-south play instead of half court play."

Mark Yannetti on Adrian Kempe, selecting 29th - LA Kings Insider

Do you have any instances of our scouts/coaches projecting him to be something he hasn't turned into? I don't think anyone thought he'd be a future first line center. He's certainly a top six winger though.

 

[KINGS17]

Kempe is a very good-sized winger with a frame ready for more weight. He already has a season of SHL play behind him, made possible by his ability and willingness to do whatever the coach asked of him, taking on a primarily third- or fourth-line role. He is active in all three zones and doesn’t hesitate to use his body in many capacities. Kempe is not shy to throw or take a hit to get a job done. He has a confident mentality and is clearly knowledgeable about what he can do and where he’s going in the next few years. His mean streak and distaste for losing drive him to compete. Skating-wise, Kempe gains good speed and has a nice, fluent stride; moving well laterally. In the offensive zone he heads for the net with every opportunity and can be quite vicious in fighting for pucks in and around the goal mouth. When he has the time coming off the wing, he can lay on a heavy, precise shot. He is best when he concentrates on playing his wing in a back-and-forth lane function and being allowed to remain active there. Kempe loves to battle for pucks and often comes out of corners with them in tow. He knows how to put defenders on their heels, thus creating space for his teammates and creating good offensive attacks. He has displayed good hands and a good understanding of the game and is very coachable.

https://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/adrian-kempe/

February 2014 – Kempe has an excellent frame that moves extremely well chasing down loose pucks with an aggressive pursuit often initiating contact and engaging in puck battles with great success. His north-south style of game combines well with his strong skating stride as this power forward puts defenders on their heels with his unrelenting attack. Kempe drives the net hard and shows good puck handling ability, especially in the dirty areas of the rink.

Adrian Kempe

Widely projected as a top-20 pick, Kempe's strength is his big body and his dynamic skating ability. Scouting reports describe him as a "power winger," who is willing to throw the body and doesn't hesitate when driving the net.

Scouting Report: Adrian Kempe, C/LW, Modo (SHL)

NHL Potential: Top-nine power forward winger that can play center and powerplay minutes.

https://thehockeywriters.com/adrian-kempe-prospect-profile/

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These all seem pretty dead on if I'm being honest. Even Yannetti's scouting report on Kempe is pretty spot on for what he is:

"In terms of what type of player, he’s actually I don’t want to say a ready-made Kings player, but in terms of how we like to build the team and what we value in terms of what people call “heavy play” and “competitiveness,” those are things that are already present in his game. He has a heavy element. He borders on an elite skater. His size – obviously you took a look at him on stage if you saw him – he’s still got to fill out, but he’s going to be a very big kid, but he plays the game with purpose so it’s not just a random collection of tools. He plays the style of game we play already. I would say maybe the biggest deficiency in his game would be in terms of just fundamental puck protection, but that’s more due to the more European style and the big rinks and the more north-south play instead of half court play."

Mark Yannetti on Adrian Kempe, selecting 29th - LA Kings Insider

Do you have any instances of our scouts/coaches projecting him to be something he hasn't turned into? I don't think anyone thought he'd be a future first line center. He's certainly a top six winger though.

Sorry, I don't agree. On a contending team, Kempe is not a top sixer.

 

[kilowatt]

Sorry, I don't agree. On a contending team, Kempe is not a top sixer.

So what is he? A good middle six winger?

 

[KINGS17]

So what is he? A good middle six winger?

On a contending team, yeah I think Kempe is a third liner who can move up in a pinch.

 

[kingsboy11]

I think with Turcotte, it wouldn't be the end of the world if he stayed another season in Wisconsin. I think someone mentioned earlier in this thread, given that the Badgers didn't have that good of a season and that the NCAA limits the amount of practice time and games played in a season it might be better for him to go pro now. Not saying he should make the NHL right away, but at least go to Ontario and get some top tier minutes under our development staff.