50 goal seasons for Bedard?

[hamzarocks]

Rookie: Somewhere between 20(bust), 40 (disapoinment), 60(if hes the ONE)

Career: Somewhere between 200 (if hes a bust), 700 (if hes a disapointment), 1000 (if hes the ONE)

I need him to be better than Peak Kane/Mikita by Year 3

 

[norrisnick]

It's been over 74 since Expansion and over 80 since 1974-75.

But since you are the one that brought up league history, the 82 game season making it easier to surpass 50 goals compared to early days only supports my point.

It sure as shit isn't easier to hit 50 these days as it was in the 80s early 90s. The number of 50+ scorers needs to more than double to get to that level.

Rookie: Somewhere between 20(bust), 40 (disapoinment), 60(if hes the ONE)

Career: Somewhere between 200 (if hes a bust), 700 (if hes a disapointment), 1000 (if hes the ONE)

I need him to be better than Peak Kane/Mikita by Year 3

What disappointments...

 

[McVespa99]

Too much is made of his stature. Legit measured at 5’9.75, 185 pounds. If he has problems they won’t be build-related.

That is not necessarily true. Shorter players often take more head contact. It may be an issue or not. But stepping up to the Nhl as a smaller player can always be a problem. Not saying it will for sure. Its just an extra risk with a smaller player.

 

[Hockeyholic]

He isn't scoring 50 in his rookie season with that lineup in Chicago.

Not enough is being made of this.

Sans Bedard, every other top six forward would be 3rd and 4th liners on other teams.

Must be one of the worst rosters in recent memory

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not enough is being made of this.

Sans Bedard, every other top six forward would be 3rd and 4th liners on other teams.

Must be one of the worst rosters in recent memory

You do know that Free Agency hasn't even happened yet? They have to spend a bunch just to hit the Floor. So we should probably wait until Training Camp to determine if it's one of the worst rosters in recent memory, as right now you're just looking at a Tank Team post-trade deadline and acting like that's the team coming in.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Voted 15+, cause f*** it why not?

 

[PM88RU]

60+, so he’ll have more goals than everyone else has points, including Gretzky.

 

[Forgetful]

he's not even gonna cure cancer? what a bust

It's just him being benevolent, has to leave the lesser Connor a little something for his legacy.

 

[Regal]

You do know that Free Agency hasn't even happened yet? They have to spend a bunch just to hit the Floor. So we should probably wait until Training Camp to determine if it's one of the worst rosters in recent memory, as right now you're just looking at a Tank Team post-trade deadline and acting like that's the team coming in.

Not a whole lot in free agency though. ROR and Tarasenko likely want to go to winners, and even if Kane came back he’ll miss most of the season and likely wouldn’t be full strength until the following year. There’s guys like Zucker, Bertuzzi, Nyquist, Tatar, Killorn etc who are decent complementary players, but not really needle movers, and I’d imagine the Hawks would rather not be saddled with UFA deals to guys who will likely suck when they’re trying to compete. I imagine they’ll sign short vet deals to fill holes and potentially use to gain assets at the deadline, but I doubt they’ll be much better next year outside of what Bedard brings himself.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not a whole lot in free agency though. ROR and Tarasenko likely want to go to winners, and even if Kane came back he’ll miss most of the season and likely wouldn’t be full strength until the following year. There’s guys like Zucker, Bertuzzi, Nyquist, Tatar, Killorn etc who are decent complementary players, but not really needle movers, and I’d imagine the Hawks would rather not be saddled with UFA deals to guys who will likely suck when they’re trying to compete. I imagine they’ll sign short vet deals to fill holes and potentially use to gain assets at the deadline, but I doubt they’ll be much better next year outside of what Bedard brings himself.

Well yes they likely will not be good, but it's too early to say one of the worst ever.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Hard to say without knowing what kind of team the Hawks can put together around him. They are a barren wasteland right now, but if Korchinski pans out and he clicks with Nazar and they acquire some other elite playmaker, probably 6 or 7?

Shame they didn't keep that Kirby Dach guy

 

[super6646]

I said 15+ because I found that answer to be the most funny. If he somehow does it I’ll (hopefully) be back to say how much of a genius I was.

 

[hamzarocks]

It sure as shit isn't easier to hit 50 these days as it was in the 80s early 90s. The number of 50+ scorers needs to more than double to get to that level.


What disappointments...

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Outside of Mario and Bobby Hull, bedard should be a better goalscorer than all those guys.

He should end a better player than everyone but those two there

Like Crosby, OV and Mcdavid are

 

[blundluntman]

I mean, 10 votes for 15+ seasons of 50 goals. LOL. In his prime and as the Hawks get better and have better talent to surround him I can see him hitting 50. Probably a Brayden Point like trajectory.

Ok there's being conservative, and then there's this.

 

[Video Nasty]

....said people in this very forum about Lafreniere.

Yeah, well this forum couldn’t even see McDavid winning a Rocket, let alone dropping more than 130 points, so you’ll have to excuse me for not giving a damn about them.

 

[daver]

0 until I see his first NHL season

What a ballsy stance.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

People underestimate how hard it is to score 50 goals. It's hard to stay healthy and play at that level for a full 82 games.

I think anywhere from 5-9 is probably a good guess.

 

[centipede2233]

I understand tempering expectations because the hawks suck. but ovie rookie year he scored 52 and 106 pts, the next highest on the team was danius effing zubrus with 23 goals and 57 pts, that capitals team might actually be worse. Bedard should get 45 goals in rookie year.

 

[Regal]

I understand tempering expectations because the hawks suck. but ovie rookie year he scored 52 and 106 pts, the next highest on the team was danius effing zubrus with 23 goals and 57 pts, that capitals team might actually be worse. Bedard should get 45 goals in rookie year.

That’s a fair point. Crosby also put up big point totals with a brutal roster that year and McDavid likely would have with a healthy rookie year. True elites seem to get their numbers regardless for the most part. I think it depends a lot on whether he can consistently create space for himself as a rookie or not. Because his team won’t do it for him.

 

[Video Nasty]

He isn't scoring 50 in his rookie season with that lineup in Chicago.

Perhaps.

On the other hand, Bedard is the type of talent who will bend whoever is around him to his will.

As always, feel free to revisit this during the season. And I’m not talking about within the opening month when most of the elite “generational” are adjusting to the pros and have started “slow”.

If he’s healthy and the calendar is turning to 2024 (roughly 35 games into the season) and he hasn’t potted at least 20 goals, I’ll be fairly surprised and fall in line that he won’t hit 50 in his rookie campaign.

 

[norrisnick]

People underestimate how hard it is to score 50 goals. It's hard to stay healthy and play at that level for a full 82 games.

I think anywhere from 5-9 is probably a good guess.

I love the first line juxtaposed against the second line.

This is the list of players that have scored 50+ 5 or more times. The only active player I'd feel even remotely comfortable adding to this list is Draisaitl with his 3 current 50+ seasons. McDavid, Pasta, Matthews all only have 1 so far. They've already wasted too many opportunities to make it to 5, IMO.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I love the first line juxtaposed against the second line.

This is the list of players that have scored 50+ 5 or more times. The only active player I'd feel even remotely comfortable adding to this list is Draisaitl with his 3 current 50+ seasons. McDavid, Pasta, Matthews all only have 1 so far. They've already wasted too many opportunities to make it to 5, IMO.

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Yeah, but scoring is up, and he's not likely to run into covid. Matthews probably lost 2 50 goal seasons because of covid.

 

[norrisnick]

Yeah, but scoring is up, and he's not likely to run into covid. Matthews probably lost 2 50 goal seasons because of covid.

It's not up near enough. There were 9 50 goal scorers over the last two seasons. That's single season numbers from the 80s early 90s.

There are a great many things that can interrupt someone's accumulation of 50 goal seasons. To predict that the next 20 years are any more stable and high scoring than any other 20 year stretch in NHL history is bold.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's not up near enough. There were 9 50 goal scorers over the last two seasons. That's single season numbers from the 80s early 90s.

There are a great many things that can interrupt someone's accumulation of 50 goal seasons. To predict that the next 20 years are any more stable and high scoring than any other 20 year stretch in NHL history is bold.

Draisaitl already has 3, probably ends up with 4-6
Matthews should have 3, will probably have another 2-3 more
Ovechkin has 9
Stamkos has 2

Bedard has a ton of talent. I think it's reasonable to think he could reach 5+ 50 goal seasons, but no more than 9.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I voted 4 , its not easy to pull off