GDT: #50 | Flyers at Islanders | Friday, January 24, 2025 | 7:30 PM | NBCSP+, 93.3 FM

[ybnvs]

Meh. Tired team playing 3rd game in 4 days against a physical team that had two days off.

Not sure if you saw during mid-game, but a graphic popped up showing Flyers b2b record. 1-6-1. Now 1-7-1 after last night's loss.

I don't know how to go about searching game results of b2bs for all other teams nor will I put any effort into trying to figure out my own question, but it does make me wonder if there's more to it than just being "tired".

Would you be happier if they traded a 1st rd pick for a rental like Nelson?
Would help them score a few goals and maybe get into the playoffs.

Of course not. This season (and next season as well) isn't about winning or losing.

Trading for or signing 33 yr old players is more your style of Flyers brand, not ours.

 

[deadhead]

Trading for or signing 33 yr old players is more your style of Flyers brand, not ours.

Think I'm the most patient poster around here.
I'm not obsessed with wins and losses nor have I pushed for Briere "to do something, anything."

The reasons this isn't the same FO is trading for Nelson is exactly what Holmgren or Fletcher would do, or Hextall signing 30 year old JVR.

 

[ybnvs]

Think I'm the most patient poster around here.

I don't sit on fences. Inaction is a terrible form of action in the sports world.

 

[bennysflyers16]

4 Goals in 3 games.

SC contender though

Development, we are right there.

 

[MJL66]

Think I'm the most patient poster around here.
I'm not obsessed with wins and losses nor have I pushed for Briere "to do something, anything."

The reasons this isn't the same FO is trading for Nelson is exactly what Holmgren or Fletcher would do, or Hextall signing 30 year old JVR.

You're being completely disengenous stating that Holmgren or Fletcher would go out and trade for a rental with the team virtually having no shot at making the playoffs.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I thought Fletcher just did what he was told?

 

[deadhead]

I don't sit on fences. Inaction is a terrible form of action in the sports world.

Hockey and Baseball require patience, when you draft 18 year olds, it's going to take time to build teams.

The NFL is on 3 year cycles due to the high rate of injuries and contract terms (basically 3 year deals with termination clauses and options).

The NBA is just bizarre. The inmates run the asylum.

I'm patient as long as Briere doesn't bleed young assets.
Making deals to make deals is pointless.
He only has two assets of value, Laughton and Risto, to trade for draft picks/prospects.

Younger players are more complex, you don't want to trade Farabee or Frost for picks, that just creates the endless cycle of players entering their prime replaced by 18 year olds. You use them as major components of packages to obtain young starters who are better fits.

 

[deadhead]

You're being completely disengenous stating that Holmgren or Fletcher would go out and trade for a rental with the team virtually having no shot at making the playoffs.

No shot? 32 games left and 2 PO slots open in the East:
Bos 54, CBJ 53, Ottawa, Mon, NYR 52, Flyers 50.

A two week streak puts them into the playoffs.

If Briere thought keeping his job required making the playoffs, he'd be glued to his phone.

 

[MJL66]

No shot? 32 games left and 2 PO slots open in the East:
Bos 54, CBJ 53, Ottawa, Mon, NYR 52, Flyers 50.

A two week streak puts them into the playoffs.

If Briere thought keeping his job required making the playoffs, he'd be glued to his phone.

Virtually no shot. Their odds of making the playoffs is about 11%. You don't deal in reality. Only ifs

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[tucson83]

Hockey and Baseball require patience, when you draft 18 year olds, it's going to take time to build teams.

The NFL is on 3 year cycles due to the high rate of injuries and contract terms (basically 3 year deals with termination clauses and options).

The NBA is just bizarre. The inmates run the asylum.

I'm patient as long as Briere doesn't bleed young assets.
Making deals to make deals is pointless.
He only has two assets of value, Laughton and Risto, to trade for draft picks/prospects.

Younger players are more complex, you don't want to trade Farabee or Frost for picks, that just creates the endless cycle of players entering their prime replaced by 18 year olds. You use them as major components of packages to obtain young starters who are better fits.

thing is in hockey, you need alot of stars because you are rolling 4 fines and 3 defensive pairs you need at least 1 impact player in each line including the d pairings and goalie which you need at least 8 impact players and it's not easy to just tank for them because you need lottery luck and you have to hit on them, they cant be patrick and provy types, they have to be difference makers or else you will stuck in the lottery for a long time.

that's why the ducks, phoenix/utah hockey club and blackhawks are stuck in the lottery because they havent hit on difference makers because of lottery luck.

same thing with football, you need alot of talent to win because you have a 52 man roster, one star isnt going to change a franchise especially if your defense has nothing.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Think I'm the most patient poster around here.
I'm not obsessed with wins and losses nor have I pushed for Briere "to do something, anything."

The reasons this isn't the same FO is trading for Nelson is exactly what Holmgren or Fletcher would do, or Hextall signing 30 year old JVR.

Nobody here has pushed for Briere to 'do something, anything."

 

[Beef Invictus]

I thought Fletcher just did what he was told?

And even when he did, nothing he did was a mistake.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hockey and Baseball require patience, when you draft 18 year olds, it's going to take time to build teams.

The NFL is on 3 year cycles due to the high rate of injuries and contract terms (basically 3 year deals with termination clauses and options).

The NBA is just bizarre. The inmates run the asylum.

I'm patient as long as Briere doesn't bleed young assets.
Making deals to make deals is pointless.
He only has two assets of value, Laughton and Risto, to trade for draft picks/prospects.

Younger players are more complex, you don't want to trade Farabee or Frost for picks, that just creates the endless cycle of players entering their prime replaced by 18 year olds. You use them as major components of packages to obtain young starters who are better fits.

Again, everyone here is opposed to trading either of those two as anything but a mercy to them. Only the Flyers are the ones who've given it serious thought.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

We’re getting close to being able to hang another hard to play against banner

 

[MJL66]

We’re getting close to being able to hang another hard to play against banner

This Flyers team just oozes culture. I agree with Keith Jones. The Flyers are the gold standard of the NHL

 

[renberg]

One thing that the Flyers have as an asset is Comcast's money. To be fair, Roberts has allowed the organization the cash to put together a solid FO. Good coaches go for around five million per on four or five year deals. Hakstol got five as did AV; Tortorella is getting four.
I'd like to see the Flyers go after Denver Univertsity's David Carle and offer him what it would take to leave college and to take the reins of this bunch. All it would require is cash and a willingness to show Tortorella the door. Jones could stay since all that he is is a fluff media guy and Hilferty could go deal with corporate clients. Briere could work with Carle. The result would be an influx of modern hockey for the Flyers. Carle is going to get tapped by some organization. It might as well be here.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

One thing that the Flyers have as an asset is Comcast's money. To be fair, Roberts has allowed the organization the cash to put together a solid FO. Good coaches go for around five million per on four or five year deals. Hakstol got five as did AV; Tortorella is getting four.
I'd like to see the Flyers go after Denver Univertsity's David Carle and offer him what it would take to leave college and to take the reins of this bunch. All it would require is cash and a willingness to show Tortorella the door. Jones could stay since all that he is is a fluff media guy and Hilferty could go deal with corporate clients. Briere could work with Carle. The result would be an influx of modern hockey for the Flyers. Carle is going to get tapped by some organization. It might as well be here.

Write an email to Clarke otherwise it's not happening

 

[BernieParent]

Again, everyone here is opposed to trading either of those two as anything but a mercy to them. Only the Flyers are the ones who've given it serious thought.

Not exactly, Beef. I agreed with dead on this point and would push it further that every player not named Michkov should be considered a moveable asset to improve the roster and/or prospect pool. Our common complaint is that we have no confidence Briere and gang can properly assess players to be successful in these trades or, more importantly, work beyond issues of culture to do so.

I would much rather see Laughton/Ristolainen packaged with Frost/Farabee/other to land a player with real 1C/1D potential than to move Laughton/Ristolainen in isolation for a pick.

 

[deadhead]

Not exactly, Beef. I agreed with dead on this point and would push it further that every player not named Michkov should be considered a moveable asset to improve the roster and/or prospect pool. Our common complaint is that we have no confidence Briere and gang can properly assess players to be successful in these trades or, more importantly, work beyond issues of culture to do so.

I would much rather see Laughton/Ristolainen packaged with Frost/Farabee/other to land a player with real 1C/1D potential than to move Laughton/Ristolainen in isolation for a pick.

Colorado is a good example, Frost & Risto for Manson (salary dump), Ritchie & ???

 

[Limeyjim]

Please tell me you aren't staying up across the ocean for an Islanders/Flyers game

Yes, I did. This team is so meh, even with a phenomenal player like Michkov. I think Tort's has lost the room.

 

[ellja3]

No shot? 32 games left and 2 PO slots open in the East:
Bos 54, CBJ 53, Ottawa, Mon, NYR 52, Flyers 50.

A two week streak puts them into the playoffs.

If Briere thought keeping his job required making the playoffs, he'd be glued to his phone.

I am too lazy to update my Excel but we keep having abysmal record vs teams that are currently in .500-.600 range. We just lost vs NYR and NYI - teams in our division, 1:6 vs the one who is fighting for play-off spot, and 1:3 vs one that is so so so mediocre that if it was swept from the surface of Earth we would notice that maybe few months later.

 

[deadhead]

Yes, I did. This team is so meh, even with a phenomenal player like Michkov. I think Tort's has lost the room.

Michkov is not a phenomenal player. Maybe in 2-3 years.
Right now he plays at a 2RW level. TK is a better player, a true 1st line player.

This is not a playoff team, and the FO has no illusions.
Briere clearly ruled out adding rentals at the TDL, says they're still looking to the future.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Development, we are right there.

you dont win in todays NHL by filling the net with pucks..

 

[freakydallas13]

Think I'm the most patient poster around here.
I'm not obsessed with wins and losses nor have I pushed for Briere "to do something, anything."

The reasons this isn't the same FO is trading for Nelson is exactly what Holmgren or Fletcher would do, or Hextall signing 30 year old JVR.

You're only patient because you perceive Briere to be patient. If you thought he was hasty and dynamic you'd be pushing for that.

 

[MJL66]

Not exactly, Beef. I agreed with dead on this point and would push it further that every player not named Michkov should be considered a moveable asset to improve the roster and/or prospect pool. Our common complaint is that we have no confidence Briere and gang can properly assess players to be successful in these trades or, more importantly, work beyond issues of culture to do so.

I would much rather see Laughton/Ristolainen packaged with Frost/Farabee/other to land a player with real 1C/1D potential than to move Laughton/Ristolainen in isolation for a pick.

This is always the litmus test. If you were a team that had a young player with 1C/1D potential. Would you make one of those deals? Even if you were a contending team? I wouldn't. If I'm trading a young player with that potential to make a run, I'm shooting higher