Prospect Info: #5 OA - Barrett Hayton - Center - Back to the OHL

[Foggy1097]

I'd be a lot more comfortable with the Hayton pick if Ken Holland hadn't made it known how thrilled he was to have Zadina land in his lap despite a glaring needs on the blueline with Hughes staring him in the face. Saying that Zadina was 2nd on their board is just salt in the wound.

Ken Holland is also on his way to Bergevin and Chiarelli territory..keep that in mind. If he had any sense at all he would have taken Hughes.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

Drafts are a crapshoot, we have to wait a few years to see what happens. I am glad we didn't have a shot at Brady, other than that meh, we will have to wait and see what happens. Overall GMJC seems to be doing ok. Its not like we haven't seen the wheels fall off before anyway. GMs risk their jobs on picks like this. I would like to think that the analytics kid is just putting a mancrush smokescreen up rather than tipping our hand to our system.

 

[Yandover]

I'd be a lot more comfortable with the Hayton pick if Ken Holland hadn't made it known how thrilled he was to have Zadina land in his lap despite a glaring needs on the blueline with Hughes staring him in the face. Saying that Zadina was 2nd on their board is just salt in the wound.

Check out hfb red wings board. Earlier in the day at least ten posters gave ratings on their “happiness” number for the top potential draft picks and almost all had Hayton at 0/10. One poster has Hayton at -1/10. No one wanted him.

 

[Foggy1097]

Reads like a textbook entry at the Marc Bergevin School of Management for Guys Who Can't Trade Good and Want to Learn How to Do Other Stuff Good Too

Hahaha and now he's just ignoring good points and making it a personal attack...hey whatever floats your boat buddy. Keep ignoring logic all you want... I'll see you in 2-3 years when we're both watching lots of winning hockey. I do appreciate a good Zoolander reference though : )

 

[XX]

Check out hfb red wings board. Earlier in the day at least ten posters gave ratings on their “happiness” number for the top potential draft picks and almost all had Hayton at 0/10. One poster has Hayton at -1/10. No one wanted him.

He's a fine pick, just not at 5. I don't see how he is markedly better than someone like Robert Thomas, a guy that went 20th last year in a weaker draft. The logic here doesn't really compute. If the scenario to justify Hayton at 5 is/was/remains so plausible, why did nobody rank him inside the top 10? Everyone collectively missed a potential #1 center?

I like the kid as a prospect but I don't like the logic used to draft him or the sell job after the fact.

 

[Yandover]

The thing that I think is important to focus on here is that there are so many under appreciated things that go into winning hockey games that aren't nearly as sexy as scoring goals. They include; compete level, commitment to excellence off ice, leadership, chemistry within the room, being positionally sound, making players around you better, winning board battles, blocking shots etc. You guys have all watched playoff hockey...I think you know what I'm talking about. My guess is that Hayton checks more of these boxes than Zadina, and he can be a fairly potent offensive threat on top of all those other intangibles. We'll see how he does next year in junior as the top line go to guy. I'm sure Zadina will be a fine player...but if I had to choose between a guy that scored 35 goals and that was pretty much his only contribution, and a guy who scored 25 but checked more of those boxes I listed above...I'll take the 25 goal guy all day long.

Yeah...like the “intangibles”. I’ve been living off the intangibles for twenty years with this team.

 

[Foggy1097]

Check out hfb red wings board. Earlier in the day at least ten posters gave ratings on their “happiness” number for the top potential draft picks and almost all had Hayton at 0/10. One poster has Hayton at -1/10. No one wanted him.

That's because no one was talking about him as much. No one even knew anything about the guy. If he's not on Bobby Mack's top 10 list no even knows anything about them...

 

[ck26]

I don't like the 2C hate ... if this kid can get 60 points or he can be Jordan Staal, that's a win ... not worried that he can't get 80 or that he's not Anze Kopitar. He played a lot in SSM and they graduate a bunch of guys so he'll play a ton this year. In Chayka We Trust ...

 

[IPreferPi]

Last I checked Zadina was not a cherry picking floater in Halifax and was a cog and perpetual shorthanded threat on their PK. But if you want to revise history and paint Zadina as Yakupov just to sell Hayton as the second coming of Captain Serious, you do you, bruh.

 

[XX]

Hahaha and now he's just ignoring good points and making it a personal attack...hey whatever floats your boat buddy. Keep ignoring logic all you want... I'll see you in 2-3 years when we're both watching lots of winning hockey. I do appreciate a good Zoolander reference though : )

Your argument doesn't have any internal logic. You are justifying Hayton via Keller, when Keller would have never been taken using your logic. Instead, we'd have McLeod. Then you say Kane isn't an important player for Chicago and expect people to take you seriously. I'm not taking you seriously.

 

[Foggy1097]

Yeah...like the “intangibles”. I’ve been living off the intangibles for twenty years with this team.

I feel you brother, I do. But when it's intangibles + talent I'm stoked. When it's third line grinder intangibles I'm with you...it's disappointment. I don't think that's what we're getting.

 

[Yandover]

He's a fine pick, just not at 5. I don't see how he is markedly better than someone like Robert Thomas, a guy that went 20th last year in a weaker draft. The logic here doesn't really compute. If the scenario to justify Hayton at 5 is/was/remains so plausible, why did nobody rank him inside the top 10? Everyone collectively missed a potential #1 center?

I like the kid as a prospect but I don't like the logic used to draft him or the sell job after the fact.

The Detroit fans were rating their happiness level according to what they would like at #6 and they said they would not be happy with Hayton at that pick number.

 

[Yandover]

I feel you brother, I do. But when it's intangibles + talent I'm stoked. When it's third line grinder intangibles I'm with you...it's disappointment. I don't think that's what we're getting.

God, I hope you’re right.

 

[Foggy1097]

Your argument doesn't have any internal logic. You are justifying Hayton via Keller, when Keller would have never been taken using your logic. Instead, we'd have McLeod. Then you say Kane isn't an important player for Chicago and expect people to take you seriously. I'm not taking you seriously.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that "Kane isn't an important player for CHI." Reading is a skill, I know..we don't all have it. I said that Toews was the more important and more impactful player when it comes to their Cup wins. Which I stand by 100%.

 

[IPreferPi]

I don't like the 2C hate ... if this kid can get 60 points or he can be Jordan Staal, that's a win ... not worried that he can't get 80 or that he's not Anze Kopitar. He played a lot in SSM and they graduate a bunch of guys so he'll play a ton this year. In Chayka We Trust ...

Would you seriously still pick Staal in a redraft over Kessel, Giroux, Backstrom, or Marchand?

 

[Alberta Yote]

He's a fine pick, just not at 5. I don't see how he is markedly better than someone like Robert Thomas, a guy that went 20th last year in a weaker draft. The logic here doesn't really compute. If the scenario to justify Hayton at 5 is/was/remains so plausible, why did nobody rank him inside the top 10? Everyone collectively missed a potential #1 center?

I like the kid as a prospect but I don't like the logic used to draft him or the sell job after the fact.

I think Chayka’s ego got in the way on this one. Smartest guy, seeing something nobody else does. And the worst part is we won’t even know if he was right for 3 years.

 

[BUX7PHX]

All told, the line between greatest need and best player can blur, no doubt.

If we get the next best center, but the 5th best player available, will that really matter when we are looking at trading a 4th line center in Dvorak (with lower tier 2nd line value) for the trade deadline wing that gets us to the cup and we can get to sign an extension. All because Hayton planned out to what he is and our center lineup in three years is:

Hayton
Strome
Stepan
Dvorak
Schnarr

We have to put together all of those factors, and we may have found a hidden gem. Maybe there were more teams with this thought process behind what Hayton may become.

 

[IPreferPi]

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that "Kane isn't an important player for CHI." Reading is a skill, I know..we don't all have it. I said that Toews was the more important and more impactful player when it comes to their Cup wins. Which I stand by 100%.

Combined stats for the Hawks’ 3 SCF appearances since 2010:

Kane: 18 GP, 7 G, 9 A, 16 P, 3 GWG
Toews: 18 GP, 3 G, 8 A, 11 P, 0 GWG

 

[Alberta Yote]

Not that it matters much in the argument for this highly questionable pick but Kane is a much better player and playoff performer than Toews.

 

[Yandover]

2018 Prospect Profile: Barrett Hayton

 

[Grvmnd]

I get wanting centers since we've been starved for them since the dawn of time. But it's getting to be too much of a good thing. I'm still quite high on strome being a proper 1 eventually. Where are we going to put galchenyuk, Dvorak, stepan, strome, (is Richardson still under contract?). Ami missing others? Kruger?

 

[Foggy1097]

Combined stats for the Hawks’ 3 SCF appearances since 2010:

Kane: 18 GP, 7 G, 9 A, 16 P, 3 GWG
Toews: 18 GP, 3 G, 8 A, 11 P, 0 GWG

I know, stats look really sexy don't they? Kane is the better scorer there's no debate. Toews is the better hockey player.

 

[Foggy1097]

All told, the line between greatest need and best player can blur, no doubt.

If we get the next best center, but the 5th best player available, will that really matter when we are looking at trading a 4th line center in Dvorak (with lower tier 2nd line value) for the trade deadline wing that gets us to the cup and we can get to sign an extension. All because Hayton planned out to what he is and our center lineup in three years is:

Hayton
Strome
Stepan
Dvorak
Schnarr

We have to put together all of those factors, and we may have found a hidden gem. Maybe there were more teams with this thought process behind what Hayton may become.

Yeah I think that's why Chayka did not want to move back in the draft. They didn't want to take the risk of someone else taking Hayton ahead of them...

 

[IPreferPi]

I know, stats look really sexy don't they? Kane is the better scorer there's no debate. Toews is the better hockey player.

I wouldn’t trust your ability to determine a good hockey player any more than your non-existent ability to write at least a cogent rebuttal beyond a juvenile “neener neener, Toews is God.” But I know rational thought isn’t for everyone.

 

[Puck possession wins]

2018 Prospect Profile: Barrett Hayton

The more I read articles like this about him, and the comp to Bergeron, the more I like this pick.

The fact that he can be a number 1 PK center and the ability to score is huge.

Give him another year in the Soo to tear it up scoring wise and round out his skating, and he's going to be huge for the team when Stepan and Galchenyuk are in contract years.

Looking at the future for our center depth, it looks like this.

Strome
Galcehnyuk
Stepan
Hayton
Dvorak

Strome is going to be the number 1 center on this roster. You all can't give up on him yet, if we keep cooking him, he's gonna be insane when everything clicks.

Galchenyuk on the second line. Him and Strome 1/2 is similar to Kuznestov/Backstrom in Washington. (If he resigns)

Stepan is the veteran center who plays all situations (if he resigns when his contract expires)

Hayton (see above)

Dvorak, may have to move to the wing and could possibly be a swiss army knife, or could be the odd man out and be dealt.

With more depth to our center position, we can start to pick out wingers who can put the puck in the net, and keep replenishing the D-man pipeline.