GDT: #48 | Red Wings at Flyers | Tuesday, January 21, 2025 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 93.3 FM

[ponder719]

idk if he's been told to be more aggressive or he's just got his confidence back but Risto is playing much more offensively aggressive these days. It was nice that they got the extra point in a big 4 pointer type game.

Can't help but wonder if he's turning it up because he knows the more he shows out now, and the more he justifies a contender paying DB's price, the more chance we'll see Playoff Risto this season.

 

[kudymen]

Watching Sanheim this game, remember Briere snd Deady did everything they could to give him away.

But he also credited Tortorella for developing Sanheim a few weeks ago which is just hilarious

 

[Breeze 44]

idk if he's been told to be more aggressive or he's just got his confidence back but Risto is playing much more offensively aggressive these days. It was nice that they got the extra point in a big 4 pointer type game.

Risto has been playing well since Torts sat him early LAST season, he has given credit to the coaching staff and has said that he wished he was able to have learned under them earlier in his career. His minutes have been much higher and his overall game is a solid 3-4 Dman.. Some would rather stick a fork in their eye than admit it because it goes against the complain about everything..

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Risto has been playing well since Torts sat him early LAST season, he has given credit to the coaching staff and has said that he wished he was able to have learned under them earlier in his career. His minutes have been much higher and his overall game is a solid 3-4 Dman.. Some would rather stick a fork in their eye than admit it because it goes against the complain about everything..

He should still be traded. He's 30 years old. His age does not match up with the timeline the Flyers can compete for the Stanley Cup. I can acknowledge he and/or the coaching staff have turned him into a respectable but I don't care about him playing well enough as a 3-4 D-man just to make the playoffs.

 

[Audible Velvet]

When I watch watch Risto now, in an admittedly small viewing sample, I see the same lack of good and timely decision making that always existed. I can buy that the coaches have him playing a little better habitually, but he still isn’t anything worth keeping around.

 

[mr4tno]

After watching the Flyers last night, I have come to the sad conclusion that they are neither a good team nor a bad team. They are simply just mediocre. In their current make-up, they are not bad enough to obtain high level talent via the draft, nor are they good enough to beat the good teams on a consistent basis. The problem with this is the management group suffers from extreme Group Think. As long as they are middle of the pack, this group will always believe they are closer to a SC (cut to Jim Carrey..."so you are saying there is a chane") than to the bottom feeders (where the real talent is acquired).

When I watch watch Risto now, in an admittedly small viewing sample, I see the same lack of good and timely decision making that always existed. I can buy that the coaches have him playing a little better habitually, but he still isn’t anything worth keeping around.

According to Al Morganti, Risto is worth keeping for the "rebuild"

 

[mr4tno]

Poehling is 3 years younger than Abols.

Classic Flyers - starting a 29 yo "rookie"

 

[deadhead]

Classic Flyers - starting a 29 yo "rookie"

Richard is 28, Abols is 29, if you trade Laughton, they're good short-term patches.
Unfortunately, the younger forwards in LHV aren't ready for prime-time.
Which isn't surprising, given where they were drafted:
Tuomaala (2nd), Rizzo (7th), Gaucher (UDFA), Wisdom (4th), Desnoyers (5th), Avon (UDFA), Gendron (7th).

The best forward prospects, Jett, Barkey, Knuble, Bump, Ciernak, Berglund, Ruohonen

 

[mr figgles]

More points against bad teams. I hate this f***ing team.

 

[pooch]

Richard is 28, Abols is 29, if you trade Laughton, they're good short-term patches.
Unfortunately, the younger forwards in LHV aren't ready for prime-time.
Which isn't surprising, given where they were drafted:
Tuomaala (2nd), Rizzo (7th), Gaucher (UDFA), Wisdom (4th), Desnoyers (5th), Avon (UDFA), Gendron (7th).

The best forward prospects, Jett, Barkey, Knuble, Bump, Ciernak, Berglund, Ruohonen

That is not an exciting group of forward prospects in the least. I'm sure the D prospects are better.

 

[deadhead]

That is not an exciting group of forward prospects in the least. I'm sure the D prospects are better.

Barkey is almost 2 ppg since a slow start, 13g 1-11 12, coming off mono.
Knuble is averaging 1.25 ppg as the only serious offensive threat for Notre Dame.
Bump is now up to a ppg off a recent heater 5g 4-4 8 after a slow start.
Berglund (injured) was chosen for the Swedish WJC team, Ruohonen was solid for Finland.
Ciernak is putting up good metrics (@Appleyard) on a bad team.

No superstars in this group, but possibly some solid players, Barkey is playing at a very high level in the CHL, but concerns about size, question is how much can he fill out and can he improve his skating- we'll get a better feel next season when he's at LHV.

 

[ybnvs]

He should still be traded. He's 30 years old. His age does not match up with the timeline the Flyers can compete for the Stanley Cup. I can acknowledge he and/or the coaching staff have turned him into a respectable but I don't care about him playing well enough as a 3-4 D-man just to make the playoffs.

A rebuilding team should be very willing to accept the temporary short-term "hole" in the lineup from trading Risto in exchange for future assets.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Barkey is almost 2 ppg since a slow start, 13g 1-11 12, coming off mono.

Can't help but notice Barkey and Bonk never get the "London inflates scoring tag" like the University of Denver.

 

[flyersnorth]

I don't like the fact that when the Flyers get a power play, I kind of sag and feel like it's going to be 2 minutes of downgraded play.

 

[MJL66]

Risto has been playing well since Torts sat him early LAST season, he has given credit to the coaching staff and has said that he wished he was able to have learned under them earlier in his career. His minutes have been much higher and his overall game is a solid 3-4 Dman.. Some would rather stick a fork in their eye than admit it because it goes against the complain about everything..

Ristolainen has gone from a bad player to a reliable but still mediocre 3rd pair level defender. In Tortorella's conservative tight checking structure, he has less decisions to make. Less opportunity for his poor hockey sense to shine through. He has some value if the Flyers would be willing to retain or take back a bad contract but otherwise, is still the same player he has always been. He's just playing in a tighter, more conservative defensive first system. He has become more aggressive offensively, which is good because that has really been his most redeeming quality in his career.

 

[bennysflyers16]

When I watch watch Risto now, in an admittedly small viewing sample, I see the same lack of good and timely decision making that always existed. I can buy that the coaches have him playing a little better habitually, but he still isn’t anything worth keeping around.

Hes a 4-5 D man at best, which is much better than the 7-8 he was, but at his age and cap hit, Pack Your Shit and get out of here !

I don't like the fact that when the Flyers get a power play, I kind of sag and feel like it's going to be 2 minutes of downgraded play.

I usually leave the room or check the phone, the absolute worst part of any Flyers game.

 

[deadhead]

Can't help but notice Barkey and Bonk never get the "London inflates scoring tag" like the University of Denver.

Well, when Magua applies it to Catton and Cristall and Van Holm . . .

London is more of a team scoring thing this season, they're loaded up and down the lineup.
Usually in the CHL and NCAA it's one loaded top line (see BC).

Which raises the "Miami" question, remember when they had like 6 DL drafted high and only Wilfork turned out to be a good pro, the others looked good b/c single blocking against mediocre college OL. You have to see a player's performance in the context of their team and usage.

 

[pooch]

Barkey is almost 2 ppg since a slow start, 13g 1-11 12, coming off mono.
Knuble is averaging 1.25 ppg as the only serious offensive threat for Notre Dame.
Bump is now up to a ppg off a recent heater 5g 4-4 8 after a slow start.
Berglund (injured) was chosen for the Swedish WJC team, Ruohonen was solid for Finland.
Ciernak is putting up good metrics (@Appleyard) on a bad team.

No superstars in this group, but possibly some solid players, Barkey is playing at a very high level in the CHL, but concerns about size, question is how much can he fill out and can he improve his skating- we'll get a better feel next season when he's at LHV.

So we agree this is not an impressive list?

 

[deadhead]

So we agree this is not an impressive list?

No. This is the Fletcher effect, when you trade a 1st and (3) 2nds, you're going to be a little thin.

Even the G trade didn't help, b/c 1st got deferred to this summer and Tippett isn't a prospect. So Barkey is only player out of that deal, Bonk and Grans the players out of the Provorov deal.

The Gauthier player traded a player who is still considered a prospect for one who has "graduated."
And the 2nd won't be used until this summer.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Well, when Magua applies it to Catton and Cristall and Van Holm . . .

Not an answer. No one else is held to the standard of being consistent with me. Just me. Although the more people understand that Tony Dungy is the root of all evil, the happier I personally will be. We should try that.

By all means, if I'm inconsistent in this way, please do point it out. The idea is to get better.

 

[mr figgles]

So we agree this is not an impressive list?

He left out the crown jewel. Jett had a poor showing with the Flyers and a poor showing at the WJC and has 8 points in his last 10.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No. This is the Fletcher effect, when you trade a 1st and (3) 2nds, you're going to be a little thin.

Even the G trade didn't help, b/c 1st got deferred to this summer and Tippett isn't a prospect. So Barkey is only player out of that deal, Bonk and Grans the players out of the Provorov deal.

The Gauthier player traded a player who is still considered a prospect for one who has "graduated."
And the 2nd won't be used until this summer.

"Fletcher Effect?" You argued for years that the guy didn't make a single mistake. You ended up writing manifestos in defense of every single decision he made.

 

[pooch]

No. This is the Fletcher effect, when you trade a 1st and (3) 2nds, you're going to be a little thin.

Even the G trade didn't help, b/c 1st got deferred to this summer and Tippett isn't a prospect. So Barkey is only player out of that deal, Bonk and Grans the players out of the Provorov deal.

The Gauthier player traded a player who is still considered a prospect for one who has "graduated."
And the 2nd won't be used until this summer.

I understand all of that, but my question was about that list of forward prospects you made and asked if you were impressed by it. Apparently you are. I am not. Add in Jett and it's still not an impressive list. That's not to say I don't like Jett, I do. I would have never drafted him over Buium, but that's just me. I don't think our Forward or D prospects are very good....and when I say they aren't very good, I mean there is nothing there to get excited about. That's not to say some wont be decent or serviceable. I'm looking for guys to get us over the hump and we have none in the wings. I don't have much faith that they will make the right picks in the next draft either. I don't trust this group.

 

[freakydallas13]

Out of our entire prospect pool, we would be doing well if it yielded 3 or 4 regular NHLers. Not even impact players, just players you can play in the everyday lineup, including the 4th line or the 3rd pair.

That's how low ceiling our prospect pool is.

 

[trostol]

Not an answer. No one else is held to the standard of being consistent with me. Just me. Although the more people understand that Tony Dungy is the root of all evil, the happier I personally will be. We should try that.

By all means, if I'm inconsistent in this way, please do point it out. The idea is to get better.

you just made me think of something...Dungy built that team that won the SB..but they didn't get over the hump til they replaced him with Gruden...i wonder if the same needs to be done with Bowles