Prospect Info: 47OA: Brady Cleveland

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Yeah, at 147 this thread would have died pretty quick. This draft he waited until 144 to pick Whipple.

I don't think we're the only ones who've noticed Draper's picks (especially 2nd rounders) are putting up really low point numbers.


You keep insisting he would be around in the 100s. that just isn't accurate,, at least based on the scouting reports. Even the one report I found with him at 100, says he would go sooner.


I can't argue with that assessment of the guy. He has a high compete, is tough as nails but hands of stone and feet of blocks won't cut it. He doesn't need be fast, but he needs quicker feet. Yet, I don't even think that is his biggest challenge. For him it is all about the stick. He has to improve his puck play, which is why (barring some growing into his body magic moment of dexterity) he will need every eligible game in college and the A.
 

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You keep insisting he would be around in the 100s. that just isn't accurate,, at least based on the scouting reports. Even the one report I found with him at 100, says he would go sooner.


I can't argue with that assessment of the guy. He has a high compete, is tough as nails but hands of stone and feet of blocks won't cut it. He doesn't need be fast, but he needs quicker feet. Yet, I don't even think that is his biggest challenge. For him it is all about the stick. He has to improve his puck play, which is why (barring some growing into his body magic moment of dexterity) he will need every eligible game in college and the A.

Here's the thing.... who cares if he's not there at 100+? He's not a game breaker. Nobody would miss him if we didn't pick him. The Wings already got rid of a similar player years ago, Dylan McIlrath. McIlrath is a true heavyweight though. (And he actually played 10 games this season and currently on the roster) Why is it necessary to pick a poor man's McIlrath when the Wings could have kept the real one? No puck skill tweeners make league min.
 
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Because he has the puck handling of a goaltender. That's not going to cut it in the modern NHL. He'd fit right in to Lalonde's chip it out strategy... but that's not a winning strategy.
Obviously if he had even mediocre puck handling/offensive skills he would have been a bonafide 1st round pick with his size and physical tools.
 

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When Brady makes it to Detroit all he has to do is sit on the middle of the bench and snarl.
 

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Why is it necessary to pick a poor man's McIlrath when the Wings could have kept the real one? No puck skill tweeners make league min.
I can't believe how many times I've had to type this on these forums:

They do not draft a player with the expectation that they are and will continue to be bad at hockey. They have a different opinion of him than you.
 

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Like Brady more wiith evey passing scoreless game. Not just because he's playing pretty well on the best defensive team in the Conference and a top 10 ranked team, but the entertaining stream of nonsense from the loudest complainers. Keep it up boys!
 

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When Brady makes it to Detroit all he has to do is sit on the middle of the bench and snarl.
Remember that game that Ryan Barnes "played", but never took a shift? Pepperidge Farms remembers...

Ryan Barnes... noted 2nd round draft pick. He had a legion of fans with Barnes usernames back in the day...
 
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Here's the thing.... who cares if he's not there at 100+? He's not a game breaker. Nobody would miss him if we didn't pick him. The Wings already got rid of a similar player years ago, Dylan McIlrath. McIlrath is a true heavyweight though. (And he actually played 10 games this season and currently on the roster) Why is it necessary to pick a poor man's McIlrath when the Wings could have kept the real one? No puck skill tweeners make league min.

Come on now, I get it, you don't like the pick. That said, he is hardly a poor man's Mcllrath. I don't like the comparison at all, but he would be a rich man's version of said player. Yet, using your logic, given Dylan was drafted at #10*, getting Brady at #47 was a STEAL!

As for "Here's the thing.... who cares if he's not there at 100+? He's not a game breaker. Nobody would miss him if we didn't pick him." This could be said about any player in this group or even over #40.

As for the who cares, you draft players using rankings. Everyone here beats up any and every scouting report and all of them had the guy going before 100. Octokid said it best, who would complain about a stay at home #6 who is a fixture on the PK, makes everyone think twice about the dump and chase with him in the corner, and takes every hit he can get? Would you prefer yet another no hit, one zone, smaller winger?



* People complain about Draper's later round picks, but this guy at 10 may be worse than Zadina at 6, maybe.
 

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Here's the thing.... who cares if he's not there at 100+? He's not a game breaker. Nobody would miss him if we didn't pick him. The Wings already got rid of a similar player years ago, Dylan McIlrath. McIlrath is a true heavyweight though. (And he actually played 10 games this season and currently on the roster) Why is it necessary to pick a poor man's McIlrath when the Wings could have kept the real one? No puck skill tweeners make league min.
Yeah that's how the draft works.... they definitely knew he wasn't going to be a game breaker when they took him, and they definitely think he's going to be a poor mans Mcilrath.

They definitely werent thinking that with some time in college, he can develop and become a very useful player who also happens to be one of the toughest players in the league....
 

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One of the most bizarre draft decisions ever. I mean the guy even said he hoped to become a 6th defenceman. Stunning.

You mean a player understanding his skill set, role and worth to a team via an honest self assessment, after gaining insight from coaches and experts, then expressing it, is stunning to you?! For me, it is no more stunning that Danny DeVito saying he wasn't right for the Tom Cruise role in Top Gun.


I could post in scouting report after scouting report on the guy and they all say the same thing. I'll stick with NTDP, his role there and his role in the USHL.


“The best word I can use to describe Brady is tough,” NTDP head coach Dan Muse told The Rink Live. “He’s a crazy tough kid and if you’re ever on the ice when he is, you have to keep your head up. Whether you’ve played against him before or it’s your first shift, you find out pretty quickly who he is because he doesn’t shy away from that physical element.


“You just don’t see many kids play like he does in today’s game and when you do have someone like Brady, it impacts the entire lineup. But I think the other big thing with Brady is his play in his own end. He’s got a great stick, he kills plays, he can skate and I thought he did a really good job moving pucks up for us. Plus he was someone we trusted a lot on the penalty kill. So with all of those and his physical element, he can add a dynamic that not every team has.”

“I’ve coached against Brady for a while now and he knows his identity and plays it well,” said one opposing USHL coach. “I think his overall game has come a long way but he’s one of the better tough, stay-at-home defensemen we saw this season and he’s extremely hard to play against. I think his skill has gotten better too, but he’s a force on the back end and that’s the type of guy teams love to have back there.”

“He’s just an old-school defenseman and he’s somebody you don’t want to mess with,” added another USHL coach. “He’s really good at killing plays in the corner. He’s a good north-south skater for a big man. And he’s not afraid to block shots.”

“The physicality is his calling card and he’s done a good job with it,” said one NHL scout. “He’s a big kid, really tall, and I just remember when they first brought him up last year to the U18s he just hit everything that moved. Everybody knew he wasn’t ever going to pass up a check and I think he started off that way this year too, but he really started to evolve his game and play a more calculated role as the season went along.

“He still plays with that edge and physical style, which has gotten him to this point. But I think you saw him picking his spots more and playing a better two-way defensive game which is only going to help him going forward.”





 

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I mean, what is location, really
Realistically, he's an enforcer type. Bottom pairing, keep the flies off, etc. Seems as though the Wings like his skating and overall ability enough that they think he will be able to play a regular shift and some PK. That's the value for them.

Doesn't really seem like this pick has gone the way they've wanted, but I think it's likely he'll get time in GR in a year or two to learn on the job and see if they can make something of him.
 
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It's not all that complicated why Brady was picked where he was. There was a fair amount of pre-draft buzz about NHL scouts liking him and that he was likely to be picked in the third round, maybe higher. The Wings didn't want to wait until 73 OA to find out. As for why they would want that type of player, it was for much the same reason they picked Gibson earlier in that round, Phelan later and Anton Johansson the year before. They're loaded with skill at D and want to round out the future D corps with some big guys who can play in their own end, toughness a bonus.
 

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It's not all that complicated why Brady was picked where he was. There was a fair amount of pre-draft buzz about NHL scouts liking him and that he was likely to be picked in the third round, maybe higher. The Wings didn't want to wait until 73 OA to find out. As for why they would want that type of player, it was for much the same reason they picked Gibson earlier in that round, Phelan later and Anton Johansson the year before. They're loaded with skill at D and want to round out the future D corps with some big guys who can play in their own end, toughness a bonus.
They are?
 

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It's not all that complicated why Brady was picked where he was. There was a fair amount of pre-draft buzz about NHL scouts liking him and that he was likely to be picked in the third round, maybe higher. The Wings didn't want to wait until 73 OA to find out. As for why they would want that type of player, it was for much the same reason they picked Gibson earlier in that round, Phelan later and Anton Johansson the year before. They're loaded with skill at D and want to round out the future D corps with some big guys who can play in their own end, toughness a bonus.
It is perplexing why he was picked where he was and he shouldn't have been.... But whatever you want to tell yourself, I guess.
 
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Realistically, he's an enforcer type. Bottom pairing, keep the flies off, etc. Seems as though the Wings like his skating and overall ability enough that they think he will be able to play a regular shift and some PK. That's the value for them.

Doesn't really seem like this pick has gone the way they've wanted, but I think it's likely he'll get time in GR in a year or two to learn on the job and see if they can make something of him.
Which way did they expect it to go? The kid was not good enough to get a PP role or sizable role on a USDP team that probably was icing the worst blue line it has had in 10+ years.

Most if not all of the guys who are defensive defenseman at the NHl level usually showed some level of offense at the lower levels. This kid has never showed any offensive ability whatsoever anywhere he has played.
 

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It is perplexing why he was picked where he was and he shouldn't have been.... But whatever you want to tell yourself, I guess.
Sure, but also how many here on HF boards actually scouted this player properly leading up to the 2023 draft to have an informed opinion on his play?

I'd reckon his coaches and the staff surrounding him (and the amateur scouts) have a greater deal of insight on what made this player such a "reach"

Of course, it remains to be seen if he's NHL bottom 4D worthy or just another big D that is AHL fodder
 

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